what's the community's opinion on this?

[Draleg]

oh , who cares , if B want to be at war with A thats fine with me , if B thinks there actually hurting A and growing , i dont care , all i know is am back to doing the things i was befor the war , my income is bigger , my UP is bigger , my defence has never being bigger then now and if the mass it all away it wil take me 6 days of resorces to get back were i left off , the last attacks on me were in the first week of jan '08 so please , if B thinks there in a war they must be in a different one then i am.

B thinks they are actualy gaining respect from the public for not bowing to A , to a point this is tru , but once you dicide your going to stretch it over the limit ppl actually start to question if you really know wat your doing.

We all know ppl dont bend over to get spanked freelee ( i am talking normal ppl ) , but somtimes its better to get spanked then to get smaked in the face over and over again .

[TacticalCommander]

Doesn't look like a war too me. Seems like A has not only won, but has in fact conquered B. So A can just use B as farm. If A isn't being hurt, why should A accept a surrender from B.

B building of defenses/strikes looks nothing more than little rebellions from a conquered people who don't want to pay their taxes to A.


Since that wasn't an option I just went with A is winning.

TC

[Nigatsu_Aka]

Doesn't look like a war too me. Seems like A has not only won, but has in fact conquered B. So A can just use B as farm. If A isn't being hurt, why should A accept a surrender from B.

B building of defenses/strikes looks nothing more than little rebellions from a conquered people who don't want to pay their taxes to A.


Since that wasn't an option I just went with A is winning.

TC

I agree... damn you like read my mind.
I`d like to have you in my team at any time.

[RepliMagni]

I agree with most of your points to a degree. Here's the other side of the argument:

Okay, you have probably 30 guys who can play like normal and keep their income quite well - congrats.

However, you have 100 players who are regularly being farmed and repeatedly massed - from the five guys whose military experience I know we have farmed over 70tril naq already - and that is only from a few guys' logs.

Yes, you have some players who can play normally - but for every guy who plays normally, you have three who can't. If you act like a team and share your resources with your massed mates then you aren't playing normally - in fact, if you're helping them like an alliance should then you're effectively gaining very little of your income a week.

So in effect by massing your weaker members we're keeping your incomes down too. That is, if you're being good mates and helping them. If you're being selfish and letting them fend for themselves, then thats something you guys need to address amongst yourselves.

The thing is - we're not bored or frustrated. We have plenty to hit and can keep this up for months. You guys are chasing shadows more often than not - or turn farming us for very little naq.

Am I saying we're winning? No. Far from it. We need to be able to hit those bigger defs before we can claim any such distinction.

What I am saying is that for all you guys who think we're losing and you're safely growing behind your defs - are you helping out your mates in the lower ranks of Alpha, DDE, Omega, and almost everyone in DoC, DxM, and Pi? Cos they're the ones taking the losses with nothing to hit in return

[Memento]

well said magni

also to point out in ascension not 1 of the big players on either side hasnt been hit, all have lost alot of planets.

this thread is actually quiet funny im gonna say omega whining....yea i thinki will actually say that.

wen that thread popped up and u started heavily farming wen knew wat we were gonna do it wasnt a case of winning or loosing it was a case of fight for our alliance or surrender like we have no faith and we decided to fight.

so yea u may claim to win but we arent truelly in ti to win it we are in it to do u some damage no matter how small.

in the CIA war wen u all had no defences u claimed it was a tactic of war that it was using the dynamic of the game to ur advantage not loosing much but gaining alot through farming.....well guess wat now the shoe is on the other foot u complain saying its bad form.....this is our tactic granted we ay not have taken the 30 or so players with huge defences but u have many others in ur alliances who have lost alot and continue to loss wat they build.

i have had no1 from TO or CoTO come to me or any other leader saying this is a pointless war, or why dont we give up, nothing from any of them that shows that we are happy how we are carrying on and if u dont like it tough.

stop crying about us being at war with u and just deal with it u wanted this so i dont know why this thread was made (if admin wanted there to be clear winners in wars etc he would have implemented something by now - u know 3 years in)


EDIT - should also add to the choices -B doesnt care what A thinks

[Mordack]

If all you can hope to achieve is 'occasionally doing damage no matter how small', then I'd hardly say this can be called a war in the traditional sense. You're just an alliance of snipers or something.

[Mystake]

can we legitimately claim that B are vultures?

i mean, they aren't massing and instead are hitting for naq.

u kno... hitting someone who they normally wouldn't be able to hit.

[Asami Ayano]

No, they are not vultures, as they are the ones who massed the defense. And why wouldn't they normally not be able to hit, yet are able to hit now? Hmm, could it be because they massed away the defenses.

I'd say A is the clear winner if this wasn't such a biased view/poll.

[RepliMagni]

can we legitimately claim that B are vultures?

i mean, they aren't massing and instead are hitting for naq.

u kno... hitting someone who they normally wouldn't be able to hit.

Can we claim you're the vulture who entered the war after all TO's defs were gone and felt like some free naq?

We're hitting guys with no defs because we massed them You have some strange logic mate.

And Mordack, I'm aiming to do a lot more than the occasional bit of damage - keeping up a sustained pressure on your middle/lower ranked members will ultimately bring that pressure on to your bigger members to support them - until we can come up with something to hit your larger members directly - as you say, we need to think outside the box and come up with something more than we are doing

[Mystake]

Oh you mean you actually DID mass people?


im just playing with you guys

and its not so much that I joined the war after you were all massed, more or less that i moved on from OSL to DoC.
I'm sure you know the reason why.


also... to enter the war I might've/could've done it through OSL, or part of OE. Don't need DDE to farm you



as for keeping the pressure...
i just spent 1.5T naq buying up some covert levels ( never bought em back after I ascended).

and u know i make a very profitable farm too.

also.. as for coming up with someone to hit the larger members with
if you pooled your resources everyone else would be down by now.

[BL1P]

dont you mean alliance A,B,C,D,E,F and H,I

[Borek]

dont you mean alliance A,B,C,D,E,F and H,I

That's a good point, TO have a hell of a lot of enemies from the combined armies facing them. Seems to me that this war isn't going quite as well as side "a" were hoping. As the guys in TO have said they can mass and farm the weaker members of "a" and make good naq from them so they have little reason to quit. After all once you've been massed out and sat on what exactly can be worse?

[wmd9999]

seeing alot of alliance's A members with large defenses. alliance B should make a statement by removing the defenses of these players while also keep the mid level people down. trust me you will feel better taking down a large defense. and taking some of there planets might be a good idea. anyway good luck to A and B.

[Borek]

seeing alot of alliance's A members with large defenses. alliance B should make a statement by removing the defenses of these players while also keep the mid level people down. trust me you will feel better taking down a large defense. and taking some of there planets might be a good idea. anyway good luck to A and B.

No, i think it would be better if "a" paid to increase all their lower members defenses to the same level as the top guys, then "b" would have no option other than to take on big defenses, otherwise only a moron would waste millions of UU massing a huge defense when they have plenty of decent farms amoungst the pellets.

[dazman]

seeing alot of alliance's A members with large defenses. alliance B should make a statement by removing the defenses of these players while also keep the mid level people down. trust me you will feel better taking down a large defense. and taking some of there planets might be a good idea. anyway good luck to A and B.

No, i think it would be better if "a" paid to increase all their lower members defenses to the same level as the top guys, then "b" would have no option other than to take on big defenses, otherwise only a moron would waste millions of UU massing a huge defense when they have plenty of decent farms amoungst the pellets.

Ahh are you telling me my defense is going to but untouched during war?

If so it's not even a war for some of us. Why would we ever need to surrender if we lose nothing?