It'll never happen

[facepie]

Asia would win, Europe would suffer significant losses, and America would be dead, leaving Asia to dominate the world

[MGZ]

if the US were invaded and defeat looked probable/inevitable, the nationalism level would be high enough for the remaining population to say "we'd rather everyone else be destroyed before/instead of us" and nukes would come into play.

and, on the subject of quality for individual soldiers/pilots/etc... - let us be clear. You can argue that Europe has some better soldiers (UK, German, perhaps others), but my own nationalistic pride makes me not happy about that. still, the differences would not be like:
Europe: High
US: Low

It's more like
Europe: VERY VERY VERY VERY HIGH
US: VERY VERY VERY HIGH

just wanted to clarify, before anyone got it in their heads US soldiers/marines are no good in a fight.

[Fear Of The Duck]

one of me mates once fought a former us marine in a pub and got hammered....

[semper]

Semper, you're forgetting the most important part about this. This war, would be between the strongest allies on the planet, if it were to happen, you would be throwing everything you previously knew about the two countries out the window.

why would u be doing that? It just means if anything a war between the two would be harder because they'd both be aware of the others tactics...

[~Zekk~]

and why would they both be dumb enough to keep the same old tactics that they know the enemy knows?



~Zeke~

[semper]

You actually think this is a debate? Well lets put some key factors here:

1: America vs Europe is vague, how do you define Europe? Is Russia in the equation? Is Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and the various other eastern European/Asian countries, does Turkey count?

Lets just say Europe is the EU plus most countries within those boundaries, I.E. Removing Russia and its more eastern neighbors out of the equation.

So running of that you have the United Stats Versus the EU who's main players would be Italy, France, Germany and England. The other countries would probably be taking orders from these powerhouses, or at least their contributions would be so little in comparison its not really much of a bother to put them in, lets put them in the group called the EU jr.

Again lets be fair and remove Nuclear weapons from the equation, obviously those put a slight damper on the war seeing as it would last about a day before the literal apocalypse. Also we remove the US troops from Germany as well they'd probably be eradicated.

So now we have the EU and most of the neighboring countries versus the United States, Nuclear weapons excluded and the smaller EU states lumped into a single factor. EU Jr, so there we have it. The tables set and were ready for war.


The United States Military has the highest budget, arguably the highest technological advancements, and oh Europe's newest best fighter, which is being designed here. The United States also has a large civilian force consisting of police, national guard and local militia that literally means we can empty our soldiers out of the country and maintain control while having the defenses to defend our nation from invasion, most European countries cannot boast this. United States also has the highest missile capabilities, more and more accurate missiles then anyone on earth. In air power the United States is also once more on top, from Stealth Fighters and Bombers to their newest fighter the Raptor the United States greatest weakness would be in the quality of their land forces in comparison to Europes, as well as the Tank technology, which many European nations have quite a good tap on.

The United States would be literally able to missile every square inch of any LZ needed in Britain to begin the invasion of Europe. As I said systematic bombings by fighters unable to be seen by even the most advanced RADAR upon British cities would be catastrophic, and then unlike the Germans the US would go ahead and bomb your country side which its planes do have enough fuel to enter. With its food gone and its population demoralized the UK would not be a good time to invade, instead sit back and let relief efforts start. Every time its halfway through the US would just do it again, crushing the UK's possibility on local food, starvation will be rampant.

After a few months of this the US would do another major bombing run, Napalm and missile attacks on every major British city and farm land. The US navy would then send in our carrier groups to do battle with the English navy, once more using our superior stealth technology upon your smaller fleet to slowly destroy it. British counter attacks would be minimal, the likely hood of them surviving all the way to the US is minimal, they could destroy a few cities but never be able to reap the damage we could from bases in Iceland.

Stage one complete.

Will write more later but am bored.

As for your invasion theories there Semper. you forget while there may have been no attacks upon ENGLANDS soil the British have always had an empire, which means every war fought in Afghanistan, India, various parts of Asia count in invasions of British soil. So yes..There were of course other attacks while not invasions, a little humiliating.

erm no..lol. Your massively overestimating what the USA has on the rest of the world. Your technology is NOT that far ahead compared to the UK, in fact if you do the research properly we normally come up with the ideas, you just do the work and develop them. Its a common fact amongst most military personal I know (ranging from UK, USA, Australian take ur pick)..and I have met a very large number of them, that Europes technology does indeed exceed that of the USA.

I really have a long point to make..but ive got psychology revision..and people to talk on msn..and friends to help with work..and to be frank I cant be arsed..lol. America would lose, and if they'd be silly enough to nuke everyone as they went (soar losers) then so be it. Id survive anyway..as im ascended...

[Apadizamek]

erm no..lol. Your massively overestimating what the USA has on the rest of the world. Your technology is NOT that far ahead compared to the UK, in fact if you do the research properly we normally come up with the ideas, you just do the work and develop them. Its a common fact amongst most military personal I know (ranging from UK, USA, Australian take ur pick)..and I have met a very large number of them, that Europes technology does indeed exceed that of the USA.

I really have a long point to make..but ive got psychology revision..and people to talk on msn..and friends to help with work..and to be frank I cant be arsed..lol. America would lose, and if they'd be silly enough to nuke everyone as they went (soar losers) then so be it. Id survive anyway..as im ascended...

i.e. we have them, you don't.


Also you are forgetting my main point, The Raptor. You can't see it, you can't find it, its invisible to anyone but the United States. Even Australian Air Ministers are saying the Raptor is the greatest fighter ever built, we also have FAR superior missile technology compared to Europes.

We win, you lose.

[semper]

but you dont...stupid americans annoy me greatly. You have more missiles, NOT better missiles, you have the technology, but you dont have the best we do. You wouldnt win, you couldnt win. American tactics are a load of crud to..you would be outclassed and outnumbered if you took on europe. Not to mention we have hundreds upon hundreds of years of war experience. You have like 100 years at that.

[~Zekk~]

but you dont...stupid americans annoy me greatly. You have more missiles, NOT better missiles, you have the technology, but you dont have the best we do. You wouldnt win, you couldnt win. American tactics are a load of crud to..you would be outclassed and outnumbered if you took on europe. Not to mention we have hundreds upon hundreds of years of war experience. You have like 100 years at that.

you also cant forget that america is technically nothing but british rebels, that ran away from home and came over here and stole the land from the natives in order to hide from european rule.



~Zeke~

[~Zekk~]

because they're too busy sipping tea and watching Dr. Who.

and the americans are too busy getting fat and lazy.

so, a band of thieves are gonna start it by blowing up both countries capitals and blaming both attacks on france! nya ha ha



~Zeke~

[Apadizamek]

but you dont...stupid americans annoy me greatly. You have more missiles, NOT better missiles, you have the technology, but you dont have the best we do. You wouldnt win, you couldnt win. American tactics are a load of crud to..you would be outclassed and outnumbered if you took on europe. Not to mention we have hundreds upon hundreds of years of war experience. You have like 100 years at that.

lol going down to petty insults because you have yet to show a single plane or aerial device used by Europe that can't be detected by US RADAR.

So by your logic Egypt or iraq depending on your opinion should be the greatest powers on earth, having TENS OF THOUSANDS of war experience, because see here i was thinking that they weren't much better then third world nations. Gee my bad.

Hell we don't even need planes, we have things like the dominator when sent in with Commando/infiltration teams could cause one hell of alot of damage, especially with hellfire missiles.

We also have the MOAB (mother of all bombs) the largest confirmed non-nuclear explosive in the world. Not to mention Super Carriers, Microwave Weapons, State of the art space imagery, the LRAD which literally overcomes your threshold of pain through sound, the list goes on and on, deal with it, your technology would be second rate without us, hell you wouldn't even have Nuclear Technology. Almost every single one of your advanced military technologies have come from co-operation with the US. Deal with it.

[MGZ]

I say we should keep Britain on the out of Europe for this one. The UK has a recent history of avoiding some of the more integration focused efforts of the EU (like the common currency of the Euro). so let's take a somewhat more realistic approach.

EU countries (not including UK) officially band together as one country and eliminate borders between themselves entirely. This new EU-as-a-country decides to forcibly incorporate the UK. Brits starting preparing for and fighting this war, looking to the US for support. US, seeing its strongest (militarily and diplomatically) ally being attacked, mobilizes its armed forces (assuming a hypothetical future w/ plenty of r&r after a middle east withdrawal) and sends them to help out the UK.

Epic warfare, 21st century D-day, US and UK win.

[noone]

EU would use Tok'ra tactics >.>

They'll blow up every KFC, macdonalds, etc .... causing massive demoralisation and starvation in the US.

[MGZ]

I find that offensive.

EU would use Tok'ra tactics >.>

They'll blow up every KFC, macdonalds, etc .... causing massive demoralisation and starvation in the US.

it only serves to show how [Spacey edit out] you are.

[noone]

I find that offensive.

EU would use Tok'ra tactics >.>

They'll blow up every KFC, macdonalds, etc .... causing massive demoralisation and starvation in the US.

it only serves to show how prejudiced and small-minded you are.

Riiiiiight .....

I gues your reply shows rather how uptight you are ? ... you have an Macdonalds and KFC problem or something ?