Does God exist?

[~Zekk~]

The answer to your question is 'No'
Atoms can neither be created nor destroyed they can only be transfered from different types of energy to an other type,
kinetic > gravitational
There is no beginning nor no end of the universe if god was real then there would have to be a beginning to the universe and he would of had to create it, and it is physically impossible for god to survive the only way for that to be possible if he was alive in a paradox or parallel universe. but that would mean he isn't 'all powerful nor all knowing' so he wasn't the the answer is 'NO' the definition of god is that he is supernatural, and all knowing, i.e a superhuman
sorry for not writing it out properly but im too tired and im ill but in a few days ill write my whole theory out
hope you enjoy reading it, it probably doesn't make sense but in my head it does,

regards

LH

Well, to be fair, in no religious text I've ever read has god claimed to create the universe. Only Earth and its inhabitants. He also says that he always has been and always will be, or something like that. So what you just said kinda makes sense.

Also, how can you prove that THIS is not merely a pocket universe, a small part of the true universe that is outside this one. Kinda makes ya wonder about alot of things, don't it?

You can second guess yourself 99.9999999999999...% of the time without batting an eye. is this reality real? Am i really just in a coma and this a dream? Am i just dreaming? is this some test to see if i am a good person in front of god?

You have to base assumptions on what people have proved to be right.

But are those people real?

[Thor God Of War]

The answer to your question is 'No'
Atoms can neither be created nor destroyed they can only be transfered from different types of energy to an other type,
kinetic > gravitational
There is no beginning nor no end of the universe if god was real then there would have to be a beginning to the universe and he would of had to create it, and it is physically impossible for god to survive the only way for that to be possible if he was alive in a paradox or parallel universe. but that would mean he isn't 'all powerful nor all knowing' so he wasn't the the answer is 'NO' the definition of god is that he is supernatural, and all knowing, i.e a superhuman
sorry for not writing it out properly but im too tired and im ill but in a few days ill write my whole theory out
hope you enjoy reading it, it probably doesn't make sense but in my head it does,

regards

LH

Just so you know, matter can be destroyed. It is energy that cannot be created of destroyed. If you don't belive me check the first law of thermodynamics. Anywho the basic problem is here that noone is able to define god in such a sense that it is universally recognised.

[~Zekk~]

Anywho the basic problem is here that noone is able to define god in such a sense that it is universally recognised.

I could, but in order for everyone to understand it I would have to explain a bunch of other things. It'd take about 3 or 4 pages worth of fully maxed word limit posts before I'd be done. But since I'm lazy and most of you won't care, I'm not gonna do all that.

[Skunky]

HAHA or GOOGLE IT

[~Zekk~]

The problem with googleing it is most of the things you find will be religion biased. I don't base my definition of God on religion, but rather a bias free semi-scientific view. Meaning I'm neither scientist nor "believer", I'm something kinda in between.

[Skunky]

The problem with googleing it is most of the things you find will be religion biased. I don't base my definition of God on religion, but rather a bias free semi-scientific view. Meaning I'm neither scientist nor "believer", I'm something kinda in between.

try wikipedia

[~Zekk~]

If you actually look at the wiki for God, you'd realize how silly that recommendation is... At least, considering were talking about a non-biased universal "definition" of s/he/it.

[Skunky]

only a suggestion out of curiousity wat did it say ???

[~Zekk~]

God most commonly refers to the deity worshiped by followers of monotheistic and monolatrist religions, whom they believe to be the creator and overseer of the universe.[1]

Theologians have ascribed a variety of attributes to the various conceptions of God. The most common among these include omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity, jealousy, and eternal and necessary existence. God has also been conceived as being incorporeal, a personal being, the source of all moral obligation, and the "greatest conceivable existent".[1] These attributes were all supported to varying degrees by the early Jewish, Christian and Muslim theologian philosophers, including Augustine of Hippo,[2] Al-Ghazali,[3] and Maimonides.[2] Many notable medieval philosophers developed arguments for the existence of God,[4] attempting to wrestle with the apparent contradictions implied by many of these attributes. Philosophers have developed many arguments for and against the existence of God.

Hm, maybe "existence of god" is better suited for this...

Arguments for and against the existence of God have been proposed by philosophers, theologians, and others. In philosophical terminology, "existence-of-God" arguments concern schools of thought on the epistemology of the ontology of God.

The debate concerning the existence of God raises many philosophical issues. A basic problem is that there is no universally accepted definition of God. Some definitions of God's existence are so non-specific that it is certain that something exists that meets the definition; in stark contrast, there are suggestions that other definitions are self-contradictory.

Arguments for the existence of God typically include metaphysical, empirical, inductive, and subjective types. Arguments against typically include empirical, deductive, and inductive types.

Although once regarded as a non-issue in much of western academia, the question of the existence of God is now subject to lively debate both in philosophy[1] and in popular culture.[2]

Either way, wiki doesn't have the answer your looking for. Though, it is at least not as biased as some other sites...

[Skunky]

nice work
wonders what your explanation will be like

[unseen1]

Its not to ask ourselfs if there is god but rather to ask ourselfs why we have this conversation.

Imagine few generations being raised up with presidents swaring on constitution,on sundays going by riverside not churche,changing chanels and never ever hear a word GOD not to mention all those preachers.Imagine a hole generations of people raised up without word fraze god-fear.Imagine if god would be just something from stories(like Jupiter is today).If he would be just a dead myth like RA is....Imagine...

Would we still be having this debate?

Well its not "sin" to have a dream.

[vinny d]

Perception is reality. To some God exists. To some God does not exist.
People believe and people do not believe. Even if 'Science' debunk God some people will still perceive God as existing.

There is no concrete way to prove God does or does not exist. It is what you choose to believe.

"Knowledge has been frequently described as ``justified true belief," a belief held by an individual that is both true and for which they have some justification. Thus, for a belief to be knowledge, it must be the case that the belief is, in fact, true, and the believer must have justification for the belief. A belief that is true but for which we have no evidence cannot be described as knowledge. If there are homunculi inside computers performing operations, those who have long believed in their presence cannot be said to have had knowledge of this, since their belief, while true, has never been justified (we assume.)"


If you believe God's exist and can logically say God exists then it is Knowledge.

An example of a Logical conclusion

God Created Me
I am alive
To create life you must be alive
Therefore God is alive.

[Fear Of The Duck]

OMG! youse are productive here...
i'm not in the mood to read this all so i'll only answer semper:

read carefully what i said: God cannot be limited by the laws of logic. you kinda limited Him by them, so you've logically came to the conclusion that He cannot exist.

religion on it's own is not a way to control the masses. IDEOLOGY (any ideology) is. so religion is harmless untill someone has an ideological attitude towards it.

[semper]

read carefully what i said: God cannot be limited by the laws of logic. you kinda limited Him by them, so you've logically came to the conclusion that He cannot exist.

I said he could exist, but only by means far beyond anything we could ever comprehend, but the natural laws of our own language prevent God from existing.

The ultimate problem, as with everything, is language. Language is, in the end, insufficient to ever properly explain a deity such as God. So if you want to accept the idea of God properly, then you have to admit that language is crud, ergo the bible, most of our beliefs etc etc..are, language based and by extension flawed. So its one or the other. For people like me, and many others, who want to do away with religion then God can be a possibility..but like I said..far beyond our comprehension if it exist's.

[semper]

Perception is reality. To some God exists. To some God does not exist.
People believe and people do not believe. Even if 'Science' debunk God some people will still perceive God as existing.

There is no concrete way to prove God does or does not exist. It is what you choose to believe.

"Knowledge has been frequently described as ``justified true belief," a belief held by an individual that is both true and for which they have some justification. Thus, for a belief to be knowledge, it must be the case that the belief is, in fact, true, and the believer must have justification for the belief. A belief that is true but for which we have no evidence cannot be described as knowledge. If there are homunculi inside computers performing operations, those who have long believed in their presence cannot be said to have had knowledge of this, since their belief, while true, has never been justified (we assume.)"


If you believe God's exist and can logically say God exists then it is Knowledge.

An example of a Logical conclusion

God Created Me
I am alive
To create life you must be alive
Therefore God is alive.

You must remember though, that if your going to use JTB, you have to extend further into the meanings of True (a real big one, what is truth? Is it an idea supported by our perception? Surely not...) and Justified...not as big, but if you use loop holes from 'truth' and apply them to justification, you can have problems.

Your original thoughts were with merit though.. Perception and reality. I personally have long wondered a long those lines.. If perception is reality, then perception is nothing without belief and the mind (as perceptions need something to make sense of them, otherwise they have no meaning and are random and utterly useless sense data.) So if perception and the sense we make from it are reality, then what about when we are deceived? What about when we hallucinate? Could the things others dont see be real, what is real?

Go on then anyone and everyone...please expand.