remove 500 bill farm limit

[geisha]

If I remember correctly the attack limit of 500 billion maximum per 15 attack turns was implemented to stop cheaters ages ago.

I believe the exploits have been removed by now and now that limit doesn't really make much sense any longer.

At the rate the game is growing, many people will soon be at a point where farming is no longer profitable when the maximum you can take is 500 billion. Defences are getting higher and higher and so people will have to build huge strike actions to even beat them. Their losses in repairs and UU will soon be higher than 500 billion naq.

Could someone bring that up at the next admin meeting? I normally can't attend them.

[Heisenberg]

Ill ask Admin on The wednesday meeting on IRC chat if you want?

Thanks
Shuggy123
King-N00b

[Clarkey]

Yeah I'm all for this.

[Juliette]

Me 2.

[Iƒrit]

makes sense.

I have a question for you guys, is the meeting for anyone to attend? Or do you have to be invited?

[bigcakes]

I'm for it even though i would never be able to hit for it but it does make sense for the big players.
kbye
john

[Juliette]

I have a question for you guys, is the meeting for anyone to attend? Or do you have to be invited?

Free to attend for everyone (capable of presenting their case in short terms is a benefit as Admin listens to those somewhat more than to lengthy exposes, which are particularly hard to convey on IRC), Wednesdays. IRC channel is #theplace.
Exact times I do not know.. it's been a while since I last attended.

[Chris M]

makes sence indeed

[Skunky]

I have a question for you guys, is the meeting for anyone to attend? Or do you have to be invited?

Free to attend for everyone (capable of presenting their case in short terms is a benefit as Admin listens to those somewhat more than to lengthy exposes, which are particularly hard to convey on IRC), Wednesdays. IRC channel is #theplace.
Exact times I do not know.. it's been a while since I last attended.

IRC, cool i might attend just to see what it is like then if i have something to say and present i will know how to say it in the correct manner that it is considered.

ps. the idea is good for the game growth even though i am not quite there just a tad off with the 5 trill strike;)

[Wolf359]

I'd actually be against removing the limit - because, once again, the only people it benefits are those with the best accounts.

If someone has 800 billion out, then currently it costs at least 30 turns to get that 800 billion - and the chances are that you'll only ever have a chance of getting it if you have one of the best accounts, as it's highly likely the person with it out also has one of the best.

All removing the limit will do will allow the best accounts to farm even more, and won't benefit the smaller ones in anyway.

People always use the 'at the rate the game is growing' card with suggestions like this, but if implemented, this would simply increase that rate further and widen the gulf between accounts.

[dead solid]

the huge one thats already their ^^ *points to S T I's army size* lewl

[GeneralChaos]

I'd actually be against removing the limit - because, once again, the only people it benefits are those with the best accounts.

If someone has 800 billion out, then currently it costs at least 30 turns to get that 800 billion - and the chances are that you'll only ever have a chance of getting it if you have one of the best accounts, as it's highly likely the person with it out also has one of the best.

All removing the limit will do will allow the best accounts to farm even more, and won't benefit the smaller ones in anyway.

People always use the 'at the rate the game is growing' card with suggestions like this, but if implemented, this would simply increase that rate further and widen the gulf between accounts.

You know what, for awhile i supported the small accounts, but you CANNOT hold back the growth of the game for the small accounts, hell go look at ascended for what happened when admin slowed the big guys down and let the small guys catch up ( ascended = nerfed )

The limit for 500bill needs to be raised, if your concerned that someone could still cheat them make the new limit 1Trill, or 2Trill.

There is no reason a new player cant grow fast, ZAYA who joined the game in Dec had a 148mill army in 3 months from raiding alone, so don't tell me it cant be done, people just use the small players excuse because there to lazy to grow, or try to grow, get real, the days of having a 20k UP total are long gone.

[Wolf359]

You missed my main point - in that the only reason the game has been continually growing faster and faster is because of updates that have been implemented because a minority of people scream for them, without properly considering the longer term consequences - and the main reason they scream for them is because they can't be bothered to actually think about the consequences of how they use their accounts resources; they just want everything made easier.

It is funny how when the superiority of the bigger accounts is threatened, a suggestion is made that would enable them to attack for more and grow faster than the smaller accounts, and thus re-establish their superiority.

Is it really that much of a burden to the big accounts to use 30 turns to steal 800 billion, rather than 15? Is it going to break their bank to use 30 turns instead of 15, considering they can apparently steal 500 billion per hit?

I think not - particularly when you consider that AT, the life-blood resource of the game is auto-generated in the market, and there is an unlimited supply!

But, if this suggestion was to be introduced, then to counter-balance it auto-generated AT should be removed from the game completely! They should never have been introduced in the first place and are the main cause for a lot of teh games problems, and part of the reason that the current suggestion is being suggested now. AT will still be tradeable in the market, but the only AT in the game would be those generated by player accounts.

[GeneralChaos]

If you take out the auto generated turns the market crashs, people get bored and leave, the small guys will never grow, as they will never beable to afford the turns.

The way admin currently has it set up, is that someone with a say 800bill def, gets hit with a 2trill strike, the person with the 2trill strike loses way more UU and repair costs than the smaller person, which is set to stop bigger guys hammering them, but on the flip side it also makes it not cost affective,

How many people do you really thing will be hurt by an update to raise the cap of naq taken, ( it was never introduced to stop farming, but to stop guys who cheated naq in the game ) this bug has been patched thus the cap should be removed, there are not that many people in the game that will ever have 500bill + out, but sometimes you find onee,

The game is without a doubt stopping the people who put time and effort into the game from growing, to allow the small guys to catch up, but all they want to do is sit there with a 20k up, and a 10mill army, and expect to catch a 150-250mill army, if you dont put the time in, you get left behind end of story.

Stop slowing the game down for those who play it.

[dardar]

both arguemnts r good. i can see a meaning to having the limit and not having the limit. mabey the limit should stay for a lil longer. until theres more ppl with 500bil out. like u said not many ppl do hav 500bil out anyways.