The view over the fence

[S T I]

after reading over some of the passed events here & in the GC, I found it very amusing to reflect on the past.

once upon a time there was an allinace called Omega (yep i was in it) we ruled the universe, we had some very good friends EPA, together we loved to war, but things changed, people joined, they used the omega label to mass/attack people, there was alot of other stuff going on as well.

But because Omega was a very proactive alliance, always looking to take on more, to hit b4 being hit (as we were the ones to be taken down) things got muddied up, massings for good reasons got lost in the massing for no reasons, same as alot of the other stuff.

accusations of Omega controlling ADMIN

remember the i hate Omega threads (at one stage all but 2 threads in the entire forum (gen+GC) was about Omega).

then we had the CIA/COP war to rid the game of these tryants

now look where we are with the TLE

do you attack them ?
why not, is it because of the same thing with Omega, you would get massed

do you get random massings?
same as Omega

do they farm you but again you are not allowed to moan or you get massed?
same as Omega

have they got people in their ranks who you dislike who use the tag to bully people?
same as Omega

I could go on & on, but i am sure others will add a lot more the same stuff

Now the CIA was surposed to change stuff,

well yep it has, as far as i see

yep power corupts,

but i do have praise to some people in all this, TA, they kept their standards, they did not become what they fought against, there was indeed other aliances who did as well & i apoligise for not memtioning you all.

But i know there must be a few in the TLE who must wonder what is going on.

Jeff (S T I)

[Lajh]

you got much to learn, Mr. Jeff(STI)

[Taxxy]

Few months too late with that post mate, brave to put it out there

[HellFire]

You'll find the ones who, if you farm and then you get massed by the alliance, are also just the ones hiding behind the TAG.

I'd like to point out, Omega was never -evil-, in that sense of the word. The ability to rule the 'verse how you want to isn't evil. It's a game, and Omega played it as such. Many viewed that as unfair. Can't see why. And now that another alliance has realised this, people start to complain.

We play it like a game, a game where the players can play how they want to. There are very different types of players. Bar cheating, or scammers, I don't think one person has the right to put down another.

~HellFire

PS. DDE? Didn't think that was your cup of tea.

[Teal'auc of the Void]

So true, Jeff... and TLE, at the top of all demand outrageous reparations from alliances they defeat. So far, as I am aware, they did it to two alliances.



Teal'auc

[Mordack]

Did TLE ever claim to be holier than thou?

I think a lot of people were 'disappointed' with TLE, if you want to use such a coarse term, because they had strange ideas and expectations about what TLE was going to be like and how the game was going to function in the aftermath of the CIA/COP war. If these people want someone to 'blame', then they need only look in the mirror and realize how ridiculous some of their preconceived notions were, because TLE really hasn't done anything wrong.

I'm going to have to call Hellfire on his point about Omega not being evil, though. Shame on you for thinking such a thing.

[Mato]

So true, Jeff... and TLE, at the top of all demand outrageous reparations from alliances they defeat. So far, as I am aware, they did it to two alliances.



Teal'auc

Which ones if I may ask?

[SVaRuN]

I see it diffrently though Jeff


- TL came into a hostile place...and TL was prepared. TL did not fight the war for the reason you mentioned...reather ppl used the oprotunity to achieve their own goals which at the time for a lot of ppl was the demise of COP. TL in return couldnt just leave them but fight with them till the end...

- Also few know there was a pact before that war...a pact which clearly stated that if COP is to gang upon a single alliance others will come in...
Meaning things could very well be diffrent if instead DDE,omega as DD only one of them would chose to attack the "almighty" TL at that time "huge" alliance of over 10 ppl

- After it ended NAPs were made to prevent the same war from happening again...Since you do war hopefully most of the time for some just cause...(or at least you think you are)
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Comparing:

You gave examples of superpowers and effects and light ppl see them...but Jeff I believe you didnt go into the jist of things.
Omega and TLE are in fact quite diffrent not only in their internal policy but in their external also...
Its up to individuals to decide whats true and whats not


All is valid in the end...your opinion is that TLE and OMEGA are quite diffrent and that as it is things are the same...as they were back then and perhaps for some ppl they are. For some ppl they are not.

I was a member of omega long before you came in STI I made my mistakes and cause of them I am still (by my word ) wrongfully on a certain list...
The effect of the list is in fact this...TLE
My sgw career was interesting but somewhat heavily marked with omega. I was always playing with friends...and I liked playing within alliances...but all my friends who were in alliances were at the time in COP alliances...and my applications to that alliances were VETOed by one alliance in COP only and that would be omega...the reason is well known but thats beside the point...the point is...because omega disabled me the option to play with my friends(not that they were doing it on purpose) in that way which is perfectly understandable considering how they saw/see me...I was forced either to search for alternative or stop playing sgw cause playing it otherwise didnt present joy for me.
So from that idea TL was born and concesecutively TLE...


- if we look it from that point omega is to blam for the creation of TL- TLE
- its natural what TL - TLE thought was good in their structure was adopted
- Cause of the gap between founders and omega itself surely there should be a lot of things that were/are diffrent between the two




But thats just looking it from one of bills of possible perspectives...



I dont think we are better then other alliances and I agree we have our flaws...TLE as omega





Blue

[blahh]

ya i use my superb tag, to hide, to create havoc but than hide from consequences of it
thus

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i dont get attacked at all...

Though to agree on a point with you, there are similarities between OE and TLE, they were never denied, like mordy pointed out. Infact Svarun and me said on several ocasions that TL was originaly designed based on Omega, with its differences.

What are those differces? Ppl who know us, know them, those who dont, aperently dont. Guess in which category you fit in

[sarcasem]
Its like history, Rome took lots from the greeks, only made it better
[/sarcasem]

[bebita]

ya i use my superb tag, to hide, to create havoc but than hide from consequences of it
thus

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118 attacks total | page 1 of 4


i dont get attacked at all...

Though to agree on a point with you, there are similarities between OE and TLE, they were never denied, like mordy pointed out. Infact Svarun and me said on several ocasions that TL was originaly designed based on Omega, with its differences.

What are those differces? Ppl who know us, know them, those who dont, aperently dont. Guess in which category you fit in

[sarcasem]
Its like history, Rome took lots from the greeks, only made it better
[/sarcasem]

sshht blahh
i still remember about your threats
is nice to have propganda and behind to use other think
but stil you are a guy who use alliance word
maybe to much what i winn if i do that

[Severian]

Few months too late with that post mate, brave to put it out there

I'd argue that it was just in time.

In Theory, If I was Prepping for war against an opponent, I would:

• Learn the lessons of the past and try to expand to gain the advantage of numbres for both weight of numbers in attack and the fact there are more accounts meaning less stress on the defensive.
  
  
• Then I would go about trying to discredit the enemy, its leadership, make public threads trying to condem them in public or satirise them to both tarnish its name and give non affiliated people false confidence and grounds to stand up and keep up said pressure.
  
  
• Then I would go about recruiting members who hold grudges against said opponents to the extent of allowing questionable alliances to join or merge, meaning members don't require any indoctrination to fight and give loyalty through the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
  
  
• Then I would go about returning public figures and confidence on forums and information mediums after a long period of absense to make your presence known and in the minds of the people.
  
  
• Next would be extending a NAP for a shorter time then ever before under the guise of a stable friendship, giving plenty of time for spies on main and ascended, cataloguing planets, play times as well as building up resources, stockpiles and working out which players would focus on which aspect, target priority and other long term detailed planning.
  
  
• After that I would remember the past and the war winning advantage of public support and so go for the moral highground to try and win the people over. This is to ensure I don't have to worry about extra opponents and may even rally more alliances and members to my banner, but more importantly prevent others joining the enemies again.
  
  To do this I would be very selective in making public threads by a known "respected and neutral" player exactly 1 month before a NAP ends [so long enough for it to remain in the minds of the public but not too soon as to be obvious] and use predicate logic with implications via association to my old crimes to turn the moral tables and portay the enemy as immoral and unworthy of standing up for while creating the foundations of righteousness and that it is the people's fault for not doing anything about the enemy that things are the way they are.
  
  
• Finally, I would neglect to mention the idea or notion that if my enemy were disposed of, I would be the single most uncontested superpower far more advanced and ahead of any other alliance, especially since my traditional enemies are all but liquidated. Nor would I say that I'd Scam Scammers and think it acceptable, would threaten admin That I'd abuse every single bug and exploit if accused of being a cheater thinking it acceptable because you'd be only cheating to get the cheaters. But most of all I'd not say I was trying to emulate my enemy in it's ability to drum up support and friends to make a stand against a rival power.

This is all purely a hypothetical analysis of a hypothetical situation of two hypothetical superpowers of course. Not that any of it has happened or more noticable when the ideas have been brought up in public

[JediMasterX]

Jeff, people are always striving to be like Omega, this is another example

[Mordack]

Can I just say how much I loved Severian's post?

[GunniH]

Can I just say how much I loved Severian's post?

Permission granted

~Gunni

[blahh]

sshht blahh
i still remember about your threats
is nice to have propganda and behind to use other think
but stil you are a guy who use alliance word
maybe to much what i winn if i do that

now i we just about had it with your "tardedness"... yes i said it... you aperently have a deminished capabilitiy of comunicating and understading what others say. ban me for it if ya want to

I m guessing you are AGAIN refering to the time i hit you 1x on ascended, and you started yapping about 1on1 on ascended over it.

And i tried to explain 3x in that convo (i belive nightmare was there with us and he can confim)
That i have no problem with me going solo versus some1, but i wont be going against only just you, but your alliance too(no idea what alliance it was at that time), considering you are about 5min work and your alliance would give me some more aditional fun than just the 5min.

I also said i dont feel like being limited to ascended only, considering you cant realy impact a person there, but will do battle both in main and ascended.

After that you called me a tag abuser and that i cant fight without my own alliance. japa japa japa

Now go and reread this post 10x, than point out to me where in the name of lord, can you call ME alone going aginst your alliance as a whole, TAG abuse.


dam tardedness