The view over the fence

[bebita]

yeah
you are much ahead
butt eee
is always place to come from behind
i don't read 10 times your post even if i understand only some
yes indeed not accepting 1 vs 1 war and treath a whole alliance is still behind a tag thing
named whatever you want
i know you like to view things in your way buttt
not everyone is obligated to have your gameplay
for me
you are behind a word
alliance
true
you build something real nice there
but still the methods are not in a nice way after my view
the guys who are not behind alliance tag are without alliance
this the cruel reality

[blahh]

tard, no other word i can think off

[bebita]

tard to be

[blahh]

i think i actualy need a new sig sayn the folowing:

bebita: a point in time-space where IQ meets pH


any1 up for the job?

[Brdavs]

Back to the topic of how TLE is naughtier and just as bad as the usual resident school bully (and how the grass is greener on the other side of the fence heh?) you two!

[RobinInDaHood]

"I blame Omega" has a much nicer ring and flows better off the tongue than "I blame The Legion Empire" or "I blame TLE", although I'm willing to concede that familiarity may be at work. Omega is still evil but they've lost some of their more obnoxious and vocal members who, like it or not, added texture and character to the game experience.

The "TLE is the new Omega" is a self limiting problem. If TLE becomes burdensome and top-heavy to a large portion of the server as Omega once did, there will be a new great uprising and a changing of the guard.

There is a German proverb that says: "A great war leaves the country with three armies - an army of cripples, an army of mourners, and an army of thieves."

[311 [TA]]

i will refrain from commenting on the other 99% of the post

but the 1% that gave kudos to TA, I will say thank you

all i know is the next big major server war, if and when it happens

will be one damn interesting fight

[Teal'auc of the Void]

Which ones if I may ask?

Ascended Empire - paid you how much?
The Triad - doesn't matter you canceled the demand, it was origianlly there and even reason for massing them was lame... ^_^



Teal'auc

[Mato]

Which ones if I may ask?

Ascended Empire - paid you how much?
The Triad - doesn't matter you canceled the demand, it was origianlly there and even reason for massing them was lame... ^_^



Teal'auc

it happens

[blahh]

only now read the balor thread, as my bloodpreasure droped slightly...

and as always kudos mate, you know how to hit a nail

[S T I]

I see it diffrently though Jeff


- TL came into a hostile place...and TL was prepared. TL did not fight the war for the reason you mentioned...reather ppl used the oprotunity to achieve their own goals which at the time for a lot of ppl was the demise of COP. TL in return couldnt just leave them but fight with them till the end...


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Comparing:

You gave examples of superpowers and effects and light ppl see them...but Jeff I believe you didnt go into the jist of things.
Omega and TLE are in fact quite diffrent not only in their internal policy but in their external also...
Its up to individuals to decide whats true and whats not


All is valid in the end...your opinion is that TLE and OMEGA are quite diffrent and that as it is things are the same...as they were back then and perhaps for some ppl they are. For some ppl they are not.

I was a member of omega long before you came in STI I made my mistakes and cause of them I am still (by my word ) wrongfully on a certain list...
The effect of the list is in fact this...TLE
My sgw career was interesting but somewhat heavily marked with omega. I was always playing with friends...and I liked playing within alliances...but all my friends who were in alliances were at the time in COP alliances...and my applications to that alliances were VETOed by one alliance in COP only and that would be omega...the reason is well known but thats beside the point...the point is...because omega disabled me the option to play with my friends(not that they were doing it on purpose) in that way which is perfectly understandable considering how they saw/see me...I was forced either to search for alternative or stop playing sgw cause playing it otherwise didnt present joy for me.
So from that idea TL was born and concesecutively TLE...


- if we look it from that point omega is to blam for the creation of TL- TLE
- its natural what TL - TLE thought was good in their structure was adopted
- Cause of the gap between founders and omega itself surely there should be a lot of things that were/are diffrent between the two




But thats just looking it from one of bills of possible perspectives...



I dont think we are better then other alliances and I agree we have our flaws...TLE as omega





Blue

we know each other so well, we put together one of the best strike teams in Omega, (oh didn't you whine then "about your loses" )
.
the point i was making is the people who expected the change from you, yes there are differances TL & O but its still the same result what ever way you want to dress it up

must feel that it is the same old story, tryants, eveil people, bullies, etc etc.

The game is hear to be played in many ways, each to there own.

its just mine & a few others, including in your alliance that its the ar##h###s who hide in these alliances & use the tags to bully the others who play differant ways.

as for your leaving your omega home, speak to me either on msn or pm, its not for general discussion imo.

@Blahh
We have spoken quite a few times & over a very long period (to long )
for you to have even throught this was aimed at you was unthinkable

Quote Blahh

ya i use my superb tag, to hide, to create havoc but than hide from consequences of it
thus

Attacks on You (last 10 days)

118 attacks total | page 1 of 4


i dont get attacked at all...

Though to agree on a point with you, there are similarities between OE and TLE, they were never denied, like mordy pointed out. Infact Svarun and me said on several ocasions that TL was originaly designed based on Omega, with its differences.

What are those differces? Ppl who know us, know them, those who dont, aperently dont. Guess in which category you fit in

[sarcasem]
Its like history, Rome took lots from the greeks, only made it better
[/sarcasem]

This is the second time in a short time space you have misjudged me,

me thinks you have been playing RP to much & are not returning to RL to the sound guy i know you are,

@Hellfire,

DDE is a great place, i have many friends here & thats why i joined & they were the first to offer me

[Raven]

I hoped TLE would be different from Omega but when it did became to big and some people did started to abuse the tag to do things.
I called it a day and left

They arent the same thing but close ....yes.

[S T I]

Few months too late with that post mate, brave to put it out there

I'd argue that it was just in time.

In Theory, If I was Prepping for war against an opponent, I would:

• Learn the lessons of the past and try to expand to gain the advantage of numbres for both weight of numbers in attack and the fact there are more accounts meaning less stress on the defensive.
  
  
• Then I would go about trying to discredit the enemy, its leadership, make public threads trying to condem them in public or satirise them to both tarnish its name and give non affiliated people false confidence and grounds to stand up and keep up said pressure.
  
  
• Then I would go about recruiting members who hold grudges against said opponents to the extent of allowing questionable alliances to join or merge, meaning members don't require any indoctrination to fight and give loyalty through the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
  
  
• Then I would go about returning public figures and confidence on forums and information mediums after a long period of absense to make your presence known and in the minds of the people.
  
  
• Next would be extending a NAP for a shorter time then ever before under the guise of a stable friendship, giving plenty of time for spies on main and ascended, cataloguing planets, play times as well as building up resources, stockpiles and working out which players would focus on which aspect, target priority and other long term detailed planning.
  
  
• After that I would remember the past and the war winning advantage of public support and so go for the moral highground to try and win the people over. This is to ensure I don't have to worry about extra opponents and may even rally more alliances and members to my banner, but more importantly prevent others joining the enemies again.
  
  To do this I would be very selective in making public threads by a known "respected and neutral" player exactly 1 month before a NAP ends [so long enough for it to remain in the minds of the public but not too soon as to be obvious] and use predicate logic with implications via association to my old crimes to turn the moral tables and portay the enemy as immoral and unworthy of standing up for while creating the foundations of righteousness and that it is the people's fault for not doing anything about the enemy that things are the way they are.
  
  
• Finally, I would neglect to mention the idea or notion that if my enemy were disposed of, I would be the single most uncontested superpower far more advanced and ahead of any other alliance, especially since my traditional enemies are all but liquidated. Nor would I say that I'd Scam Scammers and think it acceptable, would threaten admin That I'd abuse every single bug and exploit if accused of being a cheater thinking it acceptable because you'd be only cheating to get the cheaters. But most of all I'd not say I was trying to emulate my enemy in it's ability to drum up support and friends to make a stand against a rival power.

This is all purely a hypothetical analysis of a hypothetical situation of two hypothetical superpowers of course. Not that any of it has happened or more noticable when the ideas have been brought up in public

LMAO, nice spin (hypothetically)

[blahh]

@Jeff I didnt say you aimed it like at me, but i know there are several who think that way, bebita was quick to pop up. Even thoug i helped greatly in creation of the TLE tag.. I never once abused it nor used it as a sheild. IF my def is crapy cause i m ascending and dont wanna waste 2 tril def evry 2 weeks, than its only normal that if ppl see me with naq they hit me. When i get massed, i take care of it myself, never cried to my "alliance" or empire for help or protection.

Those who know me, also know that i do all that not cause i m a decent guy and all, but simply because i dont like to share targets

And as for general tag abuse, there is some in evry alliance, all i can say is that if you had access to our senate or the general alliance talk, you d see I m the first to be furius about it, beetching and complaining over it and demanding to be sorted out or kicked.

thats why an accusation such as that hurts.


still rereading balors posts, and observing the events that have passed, i have no choice but to accept that this post falls under his "cataloge" of things happened, things happening and things to happen. Which would make you an accessory to an evil plan of trashing tle... (sorry for any posible misjudgings) and thats a sad image to think of.

[~Artanis~]

So true, Jeff... and TLE, at the top of all demand outrageous reparations from alliances they defeat. So far, as I am aware, they did it to two alliances.



Teal'auc

Which ones if I may ask?

I wont mention an alliance but certain 2 players which were asked a nice chunk of naq to be left alone

AG Ra and AG thorta.....rings a bell?

I think it was something between 20-30 trill for both