The view over the fence

[Severian]

& yeah once you get that freakin tune un your head, will it go away

as for the above i can put the same turns as you could say take or point towards,

so in the end which is the correct path, what has the poster got to gain,what agenda have they, have they got some to gain, is there an agenda, & on & on & on

This is what i meant by paranoia, you have already started down the road

but now you have to ask which road is the right road to go on

You can apply what I said to my post and to any post in fact. I don't place a limit on views and call all other views paranoia.

Am I paranoid for suggesting a series of events may be linked and asking people to weigh their options before making a decision?

Or as what I said can be applied to my post, what you said can be applied to your post.

That Any Questioning of your intentions = Paranoia on our part and needs to be publically delt with and discredited as ramblings in itself, a tad of Paranoia on your own behalf?

Are you paranoid by thinking we're all out to ruin your plans? That we're actively trying to sink ships that may or may not exist? That the fact you're worried about our worrying enough to warrent the need to try shoot us down and slam on the term paranoid to discredit the validity of the work as nothing more then ramblings?

Or perhaps you are paranoid that people have stumbled upon some sort of truth and requires a defensive action and a series of forum posts to deal with before it gets out of hand?

I'm not saying that anything above is or isn't, just merely if i'm walking down a certain road, Im not alone and holding your hand all the way baby

[~Thamuz~]

jeff, first of all, thank you for noticing TA

but, you are forgetting something, omega, or to be more precise, they're new alliances, like pi and delta, continue to do what you are accusing tle to do

just look at gc, and you'll find a pi team massing an alliance with the reason "We are bored"

delta does it too, their policy is, we mass who hit us, but truely is, "We can farm whoever we want, but if you hit back, its war" doesnt look that different from the times of cop

now lets look at your own alliance, dde, the same bs, you farm who you want, but 1 hit back on you guys, ofc, not everyone is like that, i know plenty there that can fight their own wars, i fought them b4, but many, many are just hiding in that tag

now about tle, well somethings i dont agree with them, and i already told them, mainly the educators thing (and while some educators are what i consider my friends) i told them b4 many times i dont agree with what they do, but lets not forget, not just TLE members are educators, many are Omega too

about when tle asked reparations for ppl to leave the war, lol, most alliances do that, and it started when omega (or more exactly GA) asked Crystal Force to disband, and asked us, TA, to give 10bill naq (a decent amount at the time) to each leader of each alliance in GA (and there were a lot of them too lol )

so maybe is good to look to both sides of the fence

dont do what your neighbours do, raise above them

very good post indeed nox

there is always a thread where TLE and OE are accusing each others of things they do themselves

I do believe all of this can be specified by a single wisdom:
"The one pointing fingers has usually most butter on his hands"

@jeff
don`t take me wrong but both empires have their flaws never the less

you are superiors so it`s more than natural that both wanna look like the good guys infront of their crowd

A better quote or wisdom would be if you point 1 finger at someone theres always 3 pointing back at you! try it! (only works if your not missing any fingers on the hand your pointing with!) ~Thamuz~

[SSG EnterTheLion]

ok to provide some insight, Svarun was thrown out of Omega for being a traitor. I still laugh at his excuse, "to bring Omega closer together". lol

Now I will give u the true reason Omega was created. As some know we were created in Quantum first wave and did great, top 5 out of 10 and 10 in the top 20, but for all intents and purposes it was just fun.

Omega in MAIN was created to specifically go after cheats. It is the reason why we put ourselves against ppl like Nebulator and JUAN, when no other alliance wanted to.

It is the reason we put ourselves against Metal Messiah, which was the culmination of a group of friends who used an unintended effect of an update to exploit the game to get huge amounts of resources.

And it is the reason the COP/CIA war began. Certain legion members grew at a phenomenal rate while selling at the same time UNLIMITED resources. Since then a few months ago we FINALLY discovered how it was done and reported it to admin, who has taken steps to correct it.

Ok during that time we've had other wars and such, some people viewing us as bastards etc...but whatever. I never claimed to be nice.

Now most people accept that I know how this game runs better than perhaps any of you. Oh I'm not talking about the code. While I think we have a great admin, he is softhearted. I've told this to him many times, he makes a GREAT ADMIN, but not a great CHEAT ADMIN, simply b/c he is a NICE guy. So it was left up to the gamers to do something about it. Admittedly not the ideal situation, but that's how it was.

I've been accused to knowing of updates in the past. Fine it's people's opinions, even though they don't have any clue what they are talking about. By the very nature of this game, you can only benefit from an update if it is blatantly in your favour, and admin will confirm I have at many times suggested updates that have curbed Omega's and my personal account's power. My reasoning was always that if I was to contribute towards making this game better, IT SHOULD BE BETTER as a game, as balanced as possible.

This is very unlike certain updates been suggested that are suggested not for the good of the game but to help certain accounts. Examples: not losing motherships when ascending which blatantly benefits a group who don't give a damn about ascension and wanted to ascend just for main bonuses. I could go on..there are quite a few examples.

Are all these just my views? No. Many people who supposedly hate me but are neutral ingame express the same views in privacy. And I think alot of you are smart enough to figure out why they speak privately.

I find it extremely annoying that ppl give up what they believe in just so they can have someone with a powerful account in their alliance. I remember how Metal Messiah and gang used to whole heartedly agree with me and also curse JUAN themselves about how he was a cheat, yet had no problems helping him build up the multi caspain.

If you believe someone is cheating, throw them out regardless of the consequences. I have! And I still will if I ever find a member of Omega cheating. Perhaps the only way I would excuse someone is if they admitted their fault to admin and of course their alliance leader and changed their ways.

Ok now back to the Legion. I do get along with quite a few guys in TLE. I talk to some of them regularly over many things, ingame out out of game. And I have mentioned below that I know that not ALL of TLE cheats..I think I said a handful or something. That little bit does get alot of press but it's like the newspapers only reporting bad news and ignoring the good news. That's life!

In conclusion, TLE members may be active on these forums but those who think Omega have lost any of their power, test us at your peril!

[RobinInDaHood]

Speaking of characters that add flavor to the game , hello ETL. Nice to see you've been about a bit more.

That said, I blame Omega.

[Brdavs]

Yay I just won a bet that min. 5 pages into this topic "TLE cheats" would come up.
Nice to know you can allways count on certain inallienable truths like prices rising, politicians philandering, you getting old etc.

he is a NICE guy.

And thank God for that eh lol...

[Nimras]

Speaking of old times and fences and your thing about paranoia jeff.

EPA a good examble friends was in GA, was kicked got enemies with DDE how many times didnt i try to talk to REK about NAP and was told we dont NAP them for the very reason the first and only alliance that made the alliance at that time surrender.

I also just got into EPA after their war with omega but you guys managed to turn your own best ally against you to fight against you in the CIA vs CoP war.

Today EPAc is death startet under the CIA vs CoP war after a few left well some betrayed EPA it self as well. Then internal issues which lead to BAMF who killed EPA and well they did get help from DDE or should i say dear JMX.

I do hope the EPA guys who has been there since the start if i arent correct on all but i did write from memory and what i was told as i only got in after the omega war after Wolf359 left.

But what i wanted to say is EPA has been on both sides of the fence before TLE.

Today we stand on who is worst FUALL or TLE??

They both have their weaknesses and strenght, but do we look more close i would say in FUALL its DDE, PI, Delta who atm is the most hated where in TLE its TDL (Blahh you do a good job :p with your farming and to get TDL hated lol) and well thats it.

Now but i have to say of all alliances here FUALL and TLE has changed, from better to worse, worse to worse or just change to what many today call bullies because no matter how i see this there is 2 superpowers both have friends and allies but they also have enemies and in case of a war it all boils down to who has most enemies and who has most friends and will those who are here believe any of you that you would chance enough after the war for something that would be to live with??

Actually i will put this one up for both you jeff (S T I) and you Lord Balor (Severin): Tell me who you think has most enemies and why you have them??

I think you will be surprised over that you both proberly stack almost the same amount of enemies and you will also find the reason the same and then we are back at its a war game so we need enemies yet you still have naps and friends??

And to TA your the oldes alliance here and have handle your self so far good never changed how you play and what you stand for and dont start doing that i was sad when you made TJP as i still see that as a wrong turn for you guys not because i dont understand but more i am affraid in the long run TAF will go away from what made you what you are instead of being esactly that and fight for it you dont need TJP to be friends with TLE or fight with them if you wanted that.

[SSG EnterTheLion]

Yay I just won a bet that min. 5 pages into this topic "TLE cheats" would come up.
Nice to know you can allways count on certain inallienable truths like prices rising, politicians philandering, you getting old etc.

he is a NICE guy.

And thank God for that eh lol...

Keep deluding yourself buddy. And no one said TLE cheats..I said individuals cheated.

[chargin]

I'm sorry but members of TA do bully smaller alliances and players for farming TA, just it is normally the medium players 50-100mil army in TA that do it to very small alliances/players so it isn't heard about. It is more of a few players policy then an alliance policy and is never tried on people near their size. Everyone does it, deal with it.

[SSG EnterTheLion]

Speaking of old times and fences and your thing about paranoia jeff.

EPA a good examble friends was in GA, was kicked got enemies with DDE how many times didnt i try to talk to REK about NAP and was told we dont NAP them for the very reason the first and only alliance that made the alliance at that time surrender.

I also just got into EPA after their war with omega but you guys managed to turn your own best ally against you to fight against you in the CIA vs CoP war.

Today EPAc is death startet under the CIA vs CoP war after a few left well some betrayed EPA it self as well. Then internal issues which lead to BAMF who killed EPA and well they did get help from DDE or should i say dear JMX.

I do hope the EPA guys who has been there since the start if i arent correct on all but i did write from memory and what i was told as i only got in after the omega war after Wolf359 left.

But what i wanted to say is EPA has been on both sides of the fence before TLE.

Today we stand on who is worst FUALL or TLE??

They both have their weaknesses and strenght, but do we look more close i would say in FUALL its DDE, PI, Delta who atm is the most hated where in TLE its TDL (Blahh you do a good job :p with your farming and to get TDL hated lol) and well thats it.

Now but i have to say of all alliances here FUALL and TLE has changed, from better to worse, worse to worse or just change to what many today call bullies because no matter how i see this there is 2 superpowers both have friends and allies but they also have enemies and in case of a war it all boils down to who has most enemies and who has most friends and will those who are here believe any of you that you would chance enough after the war for something that would be to live with??

Actually i will put this one up for both you jeff (S T I) and you Lord Balor (Severin): Tell me who you think has most enemies and why you have them??

I think you will be surprised over that you both proberly stack almost the same amount of enemies and you will also find the reason the same and then we are back at its a war game so we need enemies yet you still have naps and friends??

And to TA your the oldes alliance here and have handle your self so far good never changed how you play and what you stand for and dont start doing that i was sad when you made TJP as i still see that as a wrong turn for you guys not because i dont understand but more i am affraid in the long run TAF will go away from what made you what you are instead of being esactly that and fight for it you dont need TJP to be friends with TLE or fight with them if you wanted that.

This thing about the EPA being kicked from the GA is getting old. So here's the inside scoop. The leader of DD expressed concerns that the EPA in the form of EPAC was getting too bloated. So we had a vote with DDE and DD voting for the EPAC leaving the GA and me voting for them remaining in the GA..yes I have the logs. I save everything. We then came up with a compromise that every member of the GA, including ALL it's alliances within one group should provide 120 members. EPAC rejected those terms and so the original vote stood. And of course certain members of the EPA assumed that Omega kicked them out, started getting all worked up and planning for war with us. JaseB was their leader at the time and had outlined them hitting our members. So we hit them. Incidently a few weeks later their leadership gained temporary access to the Omega forums and found NO PLANS to have ever gone to war with the EPA. And since then our alliances drifted further and further apart to the current situation where I don't even know if they exist anymore. I think if wolf had still been around, he would have asked me and the war would have been avoided. It does teach one a lesson never to jump to conclusions.

[S T I]

& yeah once you get that freakin tune un your head, will it go away

as for the above i can put the same turns as you could say take or point towards,

so in the end which is the correct path, what has the poster got to gain,what agenda have they, have they got some to gain, is there an agenda, & on & on & on

This is what i meant by paranoia, you have already started down the road

but now you have to ask which road is the right road to go on

You can apply what I said to my post and to any post in fact. I don't place a limit on views and call all other views paranoia.

Am I paranoid for suggesting a series of events may be linked and asking people to weigh their options before making a decision?

Or as what I said can be applied to my post, what you said can be applied to your post.

That Any Questioning of your intentions = Paranoia on our part and needs to be publically delt with and discredited as ramblings in itself, a tad of Paranoia on your own behalf?

Are you paranoid by thinking we're all out to ruin your plans? That we're actively trying to sink ships that may or may not exist? That the fact you're worried about our worrying enough to warrent the need to try shoot us down and slam on the term paranoid to discredit the validity of the work as nothing more then ramblings?

Or perhaps you are paranoid that people have stumbled upon some sort of truth and requires a defensive action and a series of forum posts to deal with before it gets out of hand?

I'm not saying that anything above is or isn't, just merely if i'm walking down a certain road, Im not alone and holding your hand all the way baby :P

well if i was going down that road before i am not now or am i becoming paroniod

[S T I]

That said, I blame Omega.

dam where have i seen that before

I give up,

can anyone one remind me where

[~Artanis~]

GRRRRRR, TL was not build to bring omega down, if sva ever indicated such a thing, i m gonna cut his left ball off next time i see him at uni

EDIT: was just told you used to go by the name of zeratool, so i m guessin no need to cut svas balls, you ve been serving that bs for breakfast for the past 4months, even thoug you know i go balistic evrytime i hear it.

@ at edit part

whatever blahh....first learn how to spell my name right,then we can have a chat

hear the truth can be hard sometimes but denying it is even worse

As I said I dont play anymore so I dont really care...not sure why r u trying so hard to p*** me off though....but I`ll give ya cookie for trying though

[Nox]

...
Now I will give u the true reason Omega was created. As some know we were created in Quantum first wave and did great, top 5 out of 10 and 10 in the top 20, but for all intents and purposes it was just fun.

Omega in MAIN was created to specifically go after cheats. It is the reason why we put ourselves against ppl like Nebulator and JUAN, when no other alliance wanted to.
...

etl, has i do agree you guys went after cheaters when you found them (even when you found out about crimson cheating, who belonged to omega, you reported him) you gotta say the truth lol, you formed omega in main, cause it worked in quantum, and you guys wanted power in main too

why else would you started wars against us, since metal and his gang had already left TA

and by the way, if im not mistaken, juan actually joined omega at one point right? and his uu's did go to an omegan, by your words cheater uu's right

but still, im not here to talk about omega, you play like you play and i respect you guys for that, and i know you havent lose your strength

but jeff, this is a "i hate (or similar) TLE" thread if you really wanted to talk about how TLE is behaving themselves, you should have mentioned a little about fuall alliances are still acting (and thats ok by me, everyone plays how they want too, its a game after all )

@nimras
m8, the pact was just an official statement of the alliance we already had since cia/cop war basically, we always had good ties with TLE, so why not make it official, since others did but do not worry, we will not change our ways, just ask our latests adversaries in war, mayhem, they had fun waring us, thats what this game is all about, having fun (at least for me )

@chargin
yes, its true, some TAF players might do that, but never without a reason if i recall, we do it to ppl that appear in our logs, not cause "we are bored" never did that, never will (well maybe if i someday leave the game, i wont sell stuff, i'll go postal on the server lol )

and like everywhere, sgw is no exception, the weaker, the smaller, will always talk bad about the bigger, powerfull (at least some, others will look up to them, and learn from them )
and the bigger, powerfull, will always use their power and strength to impose fear to others, well some will use that has last resort, cause gaining respect is a lot harder then gaining fear, and it doesnt take just power and strength

now someone said, it comes down to who is worse, omega empire or tle, well, i think both have great players, and both have players that just use the tag to bully, but i'll side with tle anytime

[SlimD]

That said, I blame Omega.

dam where have i seen that before

I give up,

can anyone one remind me where

Haha, I remember seeing that only a months into playing this game..

[ARC_trooper]

Just point the vinger, say Omega is evil and then hide

I laughed again when i thought about all the "i hate Omega" topics.. Freakin' funny.. i thought that nearly all were made by ex-omegans or people who had 'bad' dealings with them i mean.. why?! its a wargame

Anyway, We should play this as a game, why hate something or someone for playing a game really good? Jealous? lol.. anyway, enough rant for today

I'm off now, got some drinking to do i think..
Koninginnedag! woo hoo! (A dutch thing )