ban educating sig :D

[LTC]

If I didn't stop for coffee

You visited me?

[Darkalbino_]

Mm-ma-ma-ma

[weilandsmith]

If you don't want them to tell you to play the game their way based upon principle, don't go telling them to play the game your way. You can say no, I will not play your game and either fight back or stay with 0 stats and deny them the ability to hurt you. But the second you demand they play your way, you abandon that very cause you are defending against so stubbornly. Which is the point I am attempting to raise.

i'm not demanding that they play the game my way. i am trying to tell them to stop forcing people to play the game "their" way. by attacking me because I am not playing their game, they are thus using force to get me to play the game their way. I am just trying to stop them from doing that. I am reacting. they can mass me because all my UP is in defense. sure. BUT, they shouldn't tell me that what I did was wrong. what I did was stupid. that, because of it, i have been educated. that is wrong. don't try to shift the blame to me because there isn't any blame for what i am trying to do. i am the one defending my position as a passive player. they are the ones forcing their aggressiveness on me. they are pushing their style of play on me. why blame me? if i forced you to do something you don't like, you would react. that is what i am doing. in the same way that they reacted way back when passivity was being forced down their throats. Now, they are the ones doing the forcing. they are the ones threatening to mass. i can't fight like that. i'm a newbie. this is the only way i can fight. by reacting. the same way they reacted. don't put blame on me.

Everyone in this thread is pointing in the mirror.

Also, If you come up with an argument, the very first thing you do is invert it and apply it to yourself before clicking post. It saves you awkard situations. I have not said my way is right. You have said your way is right. I have merely said that both sides are guilty and that I am not here to prove innocence, but rather that mutual guilt.

by making the blame mutual, you mean to say that i am also at fault because i am being forced to play in a certain way? because if i don't, they'll mass me? huh? is that my fault? don't i have the right to defend my position? don't i have the right to play the way i want to? they can mass me sure. but they SHOULD NOT SAY you are educated because you did not conform to our style of play. this is the part where the forcing comes in. this is what needs to be stopped. *sigh* britain says i declare war on africa because you do not speak english. from what you are saying, africa should do nothing so that africa doesn't get blamed for forcing their idea? because that is what is happening sev. i am defending. i'm not the one who's forcing.

You are saying that they are dictating styles of play now and that it is the new crux of your argument.

Always been part of the argument sev. right from the start. don't change the subject.

Your argument has changed from mods being irresponsible to massing without justification to educations being bullies hitting smaller accounts to educations imposing rules to educators using the word educate to impose a playstyle.

yes, i did say that part about the mods in educators. yes. educators are bullies. since you think them guilty, then they're bullies to you too. i never said anything about smaller accounts in my first post, sev. neither did i say anything about smaller accounts elsewhere. only here. and yes. educators are using the word educate to dictate. that's not education.

They are free to mass anyone and everyone yes? Then why your support against the educators in threads with those against them for the reasons of unjust massing?

because massing you with the intent to force you to change your style of play is unjust. again sev, britain will attack africa because africa doesn't speak english.

That is, threads against the educators breaking "rules" that passive players have set in place? You end up defending the very concept you are currently against.

breaking rules? they're not breaking rules. they're forcing me to accept and follow their rules with the threat of massing if i don't. in fact it would be blackmail if the note comes before the massing.

Passive players have somehow Equating Massing without Justifiction = Bullying = Wrong.

sigh... massing without justification is even more understandable. its war sev. but they have their own justification for what they are doing. they want people to play the game the way they think it should be played. they threaten massing if not. now, tell me that that is not bullying, hmm?

Which in essense is:
Massing without your justification = bullying = wrong.
Which is based upon:
Massing without predefined conditions met = bullying = wrong.

hey i didn't say mass my way. i even said that random, senseless massing was fine. what is wrong is massing as a threat to FORCE ME TO CHANGE my way. that is wrong. it's something like extortion or blackmail, dontcha know?

Who is setting those predefined conditions?

they did. they did it first. i only reacted. they're the one's doing the forcing. i and several others are just trying to fend them off.

Who has the right to set triggers and dictate responces?

no one should. that's why the forcing was wrong in the first place.

Who is setting rules in place that people must follow?

They are. they threaten with force. what am i supposed to be passively accepting and just be like them and bully everyone else?

Who is dictacting when something is right and wrong?

1) I am. My belief makes me think I am right, therefore I am right. There may be evidence later that I was wrong, but that's later. not now.
2) You are by assigning blame on both sides.

You seem happy enough to defend these rules while opposing the conditions the educators have set about for their triggers to mass an account. Or have you changed your mind again and reverting to an earlier argument?

again sev, they're set of rules are forcing me to defend my position of passivity. *sigh* british attack africa because they no speak english. africa can't defend? the educators are the aggressors here sev.

You have conceded the point that the educators and agressive players in general have an equal right to play their way and at the moment the only thing to argue is semantics on imposition. While we're at it, let us delve into the semantics of education.

well now. what about my right to play the game my way? we all have the right to play the game our way. just don't impose, force, blackmail or extort people into playing the game the way you want them to. open your eyes sev. this is what is happening.

Answer me this one question.

If you have a lot trained and someone masses you, did you learn it is risky and potentially costly to have a lot trained?

If the answer is yes, then you have learnt something. You have been educated. It may not be nice, but since we're into semantics here it is an education of sorts and you in fact have been educated.

after the massing is over, you are told you are now educated because you did not play according to the same rules they use to play. uh uh sev. that's not education. of course. you learned something. you learned the way they play and that they're style of playing impinges in your right to play the game your way. if they just go ahead and mass and stop spouting all these BS about education, then that would be it. if they put in the educating part, that sounds like forcing because you did not conform to their style of playing. doesn't it? doesn't it? we're talking about game style here sev. it's connected to how you use your mind. your personality. your comfort zone. when you attack me because i do not conform to the way you play the game, you attack me personally. *sigh* british attack africa because of language. That's what it looks like sev.

[rabonban]

when you attack me because i do not conform to the way you play the game, you attack me personally.

severian is Educator?

[Mato]

Severian doesnt play anymore

I hope he returns.

[Antz]

that sig is utter nonsense, you could have put some effort into it....
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[Vendetta]

HHHHHHHHHHHEY U BIU,M BUM UHYG

[weilandsmith]

that sig is utter nonsense, you could have put some effort into it....
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lol... nice sig

[Antz]

i largely support the Educators, they balance the game from people who can protect a weeks income,

i am however opposed to people who have terrible sigs...

[weilandsmith]

i largely support the Educators, they balance the game from people who can protect a weeks income,

i am however opposed to people who have terrible sigs...

well, if people can protect a week's income, then they either paid for it or worked hard to get where they are. what makes them so different from other people in the game? we're all playing hard or paying hard to get ahead of everyone else. do we deserve to be 'educated'?

as for the sig. you won't get a rise out of me. i didn't make it. someone else did.

[Antz]

no see, that's where your wrong, they reduce their income and bolster their defence

i COULD theoretically put 60m uu into my defence, but that takes away a large proportion of my income,

what is that huge defence actually protecting?

it's there to keep your income...right?

what income is there if a person with 15m army has 7m in defence and 5m spies? that leaves 3m, they might be miners, they might have some strike supers trained.


say, that's a Tau'ri account, that gives a 400b defence (roughly) and 3m miners (not counting planets) gives an income of around 250m naq,

saying that people won't hit a 400b defence for anything less than 40b (i know it's not right but still) that means that account has 160 turns before they get to a point where they're valid farms...that's over 3 days.

then it's back to ppt and that's 4 more days hidden from attack.

it's a matter of balance

for me to be protected for 3 days, i'd need over a 1.5 quad defence....

[weilandsmith]

so the educators dislike the overly defensive.

but that's the way they play. is it a sin to protect or defend what you have? so what if they're over defending?

i'm a mid player. i get enough naq that i get hit by people who have 400b attack power. so, what do i do? i put almost everything i have into defense to defend against the 400b attack. my population is only 3m. can you imagine how many of those i'd have to put into trained super defense just so i could defend against people who have 400b strike? there are even people with trillion strikes. at 500m supers, i only get max of 60b defense. that's why my defense is high. that's why i will continue transferring miners to defense supers so i protect myself from people with 400b or trillion strikes.

i am just defending myself. why should the educators be pissed at that?

[HellFire]

If random massings are fine, then if The Educators simply change their reasoning of massing from " You had too much resources trained " to " We were bored ", you'd be fine with it? That's what I'm getting from your posts, albeit, I'd like to know if wrong.

~HellFire

[Antz]

so the educators dislike the overly defensive.

but that's the way they play. is it a sin to protect or defend what you have? so what if they're over defending?

i'm a mid player. i get enough naq that i get hit by people who have 400b attack power. so, what do i do? i put almost everything i have into defense to defend against the 400b attack. my population is only 3m. can you imagine how many of those i'd have to put into trained super defense just so i could defend against people who have 400b strike? there are even people with trillion strikes. at 500m supers, i only get max of 60b defense. that's why my defense is high. that's why i will continue transferring miners to defense supers so i protect myself from people with 400b or trillion strikes.

i am just defending myself. why should the educators be pissed at that?

and in return you lose your income,

if you don't log in often enough to bank then don't expect to keep your naq, it's that simple

[rabonban]

If random massings are fine, then if The Educators simply change their reasoning of massing from " You had too much resources trained " to " We were bored ", you'd be fine with it? That's what I'm getting from your posts, albeit, I'd like to know if wrong.

~HellFire