Remove Market Generated AT's for Player Generated AT's

[Mystake]

Any player who's ATs are maxed out: anything above would then go to the market.

The market would no longer generate AT's out of thin air

The game pace slowed down to 1AT/turn rather then the current 3.

prune 1 year old inactive accounts, prune 3 month old accounts under 250k army, vac mode 6month inactives.

[repli**cator]

and disable AT trading all together, woot...

sry dont take the previous (too) seriously

well that means AT's would become even more expensive if you AT generation per turn is slowed down
i cant foretell how it would change ingame markter pricing but i think they will rise aswell since i think the turns then generated into the market by inactive players would be far less then how many are generated now

what would be the idea behind these suggestions?
i doubt game pace will slow down, AT would still be traded and 'big' players would still be buying em and using em as much as now

[GeneralChaos]

This has been discussed over and over and over, and its not going to happen, the game has advanced past that.

[Teal'auc of the Void]

I said it once... NO NO No...

I want to mass on a whim...

I want to raid when I want...

I don't want to wait for turns to generate..

Yes, I am spoiled by havinga lot of turns...

Yes, I love fast-paced SGW as it is today...



Teal'auc

[Nimras]

I said it once... NO NO No...

I want to mass on a whim...

I want to raid when I want...

I don't want to wait for turns to generate..

Yes, I am spoiled by havinga lot of turns...

Yes, I love fast-paced SGW as it is today...



Teal'auc

*Removes Teal'Auc turns sneaks up behind her and mass the crap out of her knowing she has to waite to generate turns* BWAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Legendary Apophis]

Any player who's ATs are maxed out: anything above would then go to the market.
Yes
The market would no longer generate AT's out of thin air
Yes
The game pace slowed down to 1AT/turn rather then the current 3.
No
prune 1 year old inactive accounts, prune 3 month old accounts under 250k army, vac mode 6month inactives.
Yes, but only under 30k army size/no/ yes, but again, under 30k army size

[Wolf359]

I don't think the game has advanced past it at all.

And I KNOW that the root of the majority of problems to do with the game lies with market generated ATs.

There was once a time when the best players were the players who managed their accounts most wisely, selected effective targets and planned attacks. With virtually unlimited AT, the 'best' (and I use the term lightly) players, or perhaps the most successful - are those who are prepared to spend inordinate amounts of time simply raiding and farming. Equally, singler players should not be able to mass entire alliances at a time, and on a whim.

That isn't playing the game, and the strategy/management required could be achieved by a lemon.

As for fast paced - it may be (although I'm not convinced) - but it is definately equally boring.

Restricting market ATs would bring back the need to prepare and plan, and battles would be fought more realisticly. Where is the skill/strategy in knowing you can continually attack and know you will never run out af AT? In actual fact - it would still be possible to never run out, as you would still be able to buy AT from others - although the prices would (realisticly) be inflated. And the simple truth is that when this was happening, SGW was at it's best.

Truth is, a lot of people will find that they would not be able to manage without this endless stream of AT - they would find that they would have to think about what they are doing, and way up the potential consequences, because they would no longer have the capacity to strike as and when they please. That's why some people are against it.

(Although I wouldn't reduce personal AT generated per turn - to be honest, if we gor rid of these AT that Jason magically adds to the market, I'd be happy to see personal AT generated be slightly increased.

Additionally, I wouldn't put player maxed out AT into the market either. AT is your army's capacity to attack - and like in reality, it has a natural maximum, above which nothing else can be generated).

[Teal'auc of the Void]

I don't... call me spoiled or whatsoever, but I want to play, not passive await my AT's to generate... and I hope this will never be implemented...



Teal'auc

[knockout]

I said it once... NO NO No...

I want to mass on a whim...

I want to raid when I want...

I don't want to wait for turns to generate..

Yes, I am spoiled by havinga lot of turns...

Yes, I love fast-paced SGW as it is today...



Teal'auc

second

[Legendary Apophis]

I don't think the game has advanced past it at all.

And I KNOW that the root of the majority of problems to do with the game lies with market generated ATs.

There was once a time when the best players were the players who managed their accounts most wisely, selected effective targets and planned attacks. With virtually unlimited AT, the 'best' (and I use the term lightly) players, or perhaps the most successful - are those who are prepared to spend inordinate amounts of time simply raiding and farming. Equally, singler players should not be able to mass entire alliances at a time, and on a whim.

That isn't playing the game, and the strategy/management required could be achieved by a lemon.

As for fast past - it may be (although I'm not convinced) - but it is definately equally boring.

Restricting market ATs would bring back the need to prepare and plan, and battles would be fought more realisticly. Where is the skill/strategy in knowing you can continually attack and know you will never run out af AT? In actual fact - it would still be possible to never run out, as you would still be able to buy AT from others - although the prices would (realisticly) be inflated. And the simple truth is that when this was happening, SGW was at it's best.

Truth is, a lot of people will find that they would not be able to manage without this endless stream of AT - they would find that they would have to think about what they are doing, and way up the potential consequences, because they would no longer have the capacity to strike as and when they please. That's why some people are against it.

(Although I wouldn't reduce personal AT generated per turn - to be honest, if we gor rid of these AT that Jason magically adds to the market, I'd be happy to see personal AT generated be slightly increased.

Additionally, I wouldn't put player maxed out AT into the market either. AT is your army's capacity to attack - and like in reality, it has a natural maximum, above which nothing else can be generated).

Agreed, end the 24/7 players' reign!

I don't... call me spoiled or whatsoever, but I want to play, not passive await my AT's to generate... and I hope this will never be implemented...



Teal'auc

That used to be like that...wouldn't be an upgrade, just a reverse.

People will farm less, but nomore for ridiculous amounts like now, I am in perg right now, wanted to see how it is, and believe me, there, you can farm for real, itt's not 20bil naq on 850bil def (exagerating it a bit, voluntarly). I think I'll remain in perg, because I'm hit for same amounts that I used to be...3 monthes ago, and that you can actually "farm" for real. Problem being, not enough players are there. Call me coward to move there, but at least, I found something closer to old skool sgw than the joke that became normal realm.

[Juliette]

Any player who's ATs are maxed out: anything above would then go to the market.

The market would no longer generate AT's out of thin air

The game pace slowed down to 1AT/turn rather then the current 3.

prune 1 year old inactive accounts, prune 3 month old accounts under 250k army, vac mode 6month inactives.

Hey look, a list of often-made suggestions!


I concur, and would like to see these pass.

[Legendary Apophis]

One AT per turn is boring tho, and I prefer my version about inactives.

[Mystake]

30k army is virtually nothing. 250k though is something else that can be hit within 2hours of playing the game.

[Dizzy]

I'd actually like to see this go one step further:

All AT's purchased from the market are untradable (and cannot be used in perg)
Max of 4k tradeable AT's onhand at any moment (generated by the game)

Have a tiered generation of AT's

0-30mil army 6 turns per 30 mins
30-70 mil 5 turns
70-150 mil 4 turns
150mil+ 3 turns

Yes AT prices would skyrocket, but eventually they would find the level at which they will settle. This means that people will have to look for good targets.... this whole strategy thing again.

Alliance wars would required more teamwork and co-ordination. Literally keep part of the alliance under 30mil army for the purpose of generating AT's for the rest of the alliance, just like alliances have members with roles of sabbers, ACers planet takers etc etc.

All players would still be able to buy them, it is just that minimum raid and naq hit amounts would be increased. Large players have the advantage of having bigger buying power. Smaller players will then get the advantage of being able to hold higher amounts of naq before being hit and also selling AT's for higher prices.

Yes it is a war game, but a big part of war is strategy and planning. There is basically none of that around at the moment: buy at's, raid, buy at's raid.... rinse and repeat, or buy at's farm, buy at's farm rinse repeat or but at's mass, buy at's mass rinse repeat.

[Mystake]

i like it dizzy and i'll suggest to admin if I get the chance.


I'll take yours back a step though and drop your AT/turn rates by 1. So that its 5-4-3-2 at's/turn rather then the 6/5/4/3

6at/turn is quite a bit and might cause some people to create accounts just to funnel AT's.

heck, personally i'd rather see 150m+ get 1at/turn, and 0-30 only get 4at/turn

jason changed it to 3at/turn to speed the pace up, now its time to slow it down


@Jenny, i love u dear but being able to mass on a whim is what is destroying SGW... and, REALLY sorry to say it but ppl like u, doing that, isn't help.


edit: i got it better Dizzy;

0-perg limit > 4AT/turn WHILE IN PURG.
0-50m > 3AT/turn
50-130m > 2AT/turn
130+ > 1AT/turn

what u think?