Phase Expoilt/ Critial expoilt

[Borek]

it is exploiting, i love how you accuse us of doing it to ETL, yet it's clearly shown in the logs that ETL was being phased by TJP alone, none of us have been so lame as to exploit this for our own benefit, although since you all seem to think it's a "legit tactic" i have a few nice ideas myself for some identical "abuse".

But hey, this is what the game has been reduced to now, Jason even added in an Alliance war option which negates Nox for both sides, but neither has opted to use it. I think that says it all, this ganme is riddled with poorly thought out bugs, seems we just have to make the most out of them until we either quit in disgust or they get changed.

And as for Nox, then yes, i would LOVE for it to be removed, i hated it when it 1st came out and i still hate it despite the fact i've kept my weapons because of it on several occassions.

[pianomutt20000]

it is exploiting, i love how you accuse us of doing it to ETL, yet it's clearly shown in the logs that ETL was being phased by TJP alone, none of us have been so lame as to exploit this for our own benefit, although since you all seem to think it's a "legit tactic" i have a few nice ideas myself for some identical "abuse".

But hey, this is what the game has been reduced to now, Jason even added in an Alliance war option which negates Nox for both sides, but neither has opted to use it. I think that says it all, this ganme is riddled with poorly thought out bugs, seems we just have to make the most out of them until we either quit in disgust or they get changed.

And as for Nox, then yes, i would LOVE for it to be removed, i hated it when it 1st came out and i still hate it despite the fact i've kept my weapons because of it on several occassions.

If it is exploiting. Then reset all accounts that EVER used it to 0...all of them. That includes my old account, which used it....Most of Alpha. A good portion of DDE/Omega....Heck, find a way to trace it and reset them all. Most of TDJ as well.


It'd be nice to start over from the beginning wouldn't it...Because i'd say a good 60% of both sides would lost all their precious army sizes.



This was an active tactic in 2006, it's stupid to bring it up in the middle of a war. I have no problem with it being fixed, just not at a couple of people's stupid timeframe.


Fix these things before or after a war, and you'll not hear me getting pissy. I've NEVER been phased, or asked others to phase me. But the timing is suspect.




What do you say Omega, reset those accounts to 0? If admin jason can track them down.


Bill

[Brdavs]

How exactly would one go about fixing this "problem" without killing nox heh? And plz don`t come up with a brilliant plan to have nox intact for big defs but negating covering of strike or some such thing lol.

Preventing alliance mates hitting eachother? Plenty of alliances around in these blocks and in any case ppl would just leave the alliance.

What`s the point of expanding on alliance concept and warfare if you`re only punishing people for using it (removing advantages otherwise enjoyed)? you expect ppl to use them because....? It`s used as long as it does not penalise OR it is optional (in wich case it does not get used). Mandatory penalising things get circumvented if at all possible. Go about things too agresivly and logic dictates that all the coding admin is doing for the alliances will be a lost effort since noone will use them or be in the alliances that make use of it obligatory.

[Borek]

Remove Nox, problem solved.

[Juliette]

So that's solved then.. when the next update comes in (alliance wars etc.) the whole Nox deal is solved when wars are on. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be?

Next update should fix this one then.

[Borek]

So that's solved then.. when the next update comes in (alliance wars etc.) the whole Nox deal is solved when wars are on. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be?

Next update should fix this one then.

It would be fixed now if people had the sack to actually use the alliance war setting.

[Juliette]

So that's solved then.. when the next update comes in (alliance wars etc.) the whole Nox deal is solved when wars are on. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be?

Next update should fix this one then.

It would be fixed now if people had the sack to actually use the alliance war setting.

So there's essentially no problem, except that the warring parties are too chicken to declare war?
Ye cats, that's messed up.

[Brdavs]

Well naturally the only portion of the nox aspect HE has a problem with is the one working against him heh. The rest is pritty usefull actually why do away with it completley.

Heck if you guys declared first and asked nicely I`m pritty sure we`d declare back negating the nox on those couple defs left lol...

[Juliette]

Isn't it the role of the one who starts the war to declare war?
As far as I know (which I admit is severely lacking) TJP started the mess..

[Borek]

Well naturally the only portion of the nox aspect HE has a problem with is the one working against him heh. The rest is pritty usefull actually why do away with it completley.

Heck if you guys declared first and asked nicely I`m pritty sure we`d declare back negating the nox on those couple defs left lol...

Well, the only way to fix it as it stands (and keep nox in game) is to prevent alliance mates attacking each other, but then again your side already seems to have spawned 5 extra TA offshoot alliances, so it would be impossible to enforce, because there would be no way to make everyone involved declare an official alliance war.

hence bye-bye nox, and good riddence.

[Legendary Apophis]

Oh my...I already found this game lacked tactics more and more with new updates but now...
I think the same that Svarun, what's the point anymore? Making this game only a click fest with no strategies?
Hire really smart monkeys to do war since it would be JUST a matter of who clicks the most, just count a certain amount of attacks, go to repair and bank etc, then give it back to monkey who knows how to click on computers button...wow that will need alot of strategy and intelligence!

I'm not in the big war yes, but been in wars recently, and can tell that if current "exploits" weren't there...wars would have been really boring as we all would have trained 0 spies and sold everything and farm each others with 1 weapon after defenses were massed. Because there would have no points in keeping everything since all could be wiped out without any difficulties (aren't token def meant to make the war "more difficult" and hence, less boring?? Since when do we want to "win" or "end" a war in a day?).
Aren't wars meant to be difficult strategy talking and not who-is-clicking-most talking? This game is really becoming a joke more and more with this, AC update, and MS/planets update!
Because don't fool yourself people, with these "wonderful" updates, only thing it will do will be an even more boring war system as everyone will sit, and since both sides would do it, "the winner naming" wouldn't enter in effect since both sides wouldn't want to build a "true" defense. (and strategy talking, even if we like enemy to build them, we know they won't, as we know we wouldn't do it).
Think about it people, you get rid of phasing...what does it mean? You mass the person more quick, and ohhh you finished almost everything like few days before you should have, because in past people resisted with the phasing and token defenses, not anymore, so what do you do now? Awww the farm fest already! That's what we prefer in war, isn't it?
I can imagine already people saying this (from the ones who say it's all "wonderfull" and "marvelous":

Dang this war did last alot less than before, I think these updates weren't as good as we thought, in two days we already massed both everything each others, what do we do now? Rebuild a def? No because they would mass us before and have an advantage, as they might get longer time to rebuild and store more naq, with the system they would win the war, so we'll wait (and of course enemy thinks the same)...and hop! This so called solve defense building thing and get rid of farm fest is useless! We thought we would have more fighting but wow we get alot less than we ever did! Oh my how can it be so?(:roll:)

When you make things more easy you expect wars to have more fightings? There's something wrong in this!
Oh no of course not easy for all, the heavy stat builders will not be touched, and will win the war without any problem and doing almost nothing lol. They just have two heavy massers in your alliance they wipe out enemy, while rests sits on their giant def being safe from massings. Since massers watch enemy potentially building a strike big enough, since ACing is now impossible. And heavy massers not even needing phasing because they get funded by stat builders who can't be farmed! How can it be? It's just the first who strikes who wins the war with new updates (if alliances are somehow "equal" of course)!
I believe some ratio 30/5 for damages attack/def will be coming soon to make things even more "enjoyable"...
I can only imagine the mess it will be when updates coming from stat builders and those from warmongers will be in altogether in the game...

[Juliette]

Too long.

Oh no of course not easy for all, the heavy stat builders will not be touched, and will win the war without any problem and doing almost nothing lol, just have two heavy massers in your alliance they wipe out enemy, while rests sits on their giant def being safe from massings, since massers watch enemy potentially building a strike big enough, since ACing is now impossible, and heavy massers not even needing phasing because they get funded by stat builders who can't be farmed!

^^ = Proof that it is too long.

[Legendary Apophis]

:? Too long.

Oh no of course not easy for all, the heavy stat builders will not be touched, and will win the war without any problem and doing almost nothing lol, just have two heavy massers in your alliance they wipe out enemy, while rests sits on their giant def being safe from massings, since massers watch enemy potentially building a strike big enough, since ACing is now impossible, and heavy massers not even needing phasing because they get funded by stat builders who can't be farmed!

^^ = Proof that it is too long.

So what's the problem with being too long?
It just means I understand consequences and explain them to people, and that I have much things to say on the matter. I don't see the problem...
If people can't be bothered to read it all, it's not my problem.
When there's something that interests me I also read large posts, because they often tell alot.
It's not like if I didn't do paragraphs, because I already seen that amount of text, and then, it is too long.

Edited it abit with more paragraphs for those who say it's "too long"...

[ThakalluS]

rofl @ HE

cry much ?

[Brdavs]

Isn't it the role of the one who starts the war to declare war?
As far as I know (which I admit is severely lacking) TJP started the mess..

Well, yea.

And people who start massing are usually considered the ones that start off the war. What`s your definition?
I mean after all the glaring of how awsome the first strike was TJP still somehow manages to be the one who should have declared the ingame war first lol?


And I cant believe I`m actually 100% areeing with Legendary Apophis. It`s crazy. Both this and what`s happening to the game lol.