just curious...

[Teal'auc of the Void]

Lynch me all you want, Luc. I said all with my best heart and honesty and you are free to make your own opinion. As others are.



Teal'auc

[Nimras]

I will not move this topic anymore Wolf359 and Dadigi overruled me and i let it stay.

Nimras

[Mystake]

I will not move this topic anymore Wolf359 and Dadigi overruled me and i let it stay.

Nimras

Pushover

[Nimras]

I will not move this topic anymore Wolf359 and Dadigi overruled me and i let it stay.

Nimras

Pushover

Lol nah just not going to keep moving it back and forth i will let smoosh and bazsy do that if they so please.

[Mystake]

im just teasing you :p

didn't know global mods could override each other though?

[Nimras]

im just teasing you :p

didn't know global mods could override each other though?

We cant but meh when Dadigi moves it over, its moved back why the Mod team was told then Wolf359 moves it back i get swarmed sees it and moves it to the general as again told on the mod part of the forum and then Dadigi makes this stund basicly i wash hands and move on.

Yes it did belong here in the first place but for other reasons it was allowed to stay again Mod forum will not discuss further.

I hope this get solved and the faith in the team can be restored.

Nimras.

[weilandsmith]

Ahh... everybody wants democracy. In the case of forum admin, democracy is not an option. It has been stated so several times in this forum by both arguing parties.

If smoosh decides to fire all mods, then all mods are fired. nothing anybody can do about it is there except to gripe.

was firing FS and Teaulc unjustified? Maybe.

was smoosh within his authority to fire FS and Teaulc? Definitely. Why? because democracy does not apply to admin.

The point is, what's done is done. All this griping is just affecting both parties in a negative manner. Point in fact, dirty laundry is beginning to come out. If you want to prevent that, then just stop.

Tealuc and Freespirit, i respect both of you. You are pillars in the SGW world. But nothing will change the fact that Smoosh can fire you for whatever reason he sees fit.

Smoosh, I'm not questioning you. It's certainly your decision to fire mods as you please. But, at this point in time when a lot of people are griping, maybe a little clarification and explanation can clear the air, please.

To other members of respect group, don't add fuel to the fire.

Zeratul, do something. Ban respect group from this topic if you want. If you lose members, so be it. They've violated the rules anyway.

[Mystake]

i've only stated what i know

[Teal'auc of the Void]

Ahh... everybody wants democracy. In the case of forum admin, democracy is not an option. It has been stated so several times in this forum by both arguing parties.

If smoosh decides to fire all mods, then all mods are fired. nothing anybody can do about it is there except to gripe.

was firing FS and Teaulc unjustified? Maybe.

was smoosh within his authority to fire FS and Teaulc? Definitely. Why? because democracy does not apply to admin.

The point is, what's done is done. All this griping is just affecting both parties in a negative manner. Point in fact, dirty laundry is beginning to come out. If you want to prevent that, then just stop.

Tealuc and Freespirit, i respect both of you. You are pillars in the SGW world. But nothing will change the fact that Smoosh can fire you for whatever reason he sees fit.

Smoosh, I'm not questioning you. It's certainly your decision to fire mods as you please. But, at this point in time when a lot of people are griping, maybe a little clarification and explanation can clear the air, please.

To other members of respect group, don't add fuel to the fire.

Zeratul, do something. Ban respect group from this topic if you want. If you lose members, so be it. They've violated the rules anyway.

I disagree with you.

Someone being an admin does not justify them to do as they please no matter what. That's maybe how it works in RL, those with power can do what they want. But in game like this, people will overthrow those who try to apply unfairness and injustice, when they are supposed to work for the community and team they were assigned to... not to create their own selfish agendas and mark everyone who disagrees as enemy.

dictatorship will be frowned upon and as long as I can, i will speak up, when some crap is happening. Why? Because I care where this community is going. The day I become silent on bullcrap is the day I am past caring where this community and forums go.



Teal'auc

[weilandsmith]

Ahh... everybody wants democracy. In the case of forum admin, democracy is not an option. It has been stated so several times in this forum by both arguing parties.

If smoosh decides to fire all mods, then all mods are fired. nothing anybody can do about it is there except to gripe.

was firing FS and Teaulc unjustified? Maybe.

was smoosh within his authority to fire FS and Teaulc? Definitely. Why? because democracy does not apply to admin.

The point is, what's done is done. All this griping is just affecting both parties in a negative manner. Point in fact, dirty laundry is beginning to come out. If you want to prevent that, then just stop.

Tealuc and Freespirit, i respect both of you. You are pillars in the SGW world. But nothing will change the fact that Smoosh can fire you for whatever reason he sees fit.

Smoosh, I'm not questioning you. It's certainly your decision to fire mods as you please. But, at this point in time when a lot of people are griping, maybe a little clarification and explanation can clear the air, please.

To other members of respect group, don't add fuel to the fire.

Zeratul, do something. Ban respect group from this topic if you want. If you lose members, so be it. They've violated the rules anyway.

I disagree with you.

Someone being an admin does not justify them to do as they please no matter what. That's maybe how it works in RL, those with power can do what they want. But in game like this, people will overthrow those who try to apply unfairness and injustice, when they are supposed to work for the community and team they were assigned to... not to create their own selfish agendas and mark everyone who disagrees as enemy.

dictatorship will be frowned upon and as long as I can, i will speak up, when some crap is happening. Why? Because I care where this community is going. The day I become silent on bullcrap is the day I am past caring where this community and forums go.



Teal'auc

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Teal'auc... If you want smooshable removed, then set up a poll. involve the whole community. no way is Jason going to remove smoosh because of a few people. the whole community has to be involved. A poll is the best way to do that. Griping (I'm sorry, Teal"auc, but that's what it is) will not solve or accomplish anything. Make a poll, explain your side, and the people will vote. Its up to smoosh whether he rebuts your explanation or not. We respect you Teal'auc. We appreciate you fighting for a just community. I hope that I have helped you find a better solution than just slinging mud at each other.

[Teal'auc of the Void]

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Teal'auc... If you want smooshable removed, then set up a poll. involve the whole community. no way is Jason going to remove smoosh because of a few people. the whole community has to be involved. A poll is the best way to do that. Griping (I'm sorry, Teal"auc, but that's what it is) will not solve or accomplish anything. Make a poll, explain your side, and the people will vote. Its up to smoosh whether he rebuts your explanation or not. We respect you Teal'auc. We appreciate you fighting for a just community. I hope that I have helped you find a better solution than just slinging mud at each other.

I am not slinging a mud. In fact Admin was emailed and I hope things will get sorted in fair way. The best course would be if smooshable realized his wrongs and would learn to communicate with his team and cooperate with them. If he would learn to listen to them. The mod team itself had many interesting insights, yet smooshable decided to distance himself from the team and work on his own pace... to cause this mess and situation of unfairness.

If he preaches democracy, it needs to go both sides. Not just his side and others just blindly following him like sheeps. People usually don't like to just follow blindly.

Now.. poll about smooshable's dismissal sounds like public lynching... and I don't like that. Smooshable did mistakes, yes, but I don't think he deserves something like that. This is probably between him, mod team and us. Hence why I hope this will be addressed very soon. Originally I hoped it would not come to topic in public section, but when it was addressed, I felt it was neccessary to shed some light on the matter. Which I did.



Teal'auc

[weilandsmith]

I am not slinging a mud. In fact Admin was emailed and I hope things will get sorted in fair way. The best course would be if smooshable realized his wrongs and would learn to communicate with his team and cooperate with them. If he would learn to listen to them. The mod team itself had many interesting insights, yet smooshable decided to distance himself from the team and work on his own pace... to cause this mess and situation of unfairness.

If he preaches democracy, it needs to go both sides. Not just his side and others just blindly following him like sheeps. People usually don't like to just follow blindly.

Now.. poll about smooshable's dismissal sounds like public lynching... and I don't like that. Smooshable did mistakes, yes, but I don't think he deserves something like that. This is probably between him, mod team and us. Hence why I hope this will be addressed very soon. Originally I hoped it would not come to topic in public section, but when it was addressed, I felt it was neccessary to shed some light on the matter. Which I did.



Teal'auc

that's good teal'auc. glad to hear that you are not motivated by revenge. your motives are purely for the sake of justice. in this, people can support you. for your sake, and all of admin including mods, we hope that this is resolved as soon as possible.

[GeneralChaos]

Emailing admin was pointless he wont step in here, last time this kicked off he let smoosh do whatever he wanted to.

If you want smooshable removed, then set up a poll. involve the whole community.

Would never be allowed to be posted, you cant even use the "other" sgw forums cause the admin over there is a supermod here, so its pointless, so really if you want to use these forums u just have to put up with the BS crap mods they have, yup the ones who break the rules everyday, but tell others not to, and there answer to it if you dont like it is, dont come back.

Nothing will ever change here, and it wont until the admins are stripped and replaced with people that can actually run a forum, not just appoint who sucks up most to them on msn.

[Mystake]

FYI Smooshable is personel admin... he picks the mod team at his discretion.

FACT.


Smooshable is the ADMINISTRATOR.

FACT.


ADMINISTRATORS are at the top of the food chain.

FACT.


Smooshable doesn't preach democracy. He chooses to allow it - Because he can prevent it or allow it at his choice.

FACT.

[Teal'auc of the Void]

Being an admin does not give you right to do whatever you want. Not in game community... otherwise this game community will fade sooner or later. A good admin should be fair and open-minded to suggestions both from mod team AND community. If they only follow their own selfish agendas and disregard everyone, it won't work well...



Teal'auc