The Owned Alliance, a point of view

[S1eepy]

Wow ammazing another hypocrate comes to flame Owned.

How exactly am I a hypocrate?

throwing out most insults, knowing full well that and every part of your "opinion" is an insult and can easily bring on a flame war here.

i see you have taken my opinions as an attack on you.
It is simply my point of view... what I have seen of owned from these forums and from in game.
If you find that offensive to your alliance, then maybe its your alliance which needs to show a different side of itself?

The larger players in quantum are good at rising above the "Owned Problem" and getting on with their waves. Each person does this differently.. by being friends with Kikaz.. or not farming Owned.. or, as I have done, just ignore them and treat them like every1 else, and dealing with whatever came my way.. which wasn't much.. if I'm honest.

Define "larger player" then I'll reply to this paragraph, because all I would do right now is flame it badly.

"by larger players" i was meaning those who do well on a regular basis, see top 20 legends for examples.

MY OPINION is that Owned recruit anyone..

Wrong, ask anyone who has ever been in Owned. there are certain requirements I make to keep people in the alliance, if they cant keep up then they are removed and 99% of the time arent let back into the alliance.
Before this wave, EVERY single wave, membership to the alliance was closed PERIOD after the 2nd week of the wave.

So, within the first two weeks of a wave anyone can join. after that its internal owned affairs, which I see nothing of, therefore it didn't affect MY opinion, which comes from what I have seen of Owned.
Now I know that your recruitment at the start is then streamlined to take out the weak members; but I would image it takes out the inactive members within your ranks, but is not as aggressive as omegas requirements. So my opinion is unchanged, but comes from a different angle =)
Omega is just an example, as i know they had a fairly tough requirements last wave.

If you have a problem with how you are perceived - then you should try to change it. Or accept it. But do not complain when people express their opionions, when they clearly explain the reasons for them. You can try to change their opinion by showing them how the reasons for them are wrong (as above with your recruitment)
But this thread was for people to express their opinions of owned...

[mikgamer1]

How is saying a player only does good at the start of the wave NOT an insult when it's obviously not true for most/all of the people you directed it at. It's not only an insult but slander...which i'm sure both of which are against the forum rules of which you should know by heart.

[S1eepy]

My opinion on that is based on the fact I have not seen any of the members play as well during the middle and end of the wave as others. Therefore I rank them as "good" players at the start, and then "normal" players for the rest of the wave. The fact I have not seen them play well in mid / end could be due to the style of play they adopt.. massing etc.

I did not mean to imply you or any1 were a BAD player at any part of the wave;
at worst, I was saying you are afraid of testing your own ability

If you re-read my 1st post i think you will see you got the wrong end of the stick, i hope this explains it better for you.

[Kikaz]

"by larger players" i was meaning those who do well on a regular players, see top 20 legends for examples.

That sentence made no sense, "those who do well on a regular players".
As for the top 20 legends, half of those names are retired, a few are in my alliance, the few that remain have been friends for a very long time...

Before this was ever seen as the "Owned. Problem".

If you find that offensive to your alliance, then maybe its your alliance which needs to show a different side of itself?

Just because a handfull of the players that play Quantum do not like my alliance doesnt mean im going to change my alliance. If someone disagrees with it rather than cry about it on forums do something ingame.

[S1eepy]

"by larger players" i was meaning those who do well on a regular players, see top 20 legends for examples.

That sentence made no sense

re-read it, and it took 2 reads for it to sound like it did in my head, and Players was supposed to say Basis (edit prev post)
let me reword it.

Larger players = players who do well, regularly. such as those on top of quantum total glory

Just because a handfull of the players that play Quantum do not like my alliance doesnt mean im going to change my alliance.

I did not ask you to change, i simply stated my opinion of Owned, and the reasons behind it when required. If my opinions bothers you.. it is up to you to do something about it. Or ignore it



OH and mikgamer, can i bring your attention back to this?

Wow ammazing another hypocrate comes to flame Owned.

How exactly am I a hypocrite?


because i do not appreciate being called a hypocrite for no reason

[mikgamer1]

Off the top of my head...Kikaz finished top 10 old school wave...Ken owned the 1-1/2 gambling waves...thats not even checking the legends page...I don't know a wave that I atleast semi-played in that Owned. was not able to mass any account that they wanted to.

That may not be a dirrect reply to what you were posting, but I think it's good enough .

[S1eepy]

So your arguing that owned members can do well all wave? when they want to.

1st off, the 1st gambling wave was stupid.. and I won it.. and even i know it was a waste of time. the 2nd gambling wave was less stupid, but not as competitive as the rest of the waves. But i do concede your point, as while playing against Ken, i saw his ability and drive. So the generalization I made of owned (that none of them do well all wave) does not hold true for all members.

But again.. please say why you think me a hypocrite? If you do not, then please state that you don't. I don't like slurs such as that on my name.

[mikgamer1]

My first and second posts in this topic, put those together . For those too lazy to go back...sleepy says, in mod color, no flaming and what not(no that is not the exact quote but that is what he said basicly, keep it clean lol). But in his post he said Owned. can't do good all wave, which I know they can even if most of the time the legends does not show it. So in my mind I considered that flame or slander or whatever you may call it, the very thing you didn't want anyone else posting in this topic, and thus by definition is hypocricy .

But unlike everyone else posting thier opinions about Owned. you actualy can controll you emotions and have a civilized discussion which I thank you for after everyone else who posted bad about Owned. before you recently.

[Mercury Rising]

I believe that mikgamer is warmongering yet again.

i.e

Re-wording Sleepy's Opinion a few times, and then using it to flame him in a way that looks as if he wishes to gain attention from it by promoting it in a deeper shade of light.
END OPINION

[mikgamer1]

So when is MR getting warned for constant spammiing, flaming and attempting to provoke even more flame?

-edit- I'm not even going to bother making a new post as that would be spam.

So why only can you try to have a discussion with me that would only end up flaming each other? Can't handle a mature one? Let me know when you grow up and can have a civil discussion with me please.

[Mercury Rising]

Mikgamer

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My posts 108

So with your current attitude with your accusations towards my posts and many other posts, a lot less sooner then you. So quit continuing to flame please

edit-Well if your talking civil, then you still owe sleepy an apology for calling him hypocritical. In terms of what sleepy meant, the definition of hypocritical conflicts with that of the definition of opinion, and sleepy clearly stated that it was only that.

[Eisen Feuer]

In my opinion, Mikgamer is a prime example of a war-monger.

Tiny account.

Large mouth.

And someone who thrives, on flaming.

For example. Re-wording Sleepy's Opinion a few times, and then using it to flame him in a way that looks as if he wishes to gain attention from it by promoting it in a deeper shade of light.
END OPINION

Btw, you wont change my opinion on this Sonny-Jim, at least not for a while.

Hehehe my QGW account is tiny now after getting massed but I dont have a big mouth. Most people tend to like me for my simplistic lets have fun attitude!

Btw for those wanting to know I am not some little child that just like to get everyone to be nice and play the game. I really like it when people rough things up! I just think at a certain point everyone needs to stop accusing people of what they believe the person was saying. Like Sleepy intended whatever he said as what he is trying to point out and telling him no that "thats not what you meant you stupid mod" it doesnt help anyone! I believe you cant decipher someones message to what you want it to say! If he says this is what I meant by it...ACCEPT IT!

I mean I don't post as much as many of you people on this forum...and perhaps I am going out of my way trying to be the "good guy" make everyone happy type thing! But can't you all just try having some respect for one another and yourselves!

I mean I am a veteran of this game! Perhaps not QW in particular but I have been playing Main for three years! My account has been massed multiple times! I have been in wars that totally destroyed peoples trust with one another and eventually ended the alliance! But not once have I said a disrespectful word on forum or in game! You can ask the Kilkaz and those that massed me from Owned. The only messages I sent were positive and respectful! Some of you I know have morals and values similar to mine and to allow a game to shatter your morals is just saddening! I wish you all would just have fun ingame and stop the constant blame game and bickering!

That is all I have to say!
Eisen Feuer

[Mercury Rising]

I like this guy, hes even convinced me to delete any potential insults from my last post

Whats happening to me

[Zhar]

let me remind you on something:

Mercury Rising Zhar It on Like donkey kong Jun 06, 2008 reply delete save

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BRING IT. I dont play for rank. I dont care for losses. You will be taught.

now stop crying. you don't play for rank! you don't care for losses! taught us!

[Mercury Rising]

so you know my plan do you lol