WTH? america has 2 constitutions!

[Donovan5]

God I hate the taste of political cool-aid....

What a load of crap

[[KMA]Avenger]

God I hate the taste of political cool-aid....

What a load of crap

and you would be educated enough to know what the hell your talking about?

nobody asked you to tear yourself away from the TV and all the spin so go sit down before your brain hearts.

I prefer the system we have in Britain of not actually having a single, codified constitution.

But yes, as someone's pointed out, the American system does work well.

I prefer to have my freedoms, and cops that are not terrified of shadows. Thanks.

Even if you do subscribe to the bleeding heart view that civil liberties are on the decline in Britain, I still don't think the US of A can take too greater a moral high ground on the issue.

Bleeding heart?


As for the US versus Britain, you seriously believe that the US isn't much better then Britain on the issue of civil liberties? Not to say that we're not loosing ours on a near daily basis, we are, it's just no where near as bad as that in the UK.

i agree with what you say jack but my feeling is if you live in a "FREE" country any encroachment on that freedom by government MUST be resisted at all costs...

to quote Ben Franklin..."anyone who gives up a little liberty for a little security deserves neither liberty nor security"


or words to that affect

[Juliette]

God I hate the taste of political cool-aid....

What a load of crap

and you would be educated enough to know what the hell your talking about?

nobody asked you to tear yourself away from the TV and all the spin so go sit down before your brain hearts.

Careful mate.. you're on the verge of breaking a few social rules there, suggesting you're so much better than the average person. I don't say you're not, but honestly, such claims are not yours to make.

Nor is it your place to make illogical and ill-willed assumptions concerning someone's personal life, sir.
I know being stonewalled is frustrating, but don't you take it out on your audience again, or you'll hit a warning. >_<
Are we clear?

[[KMA]Avenger]

God I hate the taste of political cool-aid....

What a load of crap

and you would be educated enough to know what the hell your talking about?

nobody asked you to tear yourself away from the TV and all the spin so go sit down before your brain hearts.

Careful mate.. you're on the verge of breaking a few social rules there, suggesting you're so much better than the average person. I don't say you're not, but honestly, such claims are not yours to make.

Nor is it your place to make illogical and ill-willed assumptions concerning someone's personal life, sir.
I know being stonewalled is frustrating, but don't you take it out on your audience again, or you'll hit a warning. >_<
Are we clear?

erm...i dont think i'm better than anybody, in fact i welcome ANY opinion so long as it is not in such a hostile manner and if someone knows better than me i welcome the chance to learn something new.


good enough?

[Juliette]

Definitely, and I applaud that attitude.
Still, please refrain from making insulting assumptions concerning someone's education etcetera, that would go a long way to having a civilised discussion, even if your 'opponents' are a little less verbally inclined.

[[KMA]Avenger]

Definitely, and I applaud that attitude.
Still, please refrain from making insulting assumptions concerning someone's education etcetera, that would go a long way to having a civilized discussion, even if your 'opponents' are a little less verbally inclined.

cool and...ok

[[KMA]Avenger]

not if i can help it mate, thats why attended the demonstration outside the houses of parliament.

[Donovan5]

God I hate the taste of political cool-aid....

What a load of crap

and you would be educated enough to know what the hell your talking about?

nobody asked you to tear yourself away from the TV and all the spin so go sit down before your brain hearts.

Wow someone needs to chill. Attacks like that are just sad about someone you've never talked to before

I watch things such as these with an open mind and a heavy grain of salt.

Conspiracy theories and loads of bunk like this have been around for years. Loose change-9/11? Zeitgeist? Hell even Al Gore's global warming cool-aid. The third gunman and the grassy knoll. Take what you want from them but it's painfully skewed.

Oh as for the crap they play on the "news"? I can only take about 5 mins of it....

[[KMA]Avenger]

God I hate the taste of political cool-aid....

What a load of crap

and you would be educated enough to know what the hell your talking about?

nobody asked you to tear yourself away from the TV and all the spin so go sit down before your brain hearts.

Wow someone needs to chill. Attacks like that are just sad about someone you've never talked to before

I watch things such as these with an open mind and a heavy grain of salt.

Conspiracy theories and loads of bunk like this have been around for years. Loose change-9/11? Zeitgeist? Hell even Al Gore's global warming cool-aid. The third gunman and the grassy knoll. Take what you want from them but it's painfully skewed.

Oh as for the crap they play on the "news"? I can only take about 5 mins of it....

well i can respect that opinion a hell of allot more than your previous post...

look, you don't have to agree with me, thats fine i really dont have a problem with that and from what you say i assume you know that government has gone off the rails and your as displeased with it as i am and MANY others as well and there is nothing wrong in adding your voice to those who are as disheartened as you and i...

you don't have to buy into any conspiracy to be peed at the state of world affairs

[Donovan5]

God I hate the taste of political cool-aid....

What a load of crap

and you would be educated enough to know what the hell your talking about?

nobody asked you to tear yourself away from the TV and all the spin so go sit down before your brain hearts.

Wow someone needs to chill. Attacks like that are just sad about someone you've never talked to before

I watch things such as these with an open mind and a heavy grain of salt.

Conspiracy theories and loads of bunk like this have been around for years. Loose change-9/11? Zeitgeist? Hell even Al Gore's global warming cool-aid. The third gunman and the grassy knoll. Take what you want from them but it's painfully skewed.

Oh as for the crap they play on the "news"? I can only take about 5 mins of it....

well i can respect that opinion a hell of allot more than your previous post...

look, you don't have to agree with me, thats fine i really dont have a problem with that and from what you say i assume you know that government has gone off the rails and your as displeased with it as i am and MANY others as well and there is nothing wrong in adding your voice to those who are as disheartened as you and i...

you don't have to buy into any conspiracy to be peed at the state of world affairs

I do agree that my first reaction was visceral and could have been put better. The lovely part of varying viewpoints is what makes life interesting.

The fall of governmental morals is quite sad and as badly as people want to point at the US gov for this, the evidence can be seen in just about every country. "Absolute power corrupts..." blah blah blah and has been shown through generations of "civil servants" (another term that makes me want to vomit). The needs to be a return to a truer form of democracy than what we practice now. The politicians rally for their own causes largley leaving what the people really want by the wayside.

Personally I think the world has enough problems without someone pissing into the wind and splattering everyone with their pointless propoganda. I see this as another way to instill fear, fear leads to control which is really what these types of people that make movies are after. Ironically, all governments lead by fear, just some governments are more subtle than ones like Iran and China

[[KMA]Avenger]

not if i can help it mate, thats why attended the demonstration outside the houses of parliament.

Peacefully demonstrating and protesting would be playing by their rules(rules they've set out for you) and only serves to help them. As I've said before, the only victories that come from protesters, are temporary "band-aid" victories. You're not stopping them, but merely slowing them down. Hell the recent supreme court decision -while it appeared to be a true victory- was only a temporary set back, which may have even opened the doors for other types of equally restrictive gun control laws(only time will tell what happens, and there hasn't been enough time yet).

For example the DC mayor said that the ban on all semi automatic hand guns will remain in place, so in reality the court's decision really didn't do much to change the laws there.

ok, i get what your saying but sadly until our leaders (both US and UK) really push to hard, people wont do anything...

we get the thin end of the wedge (which softens us up for the thick end) and we moan and when the thick end finally comes along we moan a bit more because the thin end has already desensitized us and people can more readily accept the way things are.

The fall of governmental morals is quite sad and as badly as people want to point at the US gov for this

i'm not trying to blame America for the way the world is today, i hope thats NOT how i have come across...

in fact i blame the UK allot more for the way things are simply because much of Americas problems stem from the English banking system which Andrew Jackson (as well as other presidents) fought against so hard and its a damn shame that the monopoly of a central bank took root in the states again and its even more shameful that no president has the guts to declare the fed a criminal organization and shut the thing down.

who was it who said they wished they had written it into the US constitution to take away the power of government to borrow money?

or something along those lines.

[Phoenix of Terra]

Having read a little more on the starting of the US (AP US History this year has got me doing summer hw), I'm cynically laughing at everyone who thinks the Founding Fathers actually cared about the common person, considering the acceptance of slavery, the restrictions for the elections of President (electoral college was originally supposed to keep the masses from having a vote) and the Senate (initially appointed by state legislatures), the restrictions on voting rights (originally white males who owned a certain amount of property), etc etc...

And people act like they were gods, not guys who managed to get a lot of things right.

[[KMA]Avenger]

Having read a little more on the starting of the US (AP US History this year has got me doing summer hw), I'm cynically laughing at everyone who thinks the Founding Fathers actually cared about the common person, considering the acceptance of slavery, the restrictions for the elections of President (electoral college was originally supposed to keep the masses from having a vote) and the Senate (initially appointed by state legislatures), the restrictions on voting rights (originally white males who owned a certain amount of property), etc etc...

And people act like they were gods, not guys who managed to get a lot of things right.

nobody is saying they were perfect, i leave perfection to God, but they must have had some respect and care for the common man otherwise you wouldn't have the constitution and bill of rights.

[[KMA]Avenger]

ok, i get what your saying but sadly until our leaders (both US and UK) really push to hard, people wont do anything...

we get the thin end of the wedge (which softens us up for the thick end) and we moan and when the thick end finally comes along we moan a bit more because the thin end has already desensitized us and people can more readily accept the way things are.

See that's just it, all your doing is being the tool they use to desensitize the people.


I say the best thing to do is just to leave it alone and let them get in over their heads. All you're really doing is telling them when the water is too hot.

i really do understand what it is your saying but i cant get 1 quote out of my head...the only thing evil needs to flourish is for good people to do nothing...

its a catch 22 situation.

[[KMA]Avenger]

maybe thats why theres not enough support, everyone sees it as someone else's cause when the cause should be everyones equally