[Un]natural Selection?

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[Un]natural Selection?

With the estimations of having a world population reaching the 10 billions by the end of this century, there has to be measures taken. This is the result of some topics coming from this & that, that I came up with that.
Some will bring crazy ideas like select a certain type of people and wipe the rest. It's unacceptable. Some others will say, it's horrible to do anything there, noone has right to do anything about it, then they'll realize their mistake when world will collapse.
So we are infront of surviving of the planet and also political correctness. How to find a solution that meets BOTH of them?
It's easy.
European Union, Japan, Australia and Russia are surely not "guilty" in the growth. Some of them have almost negative population growth. Principal "guilty" ones are south Asia, Central Asia, Africa and South America.
What caracterize them? High born rates, high but decreasing death rates, growing up life lasting, not for all. So death rate decreases, and as good as it sounds, it has also bad effects: population sky rockets.
Help coming from "Western" Countries is big part of that developpement.
I've came up with an idea.
Unlike that thing being all given nothing giving, how about making them a deal like:
"If you decrease your birth rates to below 2.2 children by family, we'll give more help to develop and increase your health systems and eventually economy. However, if you carry on with >3/family, we'll stop every aid and you'll have to deal with it".
Sounds unfair?
Think a bit.
They make the population grow to a level we'll not be able to feed people anymore.
They'll screw their own countries food reserves as their countries aren't always a good weather to keep growing up cultures.
By having that much children, the aid is less effective, so it condemns all of them, by giving almost no help because too much are around, and giving more would be silly, for above reasons, IF those countries don't do efforts of course. If they do, they'll deserve more help, as a "gift", BUT will have to keep under or on the ~2.2/family.

So it's a less strict idea than China's one about birth, find myself one child per family is bit exagerated sometimes, so 2.2 is good, not saying your third one will have his/her hands/legs cut OF COURSE, just like average would be that. Majority of 2/family, some 1/family, and few 3/family.

My system would give better results as fewer poeple would be there, more effective feeding, more effective schools (not crazy amounts of people per class etc).

Let's talk on it, if you don't understand anything, ask away :)
That would probably solve the problem of crazy growth. To decrease world population however, that's too much risky thing to talk about, I prefer to remain on decreasing alot the growth! ;)


"Help us, and we'll help you", is the idea's slogan, from rich countries to poor one, make less children, and then we'll help you develop your economy and help your EXISTING people, BUT NO crossing of the limit, otherwise, all goes away.

Why this title?
To find an alternate "less radical" solution to the problem, which is political correct.
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You need families to have at least 3 children each in order for the population to minorly fluctuate between small growth/stagnation/small decrease.

Why 3?
Well 2 is obvious, and the extra one to cover for the people who don't plan/cannot make a family, deaths from all kinds of accidents, sicknesses etc.

Anyways the world and current technological advancements are able to easily sustain up to 10 bil (can't remember links and articles i've read this) people. The only issue today is armaments.
The world spends on armaments in one SINGLE WEEK the amount it would cost to buy food for the whole world for a whole year.

Anyone know this short story about a world where the population of the USA was about 250 mil, average lifespan around 180 years and in order for a child to be let to live someone else had to die (in whatever way) or agree to die in their place?
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i heard recently that we could fit every man woman and child into the state of texas and everyone could have 1 acre of land to themselves :shock:

i also know that food production can currently feed 13.5 billion people and yet people are starving all over the world :?
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[KMA]Avenger wrote:i heard recently that we could fit every man woman and child into the state of texas and everyone could have 1 acre of land to themselves :shock:

i also know that food production can currently feed 13.5 billion people and yet people are starving all over the world :?


I've heard the same thing on everyone fitting into Texas.

Not to sound like a crackpot, but the food shortage is a contrived situation, Problem, reaction, Solution from the elite puppet masters.

Anyone who denies that there is a world shadow government manipulating everything is really not looking at the facts that are there for all to see.

The NWO is a very real thing, what with the EU consolidating power, and the coming NAU, African Union & Asia Union, The pyramid of power & control is nearly complete.

Google Endgame, Freedom to Fascism, Esoteric Agenda and you'll get the idea.

I consider myself to be logical and level headed, and this S*** scares the hell out of me.

The UK clearly has become a police state, some are saying that we put China to shame with all the Big Brother CCTV all over the place, with new laws of insanity coming out of the EU on a daily bases, I believe their plans are to tax and fine us to death, I believe this is called soft fascism.

Truth is the world is getting scarier by the day, and what gets to me the most is the peoples inability to confront these issues. :?
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i agree on every single one of your points...to bad others cant see the same even when it lands on them.

i've seen those films and many more, their all excellently made and all have been highly researched and in some cases took years to make, "the corporation" is case in point which took 7 years to make and won a tonne of awards and rightly so.
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It's NOT about big brother stories here people on that topic...it's about HOW to DECREASE GROWTH of population with a political correct way. To AVOID EXCESS of population.
Growth HAS to STOP.
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we have enough room and we have enough food so why does it have to stop?

not trying to hijack your topic mate :P
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[KMA]Avenger wrote:we have enough room and we have enough food so why does it have to stop?

not trying to hijack your topic mate :P

No we don't have enough room.
Unless of course there are plans to build buildings in the toundra or Sahara, or erase totally the Amazonian forrest (would be pretty stupid to get rid of it, but they do it, and we'll regret it later, for sure)....there's NOT enough room for that much people.
I think people don't realize what having 3 BILLION more people means.
If nothing is done, Earth will be dead by end of this century. Unless people want it to become like in The Fifth Element for our descendance?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119116/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Element
for anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about...
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jim, if every man woman and child could all fit in the state of texas with 1 acre of land to themselves and we can feed 13.5 billion people with the food production as it is now then how can we not fit them in and feed them? :?
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[KMA]Avenger wrote:jim, if every man woman and child could all fit in the state of texas with 1 acre of land to themselves and we can feed 13.5 billion people with the food production as it is now then how can we not fit them in and feed them? :?

That is the same as the building towers in the toundra way to go.
We could build Petronas alike towers all over the world to store over 50bil people...does that make it a fine world? Don't think so!
Just because you can store people and feed them (taking away the forrests and nature to get more and more cultures space, that follows my says as I expected), doesn't mean the world will not go down.
Again, I didn't mention Fifth Element for nothing. They were fed, and had a home. Did the Earth look good there? They weren't even able to walk on ground of city because it was full of pollution!
So yes, population has to decrease, or stop growing at least! :)
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Slowly kill off everyone by raising the criteria for being allowed to live.
Replace the lost workforce with mechanised farms and factories etcetera.
Only the most fit survive, as it should be. Natural selection, forced (so unnatural, yes) upon humanity.
It's doing it to itself right now as well by pollution and wars and crap, so don't tell me that's an immoral idea. >_<


As for everyone fitting into Texas, that is a mathematical idiocy of the highest order. Is Texas' size over 6 billion acres? Hell no.
167,690,880 acres. That's the size of Texas' landmass.
Every person? Man, woman and child? 6 billion, safe estimate.
Everyone one acre to themselves? 6 billion acres.
Sorry.. but we're missing 5.8 billion acres.
So no.. that ship won't fly. Believe that everyone fits into Texas like that, and damn, you just proved yourself to believe just about everything. Next thing you know, the Earth is the centre of the Universe.
You talk about studying.. then study the damn mathematics.
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Lois Lane wrote:Slowly kill off everyone by raising the criteria for being allowed to live.
Replace the lost workforce with mechanised farms and factories etcetera.
Only the most fit survive, as it should be. Natural selection, forced (so unnatural, yes) upon humanity.
It's doing it to itself right now as well by pollution and wars and crap, so don't tell me that's an immoral idea. >_<

I'm saying this to have a better world to live in...both for nature, and humans. Slowly decrease growth...and we'll find solutions later. Acceptable ones, though.
Not some Terminator-like world.
G's idea (and anyone else believing we can stand such high population) leads to The Fifth Element.
Yours, leads to Terminator, or similar movies.
Giving intelligence to machines and most roles, and you'll slowly give them control...and end with something like in Terminator.

Both of your ideas lead to chaos, mine, doesn't! 8)
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[KMA]Avenger wrote:jim, if every man woman and child could all fit in the state of texas with 1 acre of land to themselves and we can feed 13.5 billion people with the food production as it is now then how can we not fit them in and feed them? :?

That is the same as the building towers in the toundra way to go.
We could build Petronas alike towers all over the world to store over 50bil people...does that make it a fine world? Don't think so!
Just because you can store people and feed them (taking away the forrests and nature to get more and more cultures space, that follows my says as I expected), doesn't mean the world will not go down.
Again, I didn't mention Fifth Element for nothing. They were fed, and had a home. Did the Earth look good there? They weren't even able to walk on ground of city because it was full of pollution!
So yes, population has to decrease, or stop growing at least! :)



jim your not paying attention...

right now you can take 6.5 billion people and put them into the american state of texas and give all 6.5 billion people 1 acre of land to live on and you can feed every single one of those 6.5 billion people twice over...

who is talking about cutting down forests and packing people in?

i live in a fairly large house with a big front garden and avery big back garden but it doesnt cover 1 acre.

if someone said we are moving you (me) to the state of texas and we will give you 1 acre of land and give you 2 times more food than you can eat me and my family will be on the next plane out there...

you coming or what?
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[KMA]Avenger wrote:jim, if every man woman and child could all fit in the state of texas with 1 acre of land to themselves and we can feed 13.5 billion people with the food production as it is now then how can we not fit them in and feed them? :?

That is the same as the building towers in the toundra way to go.
We could build Petronas alike towers all over the world to store over 50bil people...does that make it a fine world? Don't think so!
Just because you can store people and feed them (taking away the forrests and nature to get more and more cultures space, that follows my says as I expected), doesn't mean the world will not go down.
Again, I didn't mention Fifth Element for nothing. They were fed, and had a home. Did the Earth look good there? They weren't even able to walk on ground of city because it was full of pollution!
So yes, population has to decrease, or stop growing at least! :)



jim your not paying attention...

right now you can take 6.5 billion people and put them into the american state of texas and give all 6.5 billion people 1 acre of land to live on and you can feed every single one of those 6.5 billion people twice over...

who is talking about cutting down forests and packing people in?

i live in a fairly large house with a big front garden and avery big back garden but it doesnt cover 1 acre.

if someone said we are moving you (me) to the state of texas and we will give you 1 acre of land and give you 2 times more food than you can eat me and my family will be on the next plane out there...

you coming or what?

Auriel summed up the Texas thing.
Noone said cutting forests to pack people in, buildings are built in desertic areas, however, cultures to keep feeding going, need to be done somewhere, since US is almost all cultures, it has to be done elsewhere...so, my point was right.
And take into account growth of Sao Paulo, Lagos, New Delhi etc...it's suffocating! My plan would give them some fresh air: stopped growth, stopping expension.
Not only pollution problem, but space problem.
Take into account ANOTHER thing. More growth= more people=...more jobs needed!
The era of industrial chain and Chaplin's Modern Times are gone, Nike factories etc...solution is it?
Think about that, people don't need only a place to live and things to be fed..where put extra cultures? How find extra job? Extra pollution? And many other things.
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sorry jim i wont read or even entertain any comment about population reduction and Nazi style eugenics...


i'm leaving this thread, have fun.
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