some question as to the validety of conspiracys and....

[S0lid Snake]

nice post phoenix.

Drachenstein didnt you loose all credability for insisting there was an armada heading for iran? then you admitted it was a hoax that you had so strongly believed from. it was just some stupid lie made up by another person that you believed in.

i looked the iran armada up and i found many sources backing the theory up. none were credible though. you search for the incredible sources lol you fail at truth. i am selective about believeing whats told to me. im not blind, you are. you fail.

kma didnt you confirm the armada was real aswel. guess the conspiracy club has lost what little credability they had. btw ill post about your points. all of which i have more sensible explanations for.

take off your tinfoil hats and give up. you fail

There are still ships heading there, just not as many as stated, the individual article was removed from the source I saw it in. Doesn't mean nothing happening.

I heard a saying today "loose lips sink ships" this would be the same in this situation, governments also disseminate misinformation to throw their enemies off the scent. It's a well known tactic.

Listen. In all seriousness, I do think there are things going on which we should be informed about, don't you feel better knowing that if some thing does happen people like me are watching out for everybody including yourself.

I may not get everything right no one perfect.

I will create a more detailed response for the points raised in my last post.

I was typing on the fly and didn't give the most detail examples. I will reply once only, as I got drawn into point for point earlier and that just ends badly, I'm not going to try a hard sell on people that are not interested.

But all joking aside, please have some respect for me as a person, I do have feelings you know.

I fully admit that I could be wrong in fact I hope I'm wrong, for me, for my family, for you and yours. I am a human being and have compassion for all peoples who might suffer under tyranny.

We live in uncertain times and the world can be a very scary place. Our freedoms are fragile and need to be protected at all costs, as we may never get them back should we lose them. If a little flak has to be endured on my part, then so be it, as I said it is the price I must pay for being ever vigilant.

I hope you can understand this. Plus it's fun to speculate sometimes.

And always remember, stranger things have happen.

Peace V.

[urogard]

what he just said

especially the last part

[semper]

I am going to say two things for this topic.

Firstly miss direction - things are never as simple as they seem.

Secondly formerly 'secret' documents, trained chimps of the government and politicians. Am I the only one that had a good laugh at that connection?

[[KMA]Avenger]

14. The NAU & the Amero.

Theories by a Canadian economist, with no official actions taken on either. Canada and Mexico will not abide by it, because US would dominate and marginalize their sovereignty.

wrong because the NAU would become a branch of the UN and the NAU constitution would trounce and supersede the US constitution and its courts....

has anyone even bothered to read the NAU constitution?

what gives anyone the impression that america would be a member state in the NAU?

the US will be swallowed by the NAU.

@liquid, what sources would you say are credible...fox, cnn???

this is how fox reports news...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lptVAbw5oos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KU02lsfH8

liquid, if you have no intention of at least watching those clips then please don't comment on them because you will be talking from a point of ignorance and i don't fancy wasting my breath trying to discuss something with you when you wont know what the hell i am talking about thereby reinforcing this self delusional world you live in.

you people may say that its youtube and unreliable but you can clearly see that it has not be tampered with or cut in a way which would put fox in a bad light, they do enough bad and false reporting to put themselves in a bad light without anyone elses help.
the trouble comes when people sit in front of their TV's and because they don't understand how the news is twisted to get people to think the way they want you to think, take the conflict in south ossetia for instance, we have had nothing but lies from all the major media outlets (including papers), all of them report that girogia is a victim when in fact this has been building up in secret for many months.

russia has been increasingly surrounded by US,israeli and NATO forces and then russia attacks these forces in self defense after they themselves were attacked and its reported in the west that russia is the aggressor...

so in conclusion i would sooner trust an independently made documentary and a clip on youtube than anything that comes out of the TV or the daily rags.

again i ask, what sources are credible in your opinion?

Avenger, I just like to say. Where is your proof? Because all you are doing at the moment is shooting your mouth off that 9/11 was just some big conspiracy.

everything i have said about 9/11 is documented and video taped fact which you can find anywhere on the net...

so how much more proof do you need when its all been reported on the TV and by the eyewitnesses and survivors of the 9/11 event?

[Kieltyka]

everything i have said about 9/11 is documented and video taped fact which you can find anywhere on the net...

so how much more proof do you need when its all been reported on the TV and by the eyewitnesses and survivors of the 9/11 event?

Well some people do not want to stream through hours of your BS Youtube videos.

You know it pains me when I hear people assuming 9/11 was a inside job done by our government and then they would believe everything from the first nutcase that says it is and "has" proof.

this is how fox reports news...

You should see how CNN reports, they cannot go a second without sending out a personal attack at Bush. Not only that they're a perfect example of making **Filtered** assumptions

russia has been increasingly surrounded by US,israeli and NATO forces and then russia attacks these forces in self defense after they themselves were attacked and its reported in the west that russia is the aggressor...

I won't argue with that. President Saakashvili was quick to get on TV and cry about how Russia is the aggressor and make him look like the victim. Then he goes off criticizing America and how they are not doing "a good enough" job and saying that we are partly to blame. Then I see him on CNN sucking up.

[urogard]

this is how fox reports news...

You should see how CNN reports, they cannot go a second without sending out a personal attack at Bush. Not only that they're a perfect example of making **Filtered** assumptions

So just because CNN does not report accurately either does it make the blatant lies spread by fox news any more accurate?

[Kieltyka]

I do not care about FOX news, and I cannot stand CNN news. So what where do I get my news from? BCC world wide news . . .

[urogard]

I do not care about FOX news, and I cannot stand CNN news. So what where do I get my news from? BCC world wide news . . .

doesn't adress the question i posed at all.

[Kieltyka]

So you know, I was not trying to defend FOX news. As I said, I do not care about FOX news. So what does that tell you? Geez . . .

And you really didn't have to quote my entire post specially when your reply was right under it, lol.

[urogard]

So you know, I was not trying to defend FOX news. As I said, I do not care about FOX news. So what does that tell you? Geez . . .

Explicit expressing is the cornerstone of every conversation

And you really didn't have to quote my entire post specially when your reply was right under it, lol.

Well it still saves the person the bother to look for the original post.

[[KMA]Avenger]

everything i have said about 9/11 is documented and video taped fact which you can find anywhere on the net...

so how much more proof do you need when its all been reported on the TV and by the eyewitnesses and survivors of the 9/11 event?

Well some people do not want to stream through hours of your BS Youtube videos.

You know it pains me when I hear people assuming 9/11 was a inside job done by our government and then they would believe everything from the first nutcase that says it is and "has" proof.

what pains me is trying to get people to listen to reason when the evidence is staring them in the face ad they cant see it!

but in reply to the above...how can you dismiss sworn testimony from the survivors and the 9/11 rescuers as "nutcase"?

this drives at the very core of this debate that people witness 1st hand and testify to something and the rest of us call them "nutcases".

what kind of twisted logic is that!?!?

[Kieltyka]

what pains me is trying to get people to listen to reason when the evidence is staring them in the face ad they cant see it!

What evidance? I've heard a lot of conspiracy theories about 9/11 and those conspiracies seem to bother me most, more than the JFK conspiracy, or the moon landing conspiracy, or that the government places tracking beacon on our cavity fillings.

But there are a lot of wacky 9/11 conspiracy theories and you can see why those people are thought to be nutcases. There is a guy that actually thinks that the jumbo jets were remotely controlled from operators at Area 51. And that there were no passengers.

but in reply to the above...how can you dismiss sworn testimony from the survivors and the 9/11 rescuers as "nutcase"?

Don't even try to play that card.

[Iƒrit]

10. The sudden interest in fluoridating the water supply, ask yourself who did this first and what are the effects.

So? Stronger teeth. And after so many people have been drinking it, how come there hasn't been an epidemic of some sort?

I would suggest you look up the side-effects from ingestion

[[KMA]Avenger]

what pains me is trying to get people to listen to reason when the evidence is staring them in the face ad they cant see it!

What evidance? I've heard a lot of conspiracy theories about 9/11 and those conspiracies seem to bother me most, more than the JFK conspiracy, or the moon landing conspiracy, or that the government places tracking beacon on our cavity fillings.

But there are a lot of wacky 9/11 conspiracy theories and you can see why those people are thought to be nutcases. There is a guy that actually thinks that the jumbo jets were remotely controlled from operators at Area 51. And that there were no passengers.

but in reply to the above...how can you dismiss sworn testimony from the survivors and the 9/11 rescuers as "nutcase"?

Don't even try to play that card.

seriously, why not?

i truly dont understand people, a building employee heard explosions coming from the basement area and you say dont play that card, are you SERIOUSLY suggesting ALL the 9/11 survivors and rescuers are lying?

and what about the pentagon, i have seen photos before the impacted part of the pentagon actually collapsed and the hole is only 16 foot wide...wheres the plane?

[Kieltyka]

i truly dont understand people, a building employee heard explosions coming from the basement area . . .

Right, you can rule that out because the building did not start falling from the bottom. And if the guy did hear other explosions, it was probably from the fire. Plus I hope your not getting confused with the 1993 bombing.

and you say dont play that card, are you SERIOUSLY suggesting ALL the 9/11 survivors and rescuers are lying?

Yeah, see that's what I'm talking about. You trying to twist my words around and all this BS as an attempt to make me look bad. Its not going to work and you might as well give it up.

and what about the pentagon, i have seen photos before the impacted part of the pentagon actually collapsed and the hole is only 16 foot wide...wheres the plane?

What photos?