Save the world?

User avatar
semper
The sharp-tongued devil you can't seem to forget...
Posts: 7290
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:24 pm
Race: God
ID: 0
Location: Forever watching...always here...
Contact:

Re: Save the world?

murkar wrote:
Semper wrote:but if they only begin to criticize then the natural implication there is that they are still doing some logical point making, or maybe the criticizing is part of the logical point making or maybe a reaction of a far superior arguer demeaning someone they view and have proven as beneath them.

I agree with your points against Jim, but as for your latter, I do not. You provided the facts I had not the energy to acquire.


I don't mean criticize as in intelligently critique; criticizing as in "that's stupid", "Al Gore is a **Filtered** **Filtered**", etc. without evidence to back it up.


hmmm....
I suppose I can live with that, im not really in an argumentative mood.
Image
Accolades/Titles:
Spoiler
Started Playing: April 2005
Honours (5): Hall of Fame 2009. Annual Awards Host 2008, 2009, 2013, 2014 and 2015.
Winner (12): RP'er of the Year 2008, Runner Up Poster of the Year 2008, Debater of the Year 2008, War of the Year 2008, Poster of the Year 2009, Alliance of the Year 2009 (Nemesis Sect, Creator), Alliance War of the Year 2009 (Nempire vs Mayhem, Instigator), RP'er Runner Up 2009, Knew You'd Be Back 2010, Conflict of the Decade (FUALL v TF), Conflict of the Decade Runner Up (Ga vs TF), Alliance of the Decade (TDD).
Nominated (8): Writer of the year 2007, Avatar of the Year 2007, Poster of the Year 2007, Villain of the Year 2008, Player Sig 2008, Race Player of the Year 2009, Most Missed 2010, Alliance Leadership 2010, Most Missed 2011.
Commands (3): Supreme System Lord 2008, 2010, 2011 and 2012. System Lord Council 2006 - present. Dark Lord and Emperor of the Nempire 2009 - 2011.
Alliances (9): DDE, EA, OSL, TFUR, DDEII, AI, RM, WoB, Nemesis.
Forum Roles (4): Former Misc GM, Race Mod (Goa'uld), Debate forum patriarch and mod.
Kieltyka
Forum Grunt
Posts: 59
Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:12 am
Race: Ancient
ID: 0
Location: United States of America

Re: Save the world?

murkar wrote:I would also like to point out that when people begin to criticize it's because they have no more valid points to argue, and they subconsciously know that they're arguing a false point (I live with a psychologist). *ahem* Kieltyka *ahem*


Oh, talking to me? Well I wasn't arguing a point, haha.
"If the coordinates are for a Goa'uld world which is not on the Abydos cartouche, the Goa'uld will most likely not expect us. I believe a medical attack could be successful." -Teal'c
User avatar
Thriller
Forum Addict
Posts: 2609
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:33 pm
Alliance: Π Allegiance
Race: Replimecator
ID: 0

Re: Save the world?

Global warming has not been proven... More scientist think were going into an ice age than developing a desert climate (btw we did that already in the early cretaceous).

But pollution is becoming a serious health problem in developing nations.

IF i were you id worry more about the 80 % chance of a pandemic in the next 50 years.
Image
Spoiler
Universe wrote:You don't have a case, as Lord Thriller clearly explained.
MajorLeeHurts wrote:^ stole the car and my Booze and my heart * sobs*
Jack wrote: Just wanna be more like you, Master Thriller. :-D
User avatar
murkar
Forum Regular
Posts: 685
Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:36 am
Alliance: Ougatz
Race: System Lords
ID: 0
Location: Beneath the soil
Contact:

Re: Save the world?

I wouldn't. Given the human population compared to the natural population of most species, a pandemic would realign things in our favor.
Image
Image
User avatar
Thriller
Forum Addict
Posts: 2609
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:33 pm
Alliance: Π Allegiance
Race: Replimecator
ID: 0

Re: Save the world?

who's favor?

its not just Asians and poor people who can get sick you know?
Image
Spoiler
Universe wrote:You don't have a case, as Lord Thriller clearly explained.
MajorLeeHurts wrote:^ stole the car and my Booze and my heart * sobs*
Jack wrote: Just wanna be more like you, Master Thriller. :-D
User avatar
murkar
Forum Regular
Posts: 685
Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:36 am
Alliance: Ougatz
Race: System Lords
ID: 0
Location: Beneath the soil
Contact:

Re: Save the world?

Please point out where I specified who would get sick?

I mean us as humans, everyone; there's so many of us we're going to end up wiping ourselves out unless somethign happens to make us fight for survival.
Image
Image
Kieltyka
Forum Grunt
Posts: 59
Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:12 am
Race: Ancient
ID: 0
Location: United States of America

Re: Save the world?

murkar wrote:I mean us as humans, everyone; there's so many of us we're going to end up wiping ourselves out unless somethign happens to make us fight for survival.


Make us fight for survival, as in natural selection? Maybe you could elaborate. Anyways I am pretty sure as a human race we're already trying to do what we can to survive.
"If the coordinates are for a Goa'uld world which is not on the Abydos cartouche, the Goa'uld will most likely not expect us. I believe a medical attack could be successful." -Teal'c
User avatar
Medicus Atrum
Forum Grunt
Posts: 77
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:14 pm
Alliance: Novus Orsa
Race: Goa'uld
ID: 0
Location: The Quantum Gate Room

Re: Save the world?

murkar wrote:First off that's a fairly narrow minded conclusion Legend, and holds no validity whatsoever. Compared to weather patterns from the last 600,000 years the earth has never experienced surges of CO2 even relatively close to half of where we're at now. The CO2 is building, and the temperature will follow, as has been the pattern for over half a million years with the last six ice ages.

And a planet will most definitely not get old over the course of three or four lifetimes; considering that this planet is approximately 4.5Billion years old, even changes over a 300 year period would be like a newborn aging to become the worlds oldest person overnight. The planet is definitely not "getting old", especially not over the course of only .0000000067% of the earths life ( I worked it out, that percent is relatively accurate). To put that in accurate perspective, it's the equivalent of a baby aging 80 years in .0000019564 of a day, or 0.169 seconds (I worked that out also, it's accurately proportional).

According to a NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) press release, "...the solar increases do not have the ability to cause large global temperature increases...greenhouse gases are indeed playing the dominant role..."


~Stanford Center of Solar Research, http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on ... -warm.html.

There are a few things to note here; our CO2 levels have multiplied by more than six times the natural amount that occurs before a warming period (which occurs before an ice age). Of course, there's a problem here. With global temperatures reaching 30 degrees Celsius and above currently, and CO2 levels going up by upwards of 400%, the temperatures can and likely will reach 120 degrees Celsius (not Fahrenheit).

Do you see a problem? Let me put it to you this way: human skin begins to burn at around 60 degrees Celsius, and it takes just one second for that burn to occur. Compared to10 minutes at 49 degrees Celsius, people will surely say "oh, there's no danger".

There's another point to be looked at. Everyone seems to have this gung ho "save the planet" attitude. We aren't saving the planet though; the planet will go on without us, plants and animals will once again come to live on earth after we are all gone, because no matter how harsh global warming gets, we literally can't kill the planet; we can make conditions unlivable for plants and animals, which will eventually come back a few hundred million years from now (which isn't all that much in planetary standards). We can't kill the planet; only ourselves.

Another point to be looked at is the fact that with such a high population it would be extremely easy for a contagious disease to spread at an extremely fast rate. It would be impossible to contain it. 28 days later? Without zombies of course, it's completely possible as soon as the human population gets so large. Especially if it's an airborne virus.

And Avenger I would love for you to link me to that petition so I can verify it's credibility.

I would also like to point out that when people begin to criticize it's because they have no more valid points to argue, and they subconsciously know that they're arguing a false point (I live with a psychologist). *ahem* Kieltyka *ahem*

If you have no valid points to back up an argument then please don't bother making one, it usually tends to be distasteful based on the premise above.




About the surge part at the top, That depends on your time line. Let's say the earth is 600k years old. Not a big spike. But if you compress the data by, say, 10%, and their's a big change. Or something like that, I saw this guy explain everything and it made loads of sense. lol I.E. I don't remember it word for word.

BTW: Global Warming is total, and absolute BS. Sorry if you can't wrap your propaganda-filled-noggin' wit' it, but it's true. Canada agrees, UK agrees, and alot of US scientists agree. Now, You can say they are liars (Like you did), but that's like saying some food you have is rotten, there's alot of food, thus all food I have is rotten.

I'm sorry, actually, I'm not sorry, But your fascist Bull' is retarded.

And as for the car's producing too much CO2, Cows produce more CO2 in one day from passing gas then all the cars in the world do.

So, Maybe you should take your head out of Al Gore's bum and smell the roses.

:evil: *Bad Day Rant* :evil:
~Medicus Atrum__
Image
~Nos Inducas Ex Caelo Et Libera Nos In Malo~
User avatar
semper
The sharp-tongued devil you can't seem to forget...
Posts: 7290
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:24 pm
Race: God
ID: 0
Location: Forever watching...always here...
Contact:

Re: Save the world?

Medicus Atrum wrote:
murkar wrote:First off that's a fairly narrow minded conclusion Legend, and holds no validity whatsoever. Compared to weather patterns from the last 600,000 years the earth has never experienced surges of CO2 even relatively close to half of where we're at now. The CO2 is building, and the temperature will follow, as has been the pattern for over half a million years with the last six ice ages.

And a planet will most definitely not get old over the course of three or four lifetimes; considering that this planet is approximately 4.5Billion years old, even changes over a 300 year period would be like a newborn aging to become the worlds oldest person overnight. The planet is definitely not "getting old", especially not over the course of only .0000000067% of the earths life ( I worked it out, that percent is relatively accurate). To put that in accurate perspective, it's the equivalent of a baby aging 80 years in .0000019564 of a day, or 0.169 seconds (I worked that out also, it's accurately proportional).

According to a NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) press release, "...the solar increases do not have the ability to cause large global temperature increases...greenhouse gases are indeed playing the dominant role..."


~Stanford Center of Solar Research, http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on ... -warm.html.

There are a few things to note here; our CO2 levels have multiplied by more than six times the natural amount that occurs before a warming period (which occurs before an ice age). Of course, there's a problem here. With global temperatures reaching 30 degrees Celsius and above currently, and CO2 levels going up by upwards of 400%, the temperatures can and likely will reach 120 degrees Celsius (not Fahrenheit).

Do you see a problem? Let me put it to you this way: human skin begins to burn at around 60 degrees Celsius, and it takes just one second for that burn to occur. Compared to10 minutes at 49 degrees Celsius, people will surely say "oh, there's no danger".

There's another point to be looked at. Everyone seems to have this gung ho "save the planet" attitude. We aren't saving the planet though; the planet will go on without us, plants and animals will once again come to live on earth after we are all gone, because no matter how harsh global warming gets, we literally can't kill the planet; we can make conditions unlivable for plants and animals, which will eventually come back a few hundred million years from now (which isn't all that much in planetary standards). We can't kill the planet; only ourselves.

Another point to be looked at is the fact that with such a high population it would be extremely easy for a contagious disease to spread at an extremely fast rate. It would be impossible to contain it. 28 days later? Without zombies of course, it's completely possible as soon as the human population gets so large. Especially if it's an airborne virus.

And Avenger I would love for you to link me to that petition so I can verify it's credibility.

I would also like to point out that when people begin to criticize it's because they have no more valid points to argue, and they subconsciously know that they're arguing a false point (I live with a psychologist). *ahem* Kieltyka *ahem*

If you have no valid points to back up an argument then please don't bother making one, it usually tends to be distasteful based on the premise above.




About the surge part at the top, That depends on your time line. Let's say the earth is 600k years old. Not a big spike. But if you compress the data by, say, 10%, and their's a big change. Or something like that, I saw this guy explain everything and it made loads of sense. lol I.E. I don't remember it word for word.

BTW: Global Warming is total, and absolute BS. Sorry if you can't wrap your propaganda-filled-noggin' wit' it, but it's true. Canada agrees, UK agrees, and alot of US scientists agree. Now, You can say they are liars (Like you did), but that's like saying some food you have is rotten, there's alot of food, thus all food I have is rotten.

I'm sorry, actually, I'm not sorry, But your fascist Bull' is retarded.

And as for the car's producing too much CO2, Cows produce more CO2 in one day from passing gas then all the cars in the world do.

So, Maybe you should take your head out of Al Gore's bum and smell the roses.

:evil: *Bad Day Rant* :evil:


Watch it san shine! Lets not go too far. Bad day or not.
:wink:
~Semper
Image
Accolades/Titles:
Spoiler
Started Playing: April 2005
Honours (5): Hall of Fame 2009. Annual Awards Host 2008, 2009, 2013, 2014 and 2015.
Winner (12): RP'er of the Year 2008, Runner Up Poster of the Year 2008, Debater of the Year 2008, War of the Year 2008, Poster of the Year 2009, Alliance of the Year 2009 (Nemesis Sect, Creator), Alliance War of the Year 2009 (Nempire vs Mayhem, Instigator), RP'er Runner Up 2009, Knew You'd Be Back 2010, Conflict of the Decade (FUALL v TF), Conflict of the Decade Runner Up (Ga vs TF), Alliance of the Decade (TDD).
Nominated (8): Writer of the year 2007, Avatar of the Year 2007, Poster of the Year 2007, Villain of the Year 2008, Player Sig 2008, Race Player of the Year 2009, Most Missed 2010, Alliance Leadership 2010, Most Missed 2011.
Commands (3): Supreme System Lord 2008, 2010, 2011 and 2012. System Lord Council 2006 - present. Dark Lord and Emperor of the Nempire 2009 - 2011.
Alliances (9): DDE, EA, OSL, TFUR, DDEII, AI, RM, WoB, Nemesis.
Forum Roles (4): Former Misc GM, Race Mod (Goa'uld), Debate forum patriarch and mod.
User avatar
Medicus Atrum
Forum Grunt
Posts: 77
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:14 pm
Alliance: Novus Orsa
Race: Goa'uld
ID: 0
Location: The Quantum Gate Room

Re: Save the world?

Very sorry. :P
Might have got a bit too carried away there.. :lol:
~Medicus Atrum__
Image
~Nos Inducas Ex Caelo Et Libera Nos In Malo~
User avatar
Cole
Forum History
Posts: 10000
Joined: Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:45 am
Alliance: Generations
Race: System Lord
ID: 7889
Alternate name(s): Legendary Apophis, Apophis The Great, Legendary

Re: Save the world?

If only there was an epidemy whose ONLY effect would be to cause sterility...that way noone would die, just less would bear :lol:

*waits for criticism*

And well, global warming, you've already all threw out the mammoth's age I presume?
Like it was natural, so now, what happens is natural too.
We can discuss about it indeed, and as I see it's been done...

But saying Gore is fascist or anything like that...sorry but LMAO!
A democrat (don't remember?) is fascist...then what are republicans? Communists? :lol: (reverting theory I used to have fun :p )

What cannot be denied, is that humans destroyed, destroy, and will keep destroy (yes, those who keep doing it don't listen from ones who learnt from past mistakes, and when nothing will be left, they'll ONLY can blame THEMSELVES :smt098 )
If population was smaller, less destruction would happen. That's when western countries developped themselves in numbers that destruction started.
urogard
Forum Elder
Posts: 2146
Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:05 am
ID: 0
Location: Slovensko

Re: Save the world?

LegendaryApophis wrote:If only there was an epidemy whose ONLY effect would be to cause sterility...that way noone would die, just less would bear

Those who want a certain similar thing to happen don't want to wait so long.

They'll just go and hide in their underground tunnel systems and release a pathogen into the atmosphere that will wipe out most of the people on this world.
User avatar
Cole
Forum History
Posts: 10000
Joined: Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:45 am
Alliance: Generations
Race: System Lord
ID: 7889
Alternate name(s): Legendary Apophis, Apophis The Great, Legendary

Re: Save the world?

urogard wrote:
LegendaryApophis wrote:If only there was an epidemy whose ONLY effect would be to cause sterility...that way noone would die, just less would bear

Those who want a certain similar thing to happen don't want to wait so long.

They'll just go and hide in their underground tunnel systems and release a pathogen into the atmosphere that will wipe out most of the people on this world.

I'm not part of those fools! :)
User avatar
Thriller
Forum Addict
Posts: 2609
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:33 pm
Alliance: Π Allegiance
Race: Replimecator
ID: 0

Re: Save the world?

LegendaryApophis wrote:If only there was an epidemy whose ONLY effect would be to cause sterility...that way noone would die, just less would bear :lol:

*waits for criticism*

And well, global warming, you've already all threw out the mammoth's age I presume?
Like it was natural, so now, what happens is natural too.
We can discuss about it indeed, and as I see it's been done...

But saying Gore is fascist or anything like that...sorry but LMAO!
A democrat (don't remember?) is fascist...then what are republicans? Communists? :lol: (reverting theory I used to have fun :p )

What cannot be denied, is that humans destroyed, destroy, and will keep destroy (yes, those who keep doing it don't listen from ones who learnt from past mistakes, and when nothing will be left, they'll ONLY can blame THEMSELVES :smt098 )
If population was smaller, less destruction would happen. That's when western countries developped themselves in numbers that destruction started.


AHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAA...... LOL, killing and destroying is as natural as breathing throughout history
Image
Spoiler
Universe wrote:You don't have a case, as Lord Thriller clearly explained.
MajorLeeHurts wrote:^ stole the car and my Booze and my heart * sobs*
Jack wrote: Just wanna be more like you, Master Thriller. :-D
User avatar
Cole
Forum History
Posts: 10000
Joined: Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:45 am
Alliance: Generations
Race: System Lord
ID: 7889
Alternate name(s): Legendary Apophis, Apophis The Great, Legendary

Re: Save the world?

Thriller wrote:
LegendaryApophis wrote:If only there was an epidemy whose ONLY effect would be to cause sterility...that way noone would die, just less would bear :lol:

*waits for criticism*

And well, global warming, you've already all threw out the mammoth's age I presume?
Like it was natural, so now, what happens is natural too.
We can discuss about it indeed, and as I see it's been done...

But saying Gore is fascist or anything like that...sorry but LMAO!
A democrat (don't remember?) is fascist...then what are republicans? Communists? :lol: (reverting theory I used to have fun :p )

What cannot be denied, is that humans destroyed, destroy, and will keep destroy (yes, those who keep doing it don't listen from ones who learnt from past mistakes, and when nothing will be left, they'll ONLY can blame THEMSELVES :smt098 )
If population was smaller, less destruction would happen. That's when western countries developped themselves in numbers that destruction started.


AHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAA...... LOL, killing and destroying is as natural as breathing throughout history

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....LOL, I was talking about destroying forest and nature.


:lol:
Post Reply

Return to “General intelligent discussion topics”