The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Hitler!

[Cole]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWjUDb1ND_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5R5iskRkcY

One must have a better quality than the other..

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM ... Hv0qOYYsxA

I must say it's too far...because Hitler is one of worst dictator that has ever reigned on earth.
But I also think McCain's and previously Billary's (lol) attacks and ads weren't much better...
I find it somehow disturbing how Americans do their campaigns..looks like political politicians wars.

Mugabe is zimbabwe's dictator who leads his country like a totalitarian, and emprisonned opposition's leader few days before election. He also commited exactions against farmers. Typical dictator.

[semper]

I am sorry, but I object. Adolf Hitler was not one of the worst dictators on earth. He was by far one of the best to have ever lived, a little crazy and awesomely terrible, but look what he made Germany from what it had become after 1918. yes, he may not have done it completely a lone, but he was the leader after all. He was an 'evil' man, but not a bad dictator.

Anyone contesting that and expecting to be accepted need only contest their own level of intellect and ignorance too.

[Cole]

I will NEVER admire someone who wanted to exterminate all believers of a religion under reason that they were "low life forms", sorry. No matter what he could have done, been, or wanted.

[Juliette]

That would be tossing the child away with the bathwater, Jim.

I'm with Semper on this one.
As usual.

[semper]

I will NEVER admire someone who wanted to exterminate all believers of a religion under reason that they were "low life forms", sorry. No matter what he could have done, been, or wanted.

You do not have to admire him. No one said that. You cannot, however, justify ignoring his success as a Dictator, despite his fall.

[Cole]

That would be tossing the child away with the bathwater, Jim.

I'm with Semper on this one.
As usual.

Fine for you, then, if you are so much close with ideals.
Glad to see you don't mind one of biggest mass murderers ever.

And Semper, iff you want a "conventional" and "not despisable" dictator, go look for Bashar Al Assad, he's not democratic, but at least doesn't have that much blood on his hands.

And you know what?

I GLADLY ignore his success or whatever you say, and I'm PROUD of it!
And I doubt many would comment at that!
Of course...there are who would...his/her followers mostly. But well, I've nothing to do or care of them.

People like Hitler, I consider them to be part of SCUM of what humanity created, yes, I repeat, you heard well, SCUM!

So your "neutral" analysis of such people's skills...they aren't for me. And HOPEFULLY, NEVER will.

[semper]

lol.

Calm down there Jim.

We are pointing out that though Hitler did control a very negative act, you cannot deny the history and facts of what he did for Germany before and during these things. He took them from the brink of collapse and brought them to the top, making Germany one of the most powerful countries in the world.

[murkar]

I'm going to have to agree with Semper; Adolf was an evil bstard, and killed millions, but he wasn't actually a bad leader and he led his country out of the dirt. I'm willing to say Stalin was worse, even though his country fought against Hitler, as he actually directly caused the death of more people than Hitler, and caused the death of hundreds of thousands of Soviet citizens (yes, his own countrymen).

On an unrelated note, Hitler also invented the Volkswagen Beetle in 1933; during WWI he noticed that the old WWI vehicles with the curved back end wouldn't flip over or take immense damage when hit near behind, so he developed a concept for a vehicle that had the curve both at the front and back; hence the VW bug.

[Cole]

This topic has been TOTALLY taken out of context and totally derailed.
It was about the effects it might do and what it would mean, and also why/why not it was right to say it.

Not a debate only about how hitler lead his country [to chaos].

[Apadamek]

I am sorry, but I object. Adolf Hitler was not one of the worst dictators on earth. He was by far one of the best to have ever lived, a little crazy and awesomely terrible, but look what he made Germany from what it had become after 1918. yes, he may not have done it completely a lone, but he was the leader after all. He was an 'evil' man, but not a bad dictator.

Anyone contesting that and expecting to be accepted need only contest their own level of intellect and ignorance too.

His faults and idiocy ruined any slight temporary improvement Germany had. His downfalls and stupidity highly outweigh his slight accomplishments.

[Angnoch]

if you ignore Hitlers contribution to Germany you ignore his contribution to the world. Without Hitler reviving Germany and causing a war one of the few ways to truly reverse a depression the entire world would not have pulled out of the depression for a long while it is a very simple fact of life Hitler was a complete political genius the majority of his people loved him because he restored the greatness of the Reich however bad he was otherwise the German people only saw a person who was ushering in a new age of prosperity. The Autobahn was actually designed during WWII in order to quickly and efficiently move Wehrmacht from one front to another however it was not finished in time. Technologically under Hitler Germany produced the first Jet so anything you say has to take into account these facts so in reality Hitler may have been a terrible despicable person but he was still an incredible leader.

[Medicus Atrum]

I am sorry, but I object. Adolf Hitler was not one of the worst dictators on earth. He was by far one of the best to have ever lived, a little crazy and awesomely terrible, but look what he made Germany from what it had become after 1918. yes, he may not have done it completely a lone, but he was the leader after all. He was an 'evil' man, but not a bad dictator.

Anyone contesting that and expecting to be accepted need only contest their own level of intellect and ignorance too.

Wow. You have lost any respect I ever had for you as a person.
My family is German, we came to America before the war because the changes that were happening there. To even THINK you would HINT at such a claim marks you as insane, what he did to the Jews is the worst mark on my peoples history, and to think you tried to JUSTIFY IT!
You say he was a good Dictator, and that he must be praised for excelling in his actions, Couldn't the same be said toward a Murderer? "Man, That Ted Bundy, He sure was a killer wasn't he? And he was good at it, one of the best infact! He should be awarded for his murderous actions agenst the Human race!" *Give Ol' 'Teddy' a Gold Star*

My God, man, what were you thinking when you wrote that?!

[Cole]

I have to admit, he was a good leader....to manage to make people think that jews were low life creatures, while it was giant bs as we all know.
"good" was a sarcasm of course, more like "persuasive"..
That level of idiocy seriously...wow!
And you dare to say it's ignorance to deny his greatness to be a leader? Sooo funny!
To be as retarded as thinking that believers of a religion were what he said...that's golden stupidity!

Heck, even "arians" could have been be jews sometimes, then all of a sudden just because they had that religion but all "required" apparance aspect they all of a sudden became crap too? Sorry, but nothing but giant stupidity there!

Not even only limited to stupidity to believe there are different races, but also that religions are on a scale too? Wow, he made top three retardedness (or at least total foolishness) high power-ranked person in whole history!

Awww I said Hilter wasn't a great leader...what a shame

[semper]

I am sorry, but I object. Adolf Hitler was not one of the worst dictators on earth. He was by far one of the best to have ever lived, a little crazy and awesomely terrible, but look what he made Germany from what it had become after 1918. yes, he may not have done it completely a lone, but he was the leader after all. He was an 'evil' man, but not a bad dictator.

Anyone contesting that and expecting to be accepted need only contest their own level of intellect and ignorance too.

Wow. You have lost any respect I ever had for you as a person.
My family is German, we came to America before the war because the changes that were happening there. To even THINK you would HINT at such a claim marks you as insane, what he did to the Jews is the worst mark on my peoples history, and to think you tried to JUSTIFY IT!
You say he was a good Dictator, and that he must be praised for excelling in his actions, Couldn't the same be said toward a Murderer? "Man, That Ted Bundy, He sure was a killer wasn't he? And he was good at it, one of the best infact! He should be awarded for his murderous actions agenst the Human race!" *Give Ol' 'Teddy' a Gold Star*

My God, man, what were you thinking when you wrote that?!

oh...I am wounded. lol. I dont care what you think. I did not try to justify what Hitler did to the Jews, nor am I saying he was good because of what he did to them. Man you are a tool. Same goes to you Apadamek in this instance.

Apophis said, that Hitler was a bad dictator. Yet in 1925 when Germany was rock bottom, well somehow there was a change from the few years it spent in this terrible state to the powerful nation it had become by 1935. Hitler was at its helm. When the war started, Hitlers one and only major mistake was starting a war on two fronts against Russia, a massive and history turning mistake, but none the less just one fatal mistake after a massive line of success. He played the rest of europe, including england for fools. Neither of you cannot deny his success in leading that country for as long as there was some, and as I said to do so only shows the measure of your own ignorance.

So, please. If, Medicus, you wish to post, at least make sure you understand what I have written so you do not make false claims.

some people, I dont know..absolute...*strolls off ranting and flailing arms*..

[weilandsmith]

this is so funny. what my colleague, semper, is trying to say is that Hitler ruled Germany rather well BEFORE the war and BEFORE the persecution of the Jews.

Economically speaking, Germany was a dead giant before Hitler came to power. He changed all that. He made Germany an economic power house. For a short time, the people of Germany had something to be proud of again.

That's what made Hitler great BEFORE WWII. We all know that he self destructed when he started persecuting people.