The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Hitler!

[Cole]

You see, the difference between a fool with extreme stubborness and sureness regarding to his plans who put all his intelligence to achieve them and a great leader, is that the great leader will not risk all his people to achieve his goals NO MATTER WHAT and create all what he does JUST for his personal goal(s) at any cost.
If a great leader for you is the one who would sacrifice all his people to hope that he could succeed his goal(s) and have them finalized, then, we don't have same definition!

Yes I'm "ignorant" to your words. Do I care though?
Don't think so!

[weilandsmith]

History is not made by timid men.

[Cole]

:lol: History is not made by timid men.

And once again...someone doesn't catch my post...

Bah, I don't know why I keep posting there...

I think I should rename it...

What made Hiller be a good leader in your opinion or not?

/facepalm

[weilandsmith]

Oh i understand your post jim. I understand that it is an insult to compare Obama with the memory of Hitler. The overwhelming perception of Hitler is one of evil. I do understand your point. The memory of Hitler that stands out the most is the persecution and extermination of the Jews.

But Semper also has a point. Before Hitler did all these evil things, he made Germany a great nation.

[Cole]

Oh i understand your post jim. I understand that it is an insult to compare Obama with the memory of Hitler. The overwhelming perception of Hitler is one of evil. I do understand your point. The memory of Hitler that stands out the most is the persecution and extermination of the Jews.

But Semper also has a point. Before Hitler did all these evil things, he made Germany a great nation.

A great nation built on hate since Nuremberg laws...do you all forget mein kampf?

Oh yes I'm sure some will say "what a great book it was"...
Indeed, what a great book of antisemitism and racist-nationalism it was.

Only sheeps and ignorants (ooops, did I bring this word out of its context, being only usable for those who deny Hitler's leading skills? Aww for shame I am, isn't it? ) couldn't have predicted to how electing such a guy could end into.
The only guy who wasn't stupid to think Hitler would lead country to what he claimed was the president Paul Von Hindenburg. Sadly, his attempts to stop him failed and he had to accept him as chancellor in 1933. And he died in 1934, before all the mess happens.

[Iƒrit]

Hitler was also into the occult heavily, its rumored that Hitler possessed the Spear of Desitny.

The Spear of Destiny

Hitler coveted possession of the Spear of Destiny, supposedly THE spear with which the Roman soldier pierced the side of Jesus Christ. Anyone trained in the esoteric arts know that certain relics, monuments and physical places inherently possess power and that power can be harnessed and used for whatever means you choose.

The Spear of Destiny is also known as the Spear of Longinus. Supposedly, the leader who "possessed it and understood the powers it served, held the destiny of the world in his hands for good or evil." This spear has been held in the House of Hapsburg, in Vienna, Austria, for centuries, and is on public display in a museum. One of Hitler's first official acts, once he annexed Austria, was to drive to Vienna in a motorcade, go to the museum, and take physical possession of the Spear of Destiny. At that point, Hitler believed he possessed the power to overcome all odds and conquer the world. At that point, World War II became inevitable. A new age and a New World Order steered by the Third Reich was waiting to happen.

[Cole]

On 24 November 1932, during the course of another Hitler-Hindenburg meeting, Hindenburg stated his fears that " ... a presidential cabinet led by Hitler would necessarily develop into a party dictatorship with all its consequences for an extreme aggravation of the conflicts within the German people".

Wise people are never listened to...
And guess what, all what he claimed happend!

One more thing: Is a great leader meant to divide its people and make them hate each others and eventually exterminate a part of them built on lies and paranoia?

I think not.

[Fear Of The Duck]

well.. if good dictator is the one that ppl of his country follow and adore, then yes. hitler was definately a good dictator. as for his achievments. he turned germany into pile of rubble (with some help from other annoyed nations like yanks, brits, russians... ) yet ppl still liked him (and some still like him today)... and they are homo SAPIENS...

for non blood thirsty dictators chack:
- chiang kai-shek
- augusto jose ramon pinochet ugarte

[Cole]

well.. if good dictator is the one that ppl of his country follow and adore, then yes. hitler was definately a good dictator. as for his achievments. he turned germany into pile of rubble (with some help from other annoyed nations like yanks, brits, russians... ) yet ppl still liked him (and some still like him today)... and they are homo SAPIENS...

for non blood thirsty dictators chack:
- chiang kai-shek
- augusto jose ramon pinochet ugarte

Pinochet tortured and killed thousands of opponents..that's well known fact.

The difference between a TRUE great leader (such as JFK), is that this kind of person is loved by many because of what they do, or what they are, while they don't manipulate FULLY the medias, control any part of the society and change anything they can for a brainwashing machine spreading their glory.
A TRUE GREAT LEADER is one who still has an opposition who has a voice, but who's still loved by his/her people nomatter what opposition (not being silenced) can say or prove against that person.

[Iƒrit]

well said Jim, I agree.

well im off for 4 days, out of state job, laters y'all

[Fear Of The Duck]

Pinochet tortured and killed thousands of opponents..that's well known fact.

The difference between a TRUE great leader (such as JFK), is that this kind of person is loved by many because of what they do, or what they are, while they don't manipulate FULLY the medias, control any part of the society and change anything they can for a brainwashing machine spreading their glory.
A TRUE GREAT LEADER is one who still has an opposition who has a voice, but who's still loved by his/her people nomatter what opposition (not being silenced) can say or prove against that person.

well.. i'm not saying hitler was good LEADER, but a good DICTATOR.

as for pinochet:
1 those "thousands" are very speculative.
2 he was fighting kinda civil war agains the commies. now imagine ya have lenin/stalin wannabees and other similar bandits ready for absolutely everything to take power in france... what would you do?

and back to hitler:
that "economic succes" before the war... germany had to pay HUGE war reparations. hitler just decided to keep all that money in the country. so the short-term prosperity was not unexpected. and then he ruined everything.

[Cole]

Pinochet tortured and killed thousands of opponents..that's well known fact.

The difference between a TRUE great leader (such as JFK), is that this kind of person is loved by many because of what they do, or what they are, while they don't manipulate FULLY the medias, control any part of the society and change anything they can for a brainwashing machine spreading their glory.
A TRUE GREAT LEADER is one who still has an opposition who has a voice, but who's still loved by his/her people nomatter what opposition (not being silenced) can say or prove against that person.

well.. i'm not saying hitler was good LEADER, but a good DICTATOR.

as for pinochet:
1 those "thousands" are very speculative.
2 he was fighting kinda civil war agains the commies. now imagine ya have lenin/stalin wannabees and other similar bandits ready for absolutely everything to take power in france... what would you do?

and back to hitler:
that "economic succes" before the war... germany had to pay HUGE war reparations. hitler just decided to keep all that money in the country. so the short-term prosperity was not unexpected. and then he ruined everything.

1 then we can wonder where all these people went. Doubtfull thry joined the "secret" island where Elvis retired.
2 He overtook presidents' power and destitued elected president Salvador Allende.

now imagine ya have lenin/stalin/hitler/mussolini wannabees and other similar bandits ready for absolutely everything to take power in france... what would you do?

Fixed
What would I do? Put them in High security jails. That's all.

[Juliette]

Waa waa waa..


You lot don't make the distinction between Hitler as a person and Hitler as a leader.
No wonder y'all are so upset. Just listen to you.. waawaa-ing about two completely different things, being surprised no one understands you.. Pfft.

Meh.. it's not something I need worry about. As you were, gentlemen, blow yourselves to hell with your non-arguments for all I care. Such an emotion-loaded thread as this is something I rather avoid, so I'm off! Enjoy your semi-intellectual debate.

[Fear Of The Duck]

1 then we can wonder where all these people went. Doubtfull thry joined the "secret" island where Elvis retired.
2 He overtook presidents' power and destitued elected president Salvador Allende.

elvis ya say? hmm.. that might be... i heard there was a lots of elvis fans in chile...
ya forgot hitler was also elected... scum is scum.. elected or not..

You lot don't make the distinction between Hitler as a person and Hitler as a leader.

there was two of him???

[Cole]

Waa waa waa..


You lot don't make the distinction between Hitler as a person and Hitler as a leader.
No wonder y'all are so upset. Just listen to you.. waawaa-ing about two completely different things, being surprised no one understands you.. Pfft.

Meh.. it's not something I need worry about. As you were, gentlemen, blow yourselves to hell with your non-arguments for all I care. Such an emotion-loaded thread as this is something I rather avoid, so I'm off! Enjoy your semi-intellectual debate.

The difference between a TRUE great leader (such as JFK), is that this kind of person is loved by many because of what they do, or what they are, while they don't manipulate FULLY the medias, control any part of the society and change anything they can for a brainwashing machine spreading their glory.
A TRUE GREAT LEADER is one who still has an opposition who has a voice, but who's still loved by his/her people nomatter what opposition (not being silenced) can say or prove against that person.

BOOM!

So your post is inaccurate, I took part of discrediting him as a leader.
What do you think my references about Von Hinderburg were about?
He was a president for several years, so it's not like he had no idea of how to lead things since he was leading the eastern front in WW1 and participated in previous Prussian wars, isn't it?
Take into mind that if a royalist and ex military command staff does all he can to avoid Hitler being the leader, there might be a reason? Since he was old, it wasn't for only taking his place being a problem.


Once again...think about how your party (you are republican right?) reacted after Madonna linked McCain with Hilter and Mugabe...if Hitler was that much of a good leader, wouldn't their reaction be more..."soft"? As afterall, it would only be "half bad", isn't it?