some question as to the validety of conspiracys and....

[Demeisen]

we could send an armada to kill the NWO (Nice Wombat Organization) but the NWO could use their wom-bombs and cruise-wombat missiles

[[KMA]Avenger]

1st i'd like to apologize for the very long post but its necessary for people to understand who owns the world


"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

-Thomas Jefferson

anyone want to argue with Thomas Jefferson?

how about this quote from Jefferson...

I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution-taking from the federal government their power of borrowing.

-Thomas Jefferson.

how much less corruption would there be in our govts if they could NOT borrow money from ANY sector???

heres a quote from Napoleon Bonaparte,

"...the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. money has no motherland;financiers are without patriotism and without decency: their sole object is gain."

-Napoleon Bonaparte.


"the rich will strive to establish their dominion and enslave the rest. they always did and they always will...they will have the same effect here as elsewhere (meaning, the bankers control european govts as well as its industry and its commerce threw the central bank system and now they want the same for america), if we do not, [by the power of] govt, keep them in their proper spheres."

-Gouvernor Morris

how true is that statement???


Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws.

-Mayer Amschel Rothschild.

NOW, that above statement should convince you who is really in charge of our country's, because when a nation is in debt to a bank, it is no different than a a person who cant pay their mortgage and ends up having their home repossessed.
make no mistake as to who is in control of our govts.


the first bank of the united states governor said and i quote "...a national debt if it is not excessive will be to us a national blessing."

a blessing to who?



[spoiler]Good evening, my fellow Americans: First, I should like to express my gratitude to the radio and television networks for the opportunity they have given me over the years to bring reports and messages to our nation. My special thanks go to them for the opportunity of addressing you this evening.

Three days from now, after a half century of service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.

This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.

Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.

Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on questions of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the nation.

My own relations with Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and finally to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years.

In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the nation well rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the nation should go forward. So my official relationship with Congress ends in a feeling on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.

We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.

Throughout America's adventure in free government, such basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among peoples and among nations.

To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people.

Any failure traceable to arrogance or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us a grievous hurt, both at home and abroad.

Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger it poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle – with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.

Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in the newer elements of our defenses; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research – these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

But each proposal must be weighed in light of a broader consideration; the need to maintain balance in and among national programs – balance between the private and the public economy, balance between the cost and hoped for advantages – balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between the actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.

The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their Government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well in the face of threat and stress.

But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise.

Of these, I mention two only.

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system – ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we – you and I, and our government – must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without asking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.

Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.

Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war – as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years – I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.

Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.

So – in this my last good night to you as your President – I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.

You and I – my fellow citizens – need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nations' great goals.

To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing aspiration:

We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.

Now, on Friday noon, I am to become a private citizen. I am proud to do so. I look forward to it.

Thank you, and good night.[/spoiler]


the spoiler is Eisenhower's Farewell Address (in case you missed it ) and in it he warns us of who to be wary of and who will be to blame when all the things he warned us of-come to pass.



the way i see it is very simple...

if we allow big govt to flourish (which we have) and we do not question it (which we don't) then we allow the seeds of despotism to take root in our own countries (which it has).

we now live in a society where govt tells US whats good for US and we have no choice but to go along...

1, how is that a free society?

2, the private global bankers own most of the banks in the world and all the major country's central banks, IE. the bank of england and the federal reserve being the 2 main ones and the bank of england being the first.

3, everyone needs to hear Eisenhower's farewell presidential speech, he specifically warns us of who we have to be wary of.

4, EVERYBODY knows that this is not how the world should be yet they deny anything is wrong

5, the right to print americas money has been swung back and forth a total of 8 times, from 1776 till 1913 when the fed was chartered, and was chartered to bring stability to the dollar and yet the dollar has been anything but stable.

6, we have, for the past 350 years odd (in the uk) a fractional reserve banking system...that means, when a bank opens its doors the owners of the bank invest money in the bank for the purpose of making loans. the bank is invested with say £1 million, that million by the magic of fractional reserve is multiplied to 10 million simply by the stroke of a pen, the bank then makes loans to the sum of 10 million even tho it only has 1 million in reserve, so when a bank charges say 8% interest on the loans its not 8% but due to the magic of fractional reserve it charges a total of 80% on money its made in loans that it doesn't even have, if any of us did that we would be charged with fraud!!!!

7, our monetary systems are based on debt, and not a single nation is without debt to the international bankers...read that again so you fully understand that our govts are slaves to the bankers.

8, no matter how much profit corporations have, they are ALL owned by the banks because when the crash comes all these super rich corporations will be repossessed by the banks because their profits are in cash and not gold or precious metals.

9, the banking system in its present form makes slaves of nations and their govts.

10, all banks hide the fact that they are privately owned by having misleading names, I.E. the bank of england IS NOT owned by the people and its govt, the same with the fed reserve, these are privately owned banks and are NOT regulated by our govts and do NOT answer to them, they answer to the MAJOR shareholders.
true, the banks governors are appointed by the prime minister and the president but these names are on a very short list and are already chosen by the banks owners, the prime minister and the president have NO say in the matter what so ever!

11, every single war since the bank of england was created has been for no reason other than to drive all waring nations further into debt because a nation will pay any amount for victory. make no mistake about that, hitlers rise to power and the rebuilding and arming of germany was funded by the the federal reserve, even while america was gripped with by the great depression, the federal reserve rebuilt and armed germany.

12, all the major newspapers and media are owned by 5 corporations which is why issues like this maybe discussed by everyone you never here about it on TV or in the papers because if the world knew the truth of just how much death, destruction, poverty and the plundering of the worlds nations and the peoples wealth by the elite-the elite would be chased down in the streets and lynched...just as Bush senior says we would.

13, the nations debt to its central bank is secured by a direct taxation of the people, and when the economies of the world are crashed, that debt will be called in by the central banks and what then?...we will become slaves of the banks...think about it!

14, 2/3rds of the worlds gold supplies are owned by the elite. the gold reserves of every nation have been either sold off cheap (just as gordon brown did a few years ago) or have been taken as security for a nations debt to the central bank (which is why the american people CANNOT get a audit on the peoples gold reserves...THE GOLD IS GONE SO WHAT IS THERE TO AUDIT!?) so if a nation seeks to reform its currency by going from a debt based system (bonds are issued by a govt, which in a nutshell-it sells, thereby exchanging bonds to hard cash) to a gold standard (meaning the currency of a nation is backed not by debt, but by gold as a promise to pay) it would be no better thereby making all those (people who want to see the central bank system killed for good, people like me) who want change look like they don't know what they are talking about...think about what i'm trying to tell you there.

15, the tally stick system of money (a stick of wood which has notches cut into it marking the denomination of that particular piece, and then split length ways to guard against fraud. 1 length is kept by the king and the other spent into the economy by sanctioning public works thereby creating jobs and wealth) lasted for 800 years, the longest and most successful form of currency in history and which built the british empire.

16, the tally stick system ran side by side with coinage so coinage based money never entirely died in england but was hated by the bankers and money changers because it was a form of money outside of their control.

17, what gives sticks of wood and paper value? value is built into whatever we decide is money simply by decree of govt that a particular form of currency (no matter what that maybe) has value because its good for paying taxes thereby value is automatically built in...even if its cow dung!

18, if a nation decided it would base its money on cow dung, the bankers would be out of business overnight and a nation issuing its own debt free currency would go rich, just as did america after Andrew Jackson killed the 2nd central bank in america. it could pay of debts and be without debt thereby making the WHOLE nation rich.

19, the cold war came about as a result of the bankers and corporations realization that as the 2nd WW drew to a close, lean times were ahead and needed an excuse for govt to carry on borrowing and spending heavily if not even more so. govt spending has increased year on year since the day of the debt based monetary system and central bank was installed in a particular nation.

20, there are 2 laws which govern people and you ALL need to pay attention to this because very few people know this...there is maritime law (the law of the banks and the courts) and there is common law. since we are all born via the birth canal we are governed by maritime law. i STRONGLY suggest you go educate yourselves because i speak with many people and teachers and nobody i have spoken to even knew this!


common law
[spoiler]Common Law

That part of the English law not embodied in legislation. It consists of rules of law based on common custom and usage and on judicial (court) decisions. English common law became the basis of law in the USA and many other English-speaking countries.

Common law developed after the Norman Conquest 1066 as the law common to the whole of England, rather than local law. As the court system became established under Henry II in the 12th century, and judges' decisions became recorded in law reports, the doctrine of precedent developed. This means that, in deciding a particular case, the court must have regard to the principles of law laid down in earlier reported cases on the same, or similar points, although the law may be extended or varied if the facts of the particular case are sufficiently different. Hence, common law (sometimes called ‘case law’ or ‘judge-made law’) keeps the law in harmony with the needs of the community where no legislation is applicable or where the legislation requires interpretation.[/spoiler]


do your own research for maritime law.

21, all depressions and inflations are caused by the central banks, by contracting or increasing the money supply of a nation and not as a result of national/global economy...this is called "the business cycle".

22, depressions and inflation is created to rob the people of their property, money and possessions, and will be used by the banks to completely wipe out the middle class, collapse the global economies forcing down our throats the solution of a 1 world state and bank...the NWO or new world order.

23, the major contributing factor for americas war of independance was to break free from the tyranny of king george's taxes (which were used to fund englands war with france and the rest of europe) and the pure evil of the central bank system which had/has plunged england into debt via the machinations of war.

24, england and the bankers never forgave Andrew Jackson and Americas rejection of their central bank system and worked tirelessly from 1776 to 1913 to corrupt congress and dumb down the american people into accepting a central bank system once and for all.

25, wealth is NEVER destroyed by depression of inflation, it is merely transfered.

26, there has been a war on the middle class ever since the central bank system came into existence for 1 simple reason, the middle class have always been educated enough to understand how govt should work and have always been the ones to stand up to govts which are corrupted.

27, whoever is a millionaire better think again and check there bank account after the worlds economy is collapsed!

28, before EVERY major economic and market crash, the financiers of the world move their capital into gold thereby securing their wealth even as the whole world around them starves.

29, the price of gold always falls during the summer months and rises again in the winter months, i've just told you how to make allot of money very quickly with no risk what so ever!

30, 60% of the price of fuel is speculation on the part of the fuel industry.

31, none of this is either a conspiracy or machinations of mine or anyone else's mind...this is all FACT!

32, the majority of people cannot comprehend anything other than what they know and are taught because they have NOT been educated to either question or be suspicious enough to question authority, and thus give opinions based on a lack of understanding and ignorance.

33, the past 2 generations don't know anything that has not been taught to them at school or has not come out of the TV.

34, the standard of education has been dropping threwout the world for the past 100 years for 1 simple reason...to keep us in the dark!

35, everything said here can be researched because its all in the open!

36, the elites have ALWAYS hidden their secrets in plain sight.

37, 800+ FEMA camps have been built in america alone...what are they expecting, an invasion or the impending economic collapse and subsequent revolt of the people???

38, the TRUE enemy of big govt is NOT external but internal, meaning, an educated public...hence laws such as the patriot act.

39, laws such as the patriot act disguise the fact that these laws are aimed at the general public right before a coup such as hitlers storming to power.

40, the patriot act and subsequent presidential executive orders give the president sole authority over the nation and any order decreeing martial law by the president CANNOT be reviewed by congress for a period of 6 months.

41, the president alone can determine what is a national threat and based on his say so can enact martial law and become dictator without ANY oversight.

42, the patriot act gives the president the power to determine who or what is a threat to the nation and anybody protesting against his power will be arrested and held indefinitely without access to a lawyer, the courts, phone calls or any outside contact what so ever.

we have similar laws in the UK, so think again if you think you are free.

well i could go on forever but i think i have given everyone enough information to realize just who owns them, their possessions and their country.


if anyone would truly like to gain understanding and knowledge then i HIGHLY recommend 2 films "The Corporation" and "The Money masters". those 2 films are what i call, an education, they are both highly factual and allot of time went into the gathering of the information and in their making, in the case of the corporation, it took 7 years to make and has won a host of awards.

[Thriller]

Avenger, i invite you to come to a real government discussion board so that you might actually get a chance to submit your ideas in a proper atmosphere. (Trial by FIRE)

www.sociocide.com

make an account there, i think you would enjoy it

[[KMA]Avenger]

*waiting for liquids response to my long post and PM i sent him*

[Demeisen]

*waiting for the LHC to turn on and end the world so i wont have to read that long post *

if its not about terrorists not existing or something equally 'out there' ill answer once ive time to read it properly. if there are sources, posting the links would be helpful when i get round to the reading. cheers

[[KMA]Avenger]

lol, waiting for the LHC and scientists to kill us so you wont have to read and respond eh?

very funny thats the cowards way out, but who am i to judge your motives!?!?

no its not about anything like that, the sources? common knowledge based on fact and reality which you can look up all by yourself since its all in the public domain

a major problem i see when people ask for my sources is this, a leader can say to you that some muslim extremists committed these acts of terror and does not provide a single shred of evidence, and yet the entire nation believes him so much they are willing, nay they demand war and the destruction of a nation, but when i tell you something and i also say to you that its public knowledge and the information is freely available, i am met with so much skepticism, apathy and in many cases hostility.

whats the difference between your leader telling you one thing and me telling you another?

i'll tell you the difference, if your leader is wrong or has outright lied, people die and VERY serious crimes have been committed, if i am wrong or have lied nobody gets hurt, maybe they will be angry but nobody is killed...

think about that!


P.S. are we gonna have that drink or what? it was your idea after all

[S0lid Snake]

we could send an armada to kill the NWO (Nice Wombat Organization) but the NWO could use their wom-bombs and cruise-wombat missiles

Sigh, Again WTH...

You ignore the last 4 options I put up, and make sarcastic jokes...

This is getting old...

I guess your all for options 1 & 2, do nothing and see what happens, you'd have been in a concentration camp with that attitude during WWII.

[[KMA]Avenger]

no wonder the world is the way it is when people don't know anything WHATSOEVER:

http://burningtaper.blogspot.com/2006/0 ... n-911.html


this is also being reported in the media but its not coming top of google searches...how convenient!

[Demeisen]

Sigh, Again WTH...

You ignore the last 4 options I put up, and make sarcastic jokes...

This is getting old...

I guess your all for options 1 & 2, do nothing and see what happens, you'd have been in a concentration camp with that attitude during WWII.

lol if i need options ill ask someone other than you to provide them.you're not exactly reliable with choices, information etc


why would i be in a concentration camp? and did jews (as well as others in camps) do nothing? they were killed in mass genocide because they were lazy? clarify your point mate. when talking about something like concentration camps you should have had the sense to be precise.

lol, waiting for the LHC and scientists to kill us so you wont have to read and respond eh?

very funny thats the cowards way out, but who am i to judge your motives!?!?

drawing inaccurate conclusions again are we? i dont relish reading an epic post from you which is copied from many other sources (sigh . . . poor ones most likely . . .sigh)

ill read it when i have the time and will to do so. and i notice you are now routinely posting links to blogsites. anyone can write a blog. its not solid, reliable information. ( note that the word solid is next to reliable. thats probably a one off )

P.S. are we gonna have that drink or what? it was your idea after all

probably not. if i wanted bull **Filtered** while having a beer id set up a bar in my local barn.

[[KMA]Avenger]

1st off, your a coward! as i said, it would be civil, i didnt have any intention of converting you to anything. "sociable drink" means what in your book? i know what it means in mine and having a drink with someone does not include trying to convert or bore you with stuff you don't wish to learn about.

a sociable drink in my books means getting together with someone and having a good laugh/time...

as you wish, i still think your a coward.


and no, i am not jumping to any conclusions, i leave that to you

the only thing i have copied in that long post is the quotes themselves, the rest of that post is ALL MINE!

[Phoenix of Terra]

[spoiler]The way I see it we have a few possible scenarios regarding the NWO.

1. If it's true and we do nothing we're screwed. (Bad)

2. If it's false and we do nothing, then we're all ok. (Ok, but risky)

3. If it's true and we confront it, then it's the right thing to do. (Good)

4. If it's false and we confront it, then we're ok and we lost nothing in being cautious. (Good)[/spoiler]

That looks like Game Theory, perhaps? My Econ teacher has corrupted me >.<

[[KMA]Avenger]

@everyone:


your teacher doesn't know any better because the curriculum comes from on high...

heres a site where you can educate yourself BEYOND what the govt corrupted school system (whether private or state, its all the same crap) and media teach us:

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/

this man knows his stuff...he should do, he's a investigative and research journalist with an impeccable reputation whose worked at the highest levels for a long time.

have a look, you lose nothing but maybe, just maybe you will start to open your eyes!

btw, people think i'm mad when i say the elite want to kill us:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... a&aid=7529


now what do you say to that?????

[urogard]

your teacher doesn't know any better because the curriculum comes from on high...

You misunderstood what he just said mate lol

And phoenix, trust me that what solid just wrote is not game theory.
Game theory is for example the pirate's dilemna, or a more famous one the prisonner's dilemna, although there are tons of other examples.

[[KMA]Avenger]

your teacher doesn't know any better because the curriculum comes from on high...

You misunderstood what he just said mate lol

ah!

my bad on that, but the statement still stands as fact

[Thriller]

your teacher doesn't know any better because the curriculum comes from on high...

You misunderstood what he just said mate lol

ah!

my bad on that, but the statement still stands as fact

No it doesn't, you have the worst sources in the world. Stop believing in things just because you agree with their point of view.

I mean common the according to your source the seed bank will be used for genetic engineering of a super race. WTH!!! right out of James bond novel. Don't you see all the buzz words they use in their "news article". All teh negative undertones they are trying to get across (they teach this in creative writing). News is about fact, leave the fear mongering out of it. It's trying shape your viewpoint as you go along. It's crap, pure and simple.

They try to link Monsanto to it, but they have not donated anything to the project whatsoever (monetary or resource). They try to accuse the government of sterilizing the female population of Nicaragua, That never happened. I have been to Nicaragua.

I advise everyone read your crappy article for yourselves; just to get a good representation of Avenger's sources (he even considered this one of his good ones). Maybe you can finish it. I had to stop halfway through because i through up in my mouth a little.