Alliance Bank

[rdr3777]

ok the last guy has a good point but stell there are going to be alliance upgrades and it well be linked to the bank so if it take Xnuh to buy an upgrade and if u can't put money into the bank yourself to help out your alliance and it stays at 1% npt deposit then the very lorgist alliances well get them frist and the small allinaces even if they have high income well take much longer to buy them and by the time they do all the guys who do payply and stuff for account upgrades and very rech alliances well of had all the time in the world to use there upgrades on the week alliances and it wont be fair to the small accounts, and if thats all its for then in my opinon its a waste of 1% of my income becouse i do a lot of stuff on my own sure i'am subservent to my alliance and wont them to be powerful but it shoulded be that way the bank should be available to the co's of the alliances to give back to the alliance to help them gain power and growth many to the smaller members of the alliance and the log for the alliance to make sure the co's don't hog it all and use it for their own gainthere some be a notice on the bank page we all use for keeping rebeuld money that tells

1.how much is in the bank
2.a way to ask for a loan or a link to ask for nuh from the alliance
3.a type in box for how much u wonnt to put in the alliance bank
4.a way for the alliance commanders to send nuh to the people asking for nuh or for them to just use the persons name as a link to sned it to them
5.a way to set how much of your npt you wont to give 1-10% i say

[sniper0432]

All this talk about Alliance Leaders and 2nd in command players using the naq for their own benefit...

how about this.
1. Naq goes into bank, NO-ONE CAN TAKE IT OUT.
2. Whatever the alliance bank is used for is released (Whatever that is).
3. A new "control panel" of some kind is introduced for the use of whatever the alliance bank is for. Prevents Leader and 2IC abuses.
4. A special message is sent out to all alliance members to ensure that all or majority of members agree with the Leader or 2IC decision on how to use the naq in the alliance bank, where if there has not been any objections within a certain amount of days (lets say 10), then whatever the naq from the alliance bank will be used for is implemented. If all members agree to the decision before the time period elapses, then the decision will be implemented immediately.

The top part was to combat Leader or 2IC abuses. Below is what i think the alliance bank is suppose to be used for.

1. A completely new upgrade that can help the entire alliance, rather than boosting stats that can be done just by ascending.
2. A useful "protective" shelter for players in the alliance, where the "protective" shelter is upgraded by using naq from the alliance bank so as to increase the number of players who can go in this shelter, the max army size a player can have before becoming unable to enter or stay in the shelter, and the defensive ability of the shelter itself.
3. The ability to unify two or more alliances but still keeping each one separate, with bonuses involved. Can make alliance groups and so on more official and more beneficial.
4. Other ideas that can benefit the alliance as a whole.

If weak alliances start complaining (i'm the leader of a relatively weak alliance... for now), then so be it. They were always at a disadvantage anyway because of all those high ranking players in the top 100s or 1000s, so why should they complain?

As for costs, that in my opinion is up to admin. Jason will think of something that will make it as fair as possible for everyone, even if people start complaining even more because of it.

Those are my thoughts. Back them up or oppose them completely as you see fit.

sniper0432
Leader of the Areseorii Knights

P.S. about this option...

2. A useful "protective" shelter for players in the alliance, where the "protective" shelter is upgraded by using naq from the alliance bank so as to increase the number of players who can go in this shelter, the max army size a player can have before becoming unable to enter or stay in the shelter, and the defensive ability of the shelter itself.

I have an idea on what this should be based on, but may need some altering. An Artificial Base Defense System, an idea i've posted on the Game Suggestions section. Of course this may be hijacking, but i'm just saying this so then everyone have an idea on what i'm trying to say here.

[Clarkey]

how about this.
1. Naq goes into bank, NO-ONE CAN TAKE IT OUT.

Admin has already said this will be the case.

[sniper0432]

All this talk about Alliance Leaders and 2nd in command players using the naq for their own benefit...

how about this.
1. Naq goes into bank, NO-ONE CAN TAKE IT OUT.
2. Whatever the alliance bank is used for is released (Whatever that is).
3. A new "control panel" of some kind is introduced for the use of whatever the alliance bank is for. Prevents Leader and 2IC abuses.
4. A special message is sent out to all alliance members to ensure that all or majority of members agree with the Leader or 2IC decision on how to use the naq in the alliance bank, where if there has not been any objections within a certain amount of days (lets say 10), then whatever the naq from the alliance bank will be used for is implemented. If all members agree to the decision before the time period elapses, then the decision will be implemented immediately.

I think this will make it too complicated, if you don't trust the leadership of the alliance, you should not be in it

besides, as its been said before, scam an alliance once, and I'm sure the leader will regret it

Complicated in what way?

Ok, ok, what about this, keep these options...

1. Naq goes into bank, NO-ONE CAN TAKE IT OUT.
2. Whatever the alliance bank is used for is released (Whatever that is).
3. A new "control panel" of some kind is introduced for the use of whatever the alliance bank is for. Prevents Leader and 2IC abuses.

While this option...

4. A special message is sent out to all alliance members to ensure that all or majority of members agree with the Leader or 2IC decision on how to use the naq in the alliance bank, where if there has not been any objections within a certain amount of days (lets say 10), then whatever the naq from the alliance bank will be used for is implemented. If all members agree to the decision before the time period elapses, then the decision will be implemented immediately.

should be taken out.

would that make it less complicated? at least the Leader and 2IC can't use the naq in the alliance bank.

[Lore]

Guess we need to see what Admin has in mind first. He may go all weirdo, crazy on us.

[sniper0432]

I hope not, because the alliance bank is looking very promising.

[GeneralChaos]

Personally it shouldn't be used for anything, Naq goes in but doesnt come out, that is the price you pay for protection from your alliance, else.

Whats to stop the big alliances in the game doing say

DDE merges all alliance into 1, ( massive bank then )
Omega merges all alliance into 1, ( massive bank then )
TA merges all alliance into 1, ( massive bank then )
T.L.E merges all alliance into 1, ( massive bank then )

Think about it, the bank should just be a TAX that you are charged for being in an alliance, dont want to pay the TAX dont be in the alliance.

Of course people wont agree with it, because some people who have a 1bill income and dont want to build, what protection and freebies from the guys who do build and have 25+bill incomes etc....

[Lore]

Personally it shouldn't be used for anything, Naq goes in but doesnt come out, that is the price you pay for protection from your alliance, else.

Whats to stop the big alliances in the game doing say

DDE merges all alliance into 1, ( massive bank then )
Omega merges all alliance into 1, ( massive bank then )
TA merges all alliance into 1, ( massive bank then )
T.L.E merges all alliance into 1, ( massive bank then )

Think about it, the bank should just be a TAX that you are charged for being in an alliance, dont want to pay the TAX dont be in the alliance.

Of course people wont agree with it, because some people who have a 1bill income and dont want to build, what protection and freebies from the guys who do build and have 25+bill incomes etc....

I do agree myself GC, but Jason said it was created for alliance upgrades, so I'll just wait and see.

I wouldnt mind if it stays like it is now, just as you have said.

[sniper0432]

But to think of all that naq just there...

...staring at you...

...waiting to be used...

...but its useless...

...because it's in an alliance bank...

...that only takes your naq...

...to some people that's torture...

...especially if the person doesn't want to leave their alliance...

[GeneralChaos]

The problem with it being used for alliance upgrades is, it will be unfair to most of the alliances bar the super alliances ( being where most of the powerful players are ) that we have now,

As we can generate the income to upgrade, if its made cheaper for smaller alliances we can break up into smaller groups for faster upgrades then remerge as 1 big alliance, maybe if it was something that didnt add to attack or defence or even mothership.

I stand BY my comments about it being unremovable from alliance bank.

[Am Heh]

Im guessing it might be some cosmetic upgrades. Such as getting alliance logos, symbols, altering color of alliance page etc.

[sniper0432]

The problem with it being used for alliance upgrades is, it will be unfair to most of the alliances bar the super alliances ( being where most of the powerful players are ) that we have now,

Well, in this essence, all new players and those who are ranked in the 5,000s or higher are at a major disadvantage if you compare them with people in the top 1000.

Even then, one day, players ranked that low may somehow make it to the top, even when it seemed like that he had a very slim chance in doing so.

No-one should judge anyone by first appearances. the top alliances may be able to get all the upgrades to begin with, but eventually the weaker alliances will get more powerful, get all the upgrades, and could potentially uproot those alliance at the top.

[Lister]

The problem with it being used for alliance upgrades is, it will be unfair to most of the alliances bar the super alliances ( being where most of the powerful players are ) that we have now

Just make alliance bank cost scale to the amount of members. Also make the costs apply(automatically) to new members aswell. Lets call it the extra cost with fitting new recruits out with the same equipment. Like fleets you can have a member cap for each upgrade they you need to increase to add more members.

[Mr Nice Guy]

i dont see why i should be donating this crap to bank without been able to use it... admin and his great ideas... and then people wonders why so many have left the game last few days... and dont blame the war, war aint doing that damage... is the damn updates and stuff not needed... that crap screwin efforts ... 2-3 years of effort going to hell... and well... its all for the game i guess... great way to do things... if sgw real deal game comes out soon i guess it will be the end for this one... well i guess thats what admin wants...

[sniper0432]

The problem with it being used for alliance upgrades is, it will be unfair to most of the alliances bar the super alliances ( being where most of the powerful players are ) that we have now

Just make alliance bank cost scale to the amount of members. Also make the costs apply(automatically) to new members aswell. Lets call it the extra cost with fitting new recruits out with the same equipment. Like fleets you can have a member cap for each upgrade they you need to increase to add more members.

Are you suggesting that the price will apply to the number of players currently in the alliance, with less members meaning less naq required to pay for upgrades?

If so, that is pretty much useless, because even one person can overpower 10 or so others without even breaking a sweat... hmm, if anyone could break a sweat sitting down playing on computers...

Although, i have thought of a pricing system where, if you gain new members or power up the alliance even more (depending on which one is chosen), then the alliance would have to pay some naq from the alliance bank before being able to continue using the upgrade. I'll show you...

First Upgrade Pricing (if based on member size)
1-10 - 50bil naq
11-20 - 100bil naq
21-30 - 150bil naq
31-40 - 200bil naq ... and so on.

OR

First Upgrade Pricing (if based on total alliance power)
0-100bil - 50bil naq
100bil-200bil - 100bil naq
200bil-300bil - 150bil naq
300bil-400bil - 200bil naq ... and so on.

What's more, if alliances want to get away from paying extra by weakening themselves or decreasing the alliance numbers temporarily, then restoring themselves once the upgrades are purchased, then a couple things will happen.
1. the purchased upgrades will no longer be usable
2. the alliance will be required to pay the extra naq to pay for the upgrade
eg: alliance power was 90bil when purchased upgrades, then increased their alliance power to 2tril. They bought their upgrades at 50bil naq, but now require to pay an extra 950bil naq in order to start using the upgrade again, because it costs 1tril naq in order to buy an upgrade when the alliance has 2tril power.

As you can see, no-one, not even the larger alliances, can get away from paying too much for upgrades, but they are still cheap enough for all the weak alliances to buy, then later on pay for the upgrade as the alliance grows stronger. I think the pricing will need some work, but at least now you can have upgrades and make it fair for all alliances.