The Only Fuall vs Taskforce Thread Of Disscussion

[Borek]

It's a simple concept harry, when you surrender you are supposed to at least pretend that you mean it, so by simultaneously saying that you fully expect your own side to win despite you running from the war, you are not doing that. It's like walking up to a homeless person, giving them a 1 pence coin whilst waving a huge wad of notes in their face laughing at them.

Strangely enough we take offense to that sort of feebly attempted surrender and chose to NOT accept it.

So how about you wait a while then try again, and next time actually manage a credable amount of submissive words and avoid insulting the very people you are asking to accept it.

[The Doctor]

Could a mod please delete this post?

[Borek]

And again i will point out that Tetrismonkey got MASSED for saying such things. it's very simple, when you give up, you just give up, you don't post long winded opinions about who is going to win, you just swallow your pride and say "good fight, but i can't take it anymore, please let me leave". No one cares if that is what you actually believe, but you damn well say it when you are ASKING your enemies to let you off the hook.

As i said before, i don't care, it's easy naq farming you, i'm just trying to get you to understand simple concepts about surrendering with good grace.

[The Doctor]

Could a mod please delete this post?

[pianomutt20000]

Actually, i did try contacting you deni.


As for my history with OE, bah. I was a member for a long time, I returned, they didn't want me...so i went elsewhere.


You are more then welcome to Ask JediTank why he assured me. I'm not claiming loyalists in DDE, though I have some friends there.


I was just pointing out that you lied in your statements that you offered "all". You didn't. As I followed the terms to the letter.


Feel free to go back and reread your statement, and then show me where it's true? Unless you mistyped.


Bill

I can understand your bitterness to some extend but calling me a liar is a but too far fetched.

Maybe you should go back and read the terms again especially the part saying that we will be generally inclined to accept but reserve the right to deny surrenders. So far we have done so in a very few cases mostly involving players that are seen as traitors by DDE and OE.

I didn't say anything about the terms, I just pointed out that your last comment was a lie. Should I get you a definition of everyone? You should say "selective". Easy enough mistake. By stating everyone, since not everyone was accepted it was a lie. By stating selective, it would be more accurate, but it would lack the propaganda value.

It also amazes me that far worse enemies to OE and FUALL and all that junk are let off, while someone who has done very little has been denied.


Examine your comment, look at my point and tell me I am wrong. I didn't comment on the terms, just on the recent statement.

Bill

[deni]

Actually, i did try contacting you deni.


As for my history with OE, bah. I was a member for a long time, I returned, they didn't want me...so i went elsewhere.


You are more then welcome to Ask JediTank why he assured me. I'm not claiming loyalists in DDE, though I have some friends there.


I was just pointing out that you lied in your statements that you offered "all". You didn't. As I followed the terms to the letter.


Feel free to go back and reread your statement, and then show me where it's true? Unless you mistyped.


Bill

I can understand your bitterness to some extend but calling me a liar is a but too far fetched.

Maybe you should go back and read the terms again especially the part saying that we will be generally inclined to accept but reserve the right to deny surrenders. So far we have done so in a very few cases mostly involving players that are seen as traitors by DDE and OE.

I didn't say anything about the terms, I just pointed out that your last comment was a lie. Should I get you a definition of everyone? You should say "selective". Easy enough mistake. By stating everyone, since not everyone was accepted it was a lie. By stating selective, it would be more accurate, but it would lack the propaganda value.

It also amazes me that far worse enemies to OE and FUALL and all that junk are let off, while someone who has done very little has been denied.


Examine your comment, look at my point and tell me I am wrong. I didn't comment on the terms, just on the recent statement.

Bill

*sighs*

We have offered everyone who wished to exit the war a chance to do so under a minimum set of terms.

i highlighted the part you seem to miss

[pianomutt20000]

yes, but even those that followed all the instructions....you didn't accept them. So therefore the terms are not for everyone.



Logic is not what is causing the denial. It's purely spite Like I said, selective not everyone.


Sighs back

Bill

[The Doctor]

Could a mod please delete this post?

[deni]

Yes, you are right. You read the terms selectively

[pianomutt20000]

Actually, i did try contacting you deni.


As for my history with OE, bah. I was a member for a long time, I returned, they didn't want me...so i went elsewhere.


You are more then welcome to Ask JediTank why he assured me. I'm not claiming loyalists in DDE, though I have some friends there.


I was just pointing out that you lied in your statements that you offered "all". You didn't. As I followed the terms to the letter.


Feel free to go back and reread your statement, and then show me where it's true? Unless you mistyped.


Bill

I can understand your bitterness to some extend but calling me a liar is a but too far fetched.

Maybe you should go back and read the terms again especially the part saying that we will be generally inclined to accept but reserve the right to deny surrenders. So far we have done so in a very few cases mostly involving players that are seen as traitors by DDE and OE.

I didn't say anything about the terms, I just pointed out that your last comment was a lie. Should I get you a definition of everyone? You should say "selective". Easy enough mistake. By stating everyone, since not everyone was accepted it was a lie. By stating selective, it would be more accurate, but it would lack the propaganda value.

It also amazes me that far worse enemies to OE and FUALL and all that junk are let off, while someone who has done very little has been denied.


Examine your comment, look at my point and tell me I am wrong. I didn't comment on the terms, just on the recent statement.

Bill

*sighs*

We have offered everyone who wished to exit the war a chance to do so under a minimum set of terms.

i highlighted the part you seem to miss

So I was denied why? If it was all just because of that "belief in who will win" statement, I'm sorry for that...I just wanted to give them my luck for the rest of their conflict. (yes theirs, not mine, (highlighting that for those who seem to think that I am still a part of TJP/TTF))

Please let me know what you would like me to do if you were to reconsider accepting my surrender. I also apologise to those who have been on the recieving end of my bitterness while trying to sort this out.

Meh, good luck with that. They rarely revisit an opinion, in the event they get enough members around for a vote. If they decide that they dislike you, they will deny ya. Graciousness isn't a trait that they embrace.

[The Doctor]

Could a mod please delete this post?

[Borek]

yes, but even those that followed all the instructions....you didn't accept them. So therefore the terms are not for everyone.



Logic is not what is causing the denial. It's purely spite Like I said, selective not everyone.


Sighs back

Bill

if you wanted to have your surrender accepted bill then you would have stopped trying to cause strife within OE a long time ago. But noooo, you just can't keep quiet on the matter. Most times you post it's to comment about OE, stir up trouble, do you really think we would forget your constant accusations of having various spies feeding you info, your numerous attempts to get Alpha to break up over the fact that ETL vetoed your attempted return to OE when you know full well that there was a load of history that made it highly unlikely OE would want you back even if you still had friends in Alpha.

Even now you are whining about the fact and trying to make it seem like we are unreasonable. This is not the behaviour of someone who can expect to be allowed to surrender, it is definately the behaviour of someone with a big chip on their shoulder, who just LOVES the attention and drama gained from being seen to be a victim when infact it's all 100% self inflicted by many pretty despicable acts of war that quite frankly go beyond what most people would consider reasonable even in a war game.

Truth is you love being the centre of attention, in this particular case it's attempting to convince the forum users that big bad FUALL is picking on poor innocent Bill. Sorry, you should know by now that we don't really care what anyone else thinks about our decisions, so you're wasting your time trying. But hey, we both know you don't really care about that, this is just you being a Drama Queen, so in that respect i'm sure you will enjoy the extra attention i have given you by wasting 5 mins typing this post, lol.

Simple answer for you is:

No, you cannot leave the war, your crimes against FUALL are too severe and you show no signs of changing your ways, if we let you go you would still attempt to stir up trouble in OE, we don't trust you and your continued arguing just reinforces that opinion.

[pianomutt20000]

yes, but even those that followed all the instructions....you didn't accept them. So therefore the terms are not for everyone.



Logic is not what is causing the denial. It's purely spite Like I said, selective not everyone.


Sighs back

Bill

if you wanted to have your surrender accepted bill then you would have stopped trying to cause strife within OE a long time ago. But noooo, you just can't keep quiet on the matter. Most times you post it's to comment about OE, stir up trouble, do you really think we would forget your constant accusations of having various spies feeding you info, your numerous attempts to get Alpha to break up over the fact that ETL vetoed your attempted return to OE when you know full well that there was a load of history that made it highly unlikely OE would want you back even if you still had friends in Alpha.

Even now you are whining about the fact and trying to make it seem like we are unreasonable. This is not the behaviour of someone who can expect to be allowed to surrender, it is definately the behaviour of someone with a big chip on their shoulder, who just LOVES the attention and drama gained from being seen to be a victim when infact it's all 100% self inflicted by many pretty despicable acts of war that quite frankly go beyond what most people would consider reasonable even in a war game.

Truth is you love being the centre of attention, in this particular case it's attempting to convince the forum users that big bad FUALL is picking on poor innocent Bill. Sorry, you should know by now that we don't really care what anyone else thinks about our decisions, so you're wasting your time trying. But hey, we both know you don't really care about that, this is just you being a Drama Queen, so in that respect i'm sure you will enjoy the extra attention i have given you by wasting 5 mins typing this post, lol.

Simple answer for you is:

No, you cannot leave the war, your crimes against FUALL are too severe and you show no signs of changing your ways, if we let you go you would still attempt to stir up trouble in OE, we don't trust you and your continued arguing just reinforces that opinion.

blahblahblah. Most of my posts have nothing to do with fuall. Also let's examine this "no signs of changing my ways"


I left the war...
Joined a training alliance to help new players...
And didn't cause any trouble for OE at all.....Though they hit me rather consistently.


Alpha did break up, and not just because of me. Don't lay the blame of that on me alone. Though, all those actions were during the course of the war.


As for my crimes being great and many, that is the biggest bunch of baloney that I've ever heard. All I want, is to leave the war and help smaller players. Instead for some reason you want me in the war..... makes no sense. I'm ready to be quiet, not post anything (btw, I hardly post about OE anymore, regardless of my personal opinion). So kindly refrain from lying


Most of my recent posts have been either about my surrender, ombudsman duties, and the bulk of them are in the AK/DT war thread. Which I am currently involved in as I am second in command of the AK Knights.

The most you can lay at my feet in this war, is part of the alpha break up and having a spy in Pi, though he's now moved on. Don't tell me that's not good to go, as we all know you do the same thing. Feel free to deny it, nobody is buying it. Heck, ask Rhett aka ETL yourself....he'll openly state that he has spies in various alliances.


I do care about getting it accepted, as i'm tired of wasting my resources rebuilding to G and R. This takes away from the naq I have set aside for Knights ascending. Frankly, I could care less about your politics anymore. I used to get enjoyment from playing a part and throwing a wrench in every now and again, but not anymore.



I don't see this chip on my shoulder, I'm just pointing out the obvious. The easiest way to get me out of your hair FOREVER, is to accept my surrender so I can concentrate on helping the newbies in my alliance. If I wanted to continue to be a thorn, I would have joined another Janus alliance...Or even a fuall alliance. Either of those would have pissed you all off greatly. However, I'm trying to enjoy a quiet retirement.



Name 1 crime against DDE.

Just one. I recall being on good terms with DDE besides this war, nor have I hit heavily any DDE member...Heck, why do you think I have a DDE CO.


Bill



BTW Haz,


It might help that i'm telling you it's not possible, they may do it just to spite me lol.

I've been in your position.

I've tried contacting various friends in dde and OE....They can't change it.
My alliance has tried contacting them directly....they don't even answer.
I have tried posting on the forum, and pm's. They either don't answer, or they are extremely rude.


Good luck, but I'm willing to bet that it'll be a long wait until the war is over.

Bill

[Mordack]

Alpha did break up, and not just because of me. Don't lay the blame of that on me alone. Though, all those actions were during the course of the war.

You were pretty keen to accept responsibility for the divisions within Alpha when they were happening. "Pianomutt loyalists" was, I believe, the phrase you used.

[pianomutt20000]

Alpha did break up, and not just because of me. Don't lay the blame of that on me alone. Though, all those actions were during the course of the war.

You were pretty keen to accept responsibility for the divisions within Alpha when they were happening. "Pianomutt loyalists" was, I believe, the phrase you used.

I didn't say that I wasn't part of it, I just said that I wasn't the sole cause.


Yeah, a bunch of my friends left both before and during the war. Yeah, if you look back...I stood up for them even when it was unpopular (the repatriation threads).

However that may be, I wasn't the sole cause. The Alpha leadership at the time was ready to leave anyways. They infact used their position to tax members of alpha to build up before they created tanks. I was against those sort of taxes because of the likelyhood of something like that happening.


I won't deny responsibility for my part. I actively talked with the leader of alpha at the time about the alliance breaking up, as he mentioned that he was going to do it anyways. However, what I wanted to do was gain leadership of the alliance from him. I'll admit it, I liked alpha a lot. There are some of the warmest people that i've met in that alliance. (Shout out to Tiny ) So yeah, I think they should be able to make their own decisions.....Their decision was to have me in the alliance...it was over ruled, the fact that their decision was over ruled is also one of the reasons the leadership broke it up.


I've always been of the opinion that everyone deserves a 2nd chance. I'm not asking to join alpha, those days are long since gone...I'm not asking to fight in Janus against those I believe wronged me. (one of the reasons I went to TG). I am asking to be allowed to help a harmless training alliance grow.

Bill