Perg ranks

[Lore]

No mate - the major flaw in perg (and the cause of a lot of the snags) - is that it allows ascended accounts in It is ridiculous that a Living God account + can be let into perg. Remember what perg is meant to be for (as a place to grow for newer and weaker accounts - a place to learn), and remember that ascended bonuses quickly make ascended accounts more powerful (not to mention more powerful weapons).

Also remember, when you ascend, you CHOOSE when to ascend - so if you choose to ascend without putting enough resources into reserve (held by somebody when you ascend), then you have made a poor choice. You said it yourself - a non ascended account has to be around 5 times bigger to be equal in strength!

And you said it yourself

Remember what perg is meant to be for (as a place to grow for newer and weaker accounts - a place to learn)

So I as a LG+1 decide to ascend, (O stats) Assasinate all my lifers away, strip out all my UU, abandon all my planets, and give away a 100K army size LG+2 with no stats to a noob for free.

You don't think that person/account is weak? or deserves a chance to live in purg?

[Wolf359]

No mate - the major flaw in perg (and the cause of a lot of the snags) - is that it allows ascended accounts in It is ridiculous that a Living God account + can be let into perg. Remember what perg is meant to be for (as a place to grow for newer and weaker accounts - a place to learn), and remember that ascended bonuses quickly make ascended accounts more powerful (not to mention more powerful weapons).

Also remember, when you ascend, you CHOOSE when to ascend - so if you choose to ascend without putting enough resources into reserve (held by somebody when you ascend), then you have made a poor choice. You said it yourself - a non ascended account has to be around 5 times bigger to be equal in strength!

And you said it yourself

Remember what perg is meant to be for (as a place to grow for newer and weaker accounts - a place to learn)

So I as a LG+1 decide to ascend, (O stats) Assasinate all my lifers away, strip out all my UU, abandon all my planets, and give away a 100K army size LG+2 with no stats to a noob for free.

You don't think that person/account is weak? or deserves a chance to live in purg?

No, I don't, because that person is CHOOSING to have that account (and a relatively advanced one at that, which already puts them way ahead of anybody else starting normally) - nobody is forcing them into it. If a noob wishes to have that account, then it's their own look out - why should they be allowed to have a relatively advanced account, and then get the same protection as other 'noobs'? Doesn't this effectively put them at an advantage over the others? An unfair one at that!

[GeneralChaos]

LOL perg is a gold mine it really is, im seriously tempted to sell off my UU over 240mill of it just to beable to enter perg, id just invest hard into MS and strike and farm everyone in there 10 x over.

[Juliette]

Sounds like a plan, GenC.

[Lore]

The way you are explaining it, you judge the account by itself, and not the player behind it. If thats the case then simple put all 0 to 1yr old accounts in purg and be done with it since its not the "person" that decides the if an account should be in purg. Its the account itself. Still can't see how you think a 1 month old noob account who squeaks out a minimul ascention with some help from a few friends doesn't deserve the benifits of purg.

Wolf, I respectfully disagree with you line of thinking on purg.

And thats all I have to say about that.

@ GC,,,,,atleast then we wouldn't have 50 mill size rank 1 "Protected" purg accounts. I just worry about your sanity, I hear its boring there.

[Wolf359]

It's fine you disagree - but to say I'm looking at it from the account rather than the person is totally incorrect - it's all about the person - and the CHOICE that that person makes.

It's all about CHOICE.

For perg to have worked like it was intended, ascended accounts should never have been let in - it would have avoided the majority of the problems that have occurred as a result, and I see absolutely no reason now why it still cannot be implemented - because like I say, it's all about CHOICE.

Players CHOOSE when to ascend, and in doing say they are also CHOOSING how to ascend and what resources they leave behind to help them rebuild. Players also CHOOSE whether to start out in the game like it was intended - from scratch - or whether to buy a high level ascended account/shell.

In my opinion, if you make 1 CHOICE, you should be able to get into perg - if you make the other CHOICE, you don't; similarly If you CHOOSE to ascend, you can't enter perg.

If all of perg was non-ascended accounts below a certain army level, then it would do exactly what it was meant to do - there is no argument that can be made to say otherwise.

Other players have hinted here that perg is a great place to be, or a 'goldmine' simply for the reason they can get into it - that isn't what it was meant to be.

[Lore]

It's fine you disagree - but to say I'm looking at it from the account rather than the person is totally incorrect - it's all about the person - and the CHOICE that that person makes.
hummmmm, I agree in one sense, but not in another. If you change purg now then you changed the paramiters of the game and a paramiter that would have changed the very "choice" you speak of. If implemebnted from start I would agree much more with you on it.
It's all about CHOICE.To you, but not everyone. Tho I do for most points find myself agreeing with you.

For perg to have worked like it was intended, ascended accounts should never have been let in - it would have avoided the majority of the problems that have occurred as a result, and I see absolutely no reason now why it still cannot be implemented - because like I say, it's all about CHOICE.ok if this is really what purg was meant for, then my not change the dimension for ascention and simply put all ascended accounts on the same plain of existance? This ideology is exactly what I offered as a suggestion back when ascention was dead the first time. Create dirrerent levels of existance and create a seperation by power. All non ascended in one realm, ascentions 1-3 in second realm, ascentions 4-6 in 3rd plain, 7-9 in fourth plain. Only in your example your "allowing" unascende accounts in the main realm knowing they can not compete and will get crushed for the most part. This will actually force more accounts into purg just to find a def that an unascended strike can handle. Then purg becomes a thriving community of its own AND then suddently purg needs a new purg to protect the new accounts from the 2 yrs old unascended accounts who rule the realm with an iron fist.


Vicious cycle

Players CHOOSE when to ascend, and in doing say they are also CHOOSING how to ascend and what resources they leave behind to help them rebuild. Players also CHOOSE whether to start out in the game like it was intended - from scratch - or whether to buy a high level ascended account/shell.I agree

In my opinion, if you make 1 CHOICE, you should be able to get into perg - if you make the other CHOICE, you don't; similarly If you CHOOSE to ascend, you can't enter perg.If thats how it was I would agree, now I'm not so sure

If all of perg was non-ascended accounts below a certain army level, then it would do exactly what it was meant to do - there is no argument that can be made to say otherwise.I think I made a good one just above,,,, because then purg would need a purg for the new purg accounts to be protected from the old purg accounts who wont ascend.

Other players have hinted here that perg is a great place to be, or a 'goldmine' simply for the reason they can get into it - that isn't what it was meant to be.The poor implementation of it will guarentee it will never be what it was intended to be.

[Wolf359]

The majority of updates to the game 'change the parameters' in some way - and we mustn't let changing that be a reason for not considering implementing certain suggestions that would make the game better overall - whether it changes peoples choices or not. The main reason I spoke about choice there was to highlight that it always has been (and always will be, whether this is implemented or not) down to the individuals choice as to when and thus how they ascend and manage their pre-ascension/post ascension resources.

[Lore]

The majority of updates to the game 'change the parameters' in some way - and we mustn't let changing that be a reason for not considering implementing certain suggestions that would make the game better overall - whether it changes peoples choices or not. The main reason I spoke about choice there was to highlight that it always has been (and always will be, whether this is implemented or not) down to the individuals choice as to when and thus how they ascend and manage their pre-ascension/post ascension resources.

That I do agree with.

But I also know the same as you know, an unascended account can not compete with ascended accounts for an length of time in any major "Live" conflict. So in essence, if you don't give someone a valid alteranative then they have no choice. Same problem with the Diamons.

[Wolf359]

an unascended account can not compete with ascended accounts for an length of time in any major "Live" conflict.

That's why I'm saying ascended accounts should not be able to enter perg.

[Morbius2271]

I think that you shouldn't be able to grow above the cap but that is the only change i want. I have a 10.7mil army ranked 826. I SUCK. I would be killed and have my planets stripped in main. So I think perg is fine, except the growing above the cap and the cap should be lowered to around 25mil

[xXxsephirothxXx]

If you just lower the army size, ascended accounts will be slightly better, but they wont be able to become good enough to do anything serious. I agree with lore, restricting ascended accounts is bad.

[grimgor]

if you do restricted ascended account then it be a tiny bit harder to get LG+1 but not much

all so if you ascended your a god so why would you run away to a new universe?

[xXxsephirothxXx]

if you do restricted ascended account then it be a tiny bit harder to get LG+1 but not much

all so if you ascended your a god so why would you run away to a new universe?

Lol obviously to become a god in the new universe!

[FEARLESS]

I agree. Perg is not a place for larger players to abuse.
Last time i visited, someone had a 2.5 tril strike for farming only.