Rek.

[pianomutt20000]

Rek asked me to bring up the issue of him being banned for a warning over a month ago.
Rek has formally appealed the ban given to him by Nimras for said warning.


After having examined the facts, gotten opinions, and analyzed information. I have reached the following opinion and conclusion.



The ban given to REK by Nimras was given for reasons of personal bias due to the ongoing war between their alliances.
I believe, that had it been anyone else and/or someone Nimras wasn't at war with, no ban would have been given.



My appeal to Nimras has resulted in a stalemate. So, I am officially asking an Admin to post their ruling here as per
the stated rules of appeal through the ombudsman.


Sincerely,
Pianomutt2000
Ombudsman

[Nimras]

Bill had it been anyone else such as a member of my own alliance, Mod, GM or admin i would have done the same.

It has nothing to do with who the person is or that my char ingame and when i arent a mod char is in war with what i did.

But i awaite the admins order as it would be nice to know for another time.

As when i have given a warning i do check users if they are on ban limit or over and should have been banned so if admins find it as a warning can get to old to allow a ban then i will note it and not do it again and even apolegies to REK for doing what i still think werent wrong and was the right thing to do with the current rules we have and that we allow warnings to stay for 6 month to count towards a permban.

Nimras

[pianomutt20000]

Nimras,

The appearance of bias is there, and any reasonable person who looks at this objectively will see bias.

If the warning was issued a month ago, and no ban was issued...then the fault is with the mod, not the player.
Therefore, given how time sensitive this game is......no ban should have been given.

Even if you need to credit a ban, it should be retroactive to the time of the warning...therefore, it would have been finished before this one started.

I am still of the opinion, that the manner in which this was handled was both improper and gives the appearance of bias.

I stand by my assessment,

Bill

[Nimras]

We will awaite the admins.

As i dont agree as we go by the rule of 9 warnings withing 6 month = permban or 3 bans withing 12 Month = permban for this to re reactivated you then nullify that we can do the just showed cases as then the warnings would be nullified because of your reason to do so.

With this we allow a user to break rules and get enough to be banned but because it is missed and the user instead of making mods aware of it dont meaning they get away with it but get cought by another mod later like in this case which are then brought to the attention of a GM in this case i was the one seeing it and therefore reacts. Then the user didnt get to go around being happy about missing a ban because they could.

But until admin has ruled on it i will not ban anyone again if it comes to attention we missed they should have been.

Nimras

[dukecarnige]

cool so whats being said hear is if there are old post that we point out to the mods people can be banded if they are shown to the admin. well that news is awsum allmost half of the people that post hear will be permanently band...

really if it takes u 6 months to get around to banning people. then mabby u have to put another mod on this section of the forum, allso all permanent bans should always be double checked bye another mod and approved.

if the said ofance happened a while ago u should take it on the chin and just think "bugger i should really pic up my game"... simply do your job better.

i dont know what rek has done to deserve a ban but im sorta gessing its not that bad since i havnt hurd any reputations about the subject so that tells me it realy wasnt some thing that bad. and mabby could have been over looked and just marked down as bad moding.

all tho this is just all my thoughts i dont achaly have all the information so my thoughts are only baced on the information i have "my apologies if i dont have the right info"

[Calibretto]

Nimras,

The appearance of bias is there, and any reasonable person who looks at this objectively will see bias.

If the warning was issued a month ago, and no ban was issued...then the fault is with the mod, not the player.
Therefore, given how time sensitive this game is......no ban should have been given.

Even if you need to credit a ban, it should be retroactive to the time of the warning...therefore, it would have been finished before this one started.

I am still of the opinion, that the manner in which this was handled was both improper and gives the appearance of bias.

I stand by my assessment,

Bill

I agree fully with Bill ow did I tell you I like your haircut

[Tekki]

Um... without going to track down the posts that are probably now modded anyway it does seem odd to ban someone for something that was 'a while back'.

Also, Nimras, while I'm sure you are trying to be unbiased, you are at war with them, so for any major decisions like banning someone, I would suggest that you at least get someone else to look at the decision first or even to do it. At least that way, any appearance of bias is removed. I know that might seem rather annoying to you but it's much easier that way rather than having the accusations and the impressions on people.

[pianomutt20000]

All,



Though I like the support for my assessment, I would ask that you refrain from multiple posts and/or arguments in this section.

However, if you wish to make a 2nd thread, specifically so that you and nimras can argue, I will allow it. It will however be deleted
after the issue is resolved. Nothing helps resolve deadlock, like good healthy debate.


This is being said now, to avoid having to warn people for spamming this thread. It's in the admin's hands now, and I want a clean
resolution to the situation. 2nd thread is ok, but I don't really want to see this become a posting ground for all of DDE.


Thank you,
Bill


Also, due to the sensitive nature of this topic, and of my section. I would once again ask that mods refrain from modding the ombudsman's corner unless it violates one of the major rules. I can enforce my own rules as I see necessary, and during a stressful debate I fully understand that tensions can be flared.

If you feel something is warn able, please pm me and I will assess it for myself.

[_Stu_]

This has to be a joke. REK should not be banned!!

[sneferuthegreat]

Nimras please ban me as well......
No forum for Rek no forum for me

[Wolfe]

bias i say, bias!!!!

[bebita]

if admin is around and looking here
please think deeper because this "mod" nimras is a joke
always bring more trouble that it must be and creating noise from nothing
he is using this mod to revenge game losing
example is rek here

[Draleg]

hmm , wat is the saying , leave dead cows in the ditch , dont go banning ppl for your show of power and then blame it on old warnings.

No wonder ppl get massed for " no reason " .

[thorsworld1]

Section 2: Warning Points
The standard penalty on the SGW forums is the giving of ‘warning points’.

If a user is given three warning points then the user will receive a two week ban. After receiving a third two week ban (nine warning points), the user will receive an indefinite ban.

Warning points are only valid for six months. After which time they will no longer count towards possible future bans. Two week bans stay on a user’s record for one year.

A user can only return from an indefinite ban after contacting the Ombudsperson and arranging a meeting with a forum admin at which the user will present their case for being unbanned. The user will also present two respected members of the community to vouch for the reinstatement.

the rules are there, what I do not know is how many bans Rek has had, whether or any of the bans are out of date, or whether or not any of the existing bans have already been over ruled and not removed


please give detials

[XenoX]

If he didnt get banned over a month ago wy ban him now....