Save the world?

[murkar]

I find it odd that everyone who has put down my earlier statement has failed to produce any actual evidence that people think global warming is BS. I would love to see evidence for that, and some links to the scientists that say global warming is BS. If you guys can produce any. I'd also love to see where you found that Canada and the UK believe global warming to be fake Medicus Atrum. I would love to see even two or three reports on how global warming is BS that come from a credible resource, because you've not listed any in your blind rant about how my mind is full of propaganda and how nothing I stated could be true. By the way, the earth is not 600k years old, it's closer to 4.5 Billion.

[Thriller]

DO you want some graphs or written papers?

[Thriller]

If only there was an epidemy whose ONLY effect would be to cause sterility...that way noone would die, just less would bear

*waits for criticism*

And well, global warming, you've already all threw out the mammoth's age I presume?
Like it was natural, so now, what happens is natural too.
We can discuss about it indeed, and as I see it's been done...

But saying Gore is fascist or anything like that...sorry but LMAO!
A democrat (don't remember?) is fascist...then what are republicans? Communists? (reverting theory I used to have fun :p )

What cannot be denied, is that humans destroyed, destroy, and will keep destroy (yes, those who keep doing it don't listen from ones who learnt from past mistakes, and when nothing will be left, they'll ONLY can blame THEMSELVES )
If population was smaller, less destruction would happen. That's when western countries developped themselves in numbers that destruction started.

AHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAA...... LOL, killing and destroying is as natural as breathing throughout history

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....LOL, I was talking about destroying forest and nature.

SO WAS I

[Cole]

If only there was an epidemy whose ONLY effect would be to cause sterility...that way noone would die, just less would bear

*waits for criticism*

And well, global warming, you've already all threw out the mammoth's age I presume?
Like it was natural, so now, what happens is natural too.
We can discuss about it indeed, and as I see it's been done...

But saying Gore is fascist or anything like that...sorry but LMAO!
A democrat (don't remember?) is fascist...then what are republicans? Communists? (reverting theory I used to have fun :p )

What cannot be denied, is that humans destroyed, destroy, and will keep destroy (yes, those who keep doing it don't listen from ones who learnt from past mistakes, and when nothing will be left, they'll ONLY can blame THEMSELVES )
If population was smaller, less destruction would happen. That's when western countries developped themselves in numbers that destruction started.

AHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAA...... LOL, killing and destroying is as natural as breathing throughout history

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....LOL, I was talking about destroying forest and nature.

SO WAS I

And yet the forests started to disappear on a noticeable rate at the end of 18th century...

[murkar]

DO you want some graphs or written papers?

I would love some.

[Medicus Atrum]

I find it odd that everyone who has put down my earlier statement has failed to produce any actual evidence that people think global warming is BS. I would love to see evidence for that, and some links to the scientists that say global warming is BS. If you guys can produce any. I'd also love to see where you found that Canada and the UK believe global warming to be fake Medicus Atrum. I would love to see even two or three reports on how global warming is BS that come from a credible resource, because you've not listed any in your blind rant about how my mind is full of propaganda and how nothing I stated could be true. By the way, the earth is not 600k years old, it's closer to 4.5 Billion.

Well, For starts: The BBC had a show about how Al Gore was full of it, I watched it myself. And the Canadian report I read about on the Internet, aswell as seeing it on a news channel, not sure which one, but I think it was MSNBC.

I'll post with some links in a bit, I'm playing QW and don't have much time on my hands, but I know I can make some time to whip up some goodies.
Oh, and the age of the Earth cannont be determined. To say it's one date or another is absurd, carbon dating hits a rock wall at a certain date, I thin it's about 6k years, and beyond there it's almost impossible to get an accurate date. I actually just read about that in my school science text book. I'll get back to ya later!

[urogard]

actually it's not 6k but around 60k

[Demeisen]

the earth was created 10k years ago by god. i can produce credible photos to confirm this.


the ages can be traced back accurately for many millions of years. carbon dating isnt as useful as the massive ammount of geological, fossil etc evidence. it all overlaps and forms a continuous line tracing back into the past. for the very distant past: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

saying whether global warming is happening is hard. you have to model the entire planet. thats not easy. personally i believe man is having an effect on the planet. what this effect is i cant say. but the ammount of damage we do has to do something. but seeing as we are currently in an iceage the warming could be natural, even if its being accelerated by mans activities. btw woman is innocent in this matter

[murkar]

Yes, warming more than 15 times the natural warming of the last 6 ice ages is quite normal.
My prediction?

ALL WILL END IN 2012.

[Rudy Peña]

I know how to save the world, just kill all the wetbacks and destory Mexico. Cause wetbacks makes lot of kids hell mexicans can fit a family of 10 in a 4 person car.

[Kieltyka]

Above comment: Wow.

[Rudy Peña]

Above comment: Wow.

Thanks

[Cole]

Yes, warming more than 15 times the natural warming of the last 6 ice ages is quite normal.
My prediction?

ALL WILL END IN 2012.

Mayan Calendar?

[Demeisen]

or the new apocalyptic event in the olympics?

put simply, man is raping the planet. people need to show respect and be efficient. the years of waste are over its time for careful use. i recycle all i can and try not to be pointless with resources. more people need to do this.

although its somewhat unfair on the developing world. the developed countries have had their revoultion so asking the poor countries to rein in their unrestrained growth is harsh, yet necessary. after all they will probably be the worst hit by climate change.

any problems we face will grow with the population. stephen hawking is right that we need to go to other worlds, although this seems a bit of a long term plan.

[Mister Sandman]

[spoiler]

With the estimations of having a world population reaching the 10 billions by the end of this century, there has to be measures taken. This is the result of some topics coming from this & that, that I came up with that.
Some will bring crazy ideas like select a certain type of people and wipe the rest. It's unacceptable. Some others will say, it's horrible to do anything there, noone has right to do anything about it, then they'll realize their mistake when world will collapse.
So we are infront of surviving of the planet and also political correctness. How to find a solution that meets BOTH of them?
It's easy.
European Union, Japan, Australia and Russia are surely not "guilty" in the growth. Some of them have almost negative population growth. Principal "guilty" ones are south Asia, Central Asia, Africa and South America.
What caracterize them? High born rates, high but decreasing death rates, growing up life lasting, not for all. So death rate decreases, and as good as it sounds, it has also bad effects: population sky rockets.
Help coming from "Western" Countries is big part of that developpement.
I've came up with an idea.
Unlike that thing being all given nothing giving, how about making them a deal like:
"If you decrease your birth rates to below 2.2 children by family, we'll give more help to develop and increase your health systems and eventually economy. However, if you carry on with >3/family, we'll stop every aid and you'll have to deal with it".
Sounds unfair?
Think a bit.
They make the population grow to a level we'll not be able to feed people anymore.
They'll screw their own countries food reserves as their countries aren't always a good weather to keep growing up cultures.
By having that much children, the aid is less effective, so it condemns all of them, by giving almost no help because too much are around, and giving more would be silly, for above reasons, IF those countries don't do efforts of course. If they do, they'll deserve more help, as a "gift", BUT will have to keep under or on the ~2.2/family.

So it's a less strict idea than China's one about birth, find myself one child per family is bit exagerated sometimes, so 2.2 is good, not saying your third one will have his/her hands/legs cut OF COURSE, just like average would be that. Majority of 2/family, some 1/family, and few 3/family.

My system would give better results as fewer poeple would be there, more effective feeding, more effective schools (not crazy amounts of people per class etc).

Let's talk on it, if you don't understand anything, ask away
That would probably solve the problem of crazy growth. To decrease world population however, that's too much risky thing to talk about, I prefer to remain on decreasing alot the growth!


"Help us, and we'll help you", is the idea's slogan, from rich countries to poor one, make less children, and then we'll help you develop your economy and help your EXISTING people, BUT NO crossing of the limit, otherwise, all goes away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... rowth_rate
http://www.photius.com/rankings/populat ... 008_0.html

[spoiler]1 Liberia 4.84
2 United Arab Emirates 4.00
3 Gaza Strip 3.66
4 Mayotte 3.62
5 Burundi 3.59
6 Uganda 3.57
7 Kuwait 3.56
8 Yemen 3.46
9 Congo, Democratic Republic of the 3.39
10 Oman 3.23
11 Sao Tome and Principe 3.13
12 Madagascar 3.01
13 Burkina Faso 3.00
14 West Bank 2.99
15 Niger 2.90
16 Mauritania 2.87
17 Comoros 2.84
18 Somalia 2.83
19 Kenya 2.80
20 Gambia, The 2.78
21 Rwanda 2.77
22 Maldives 2.73
23 Turks and Caicos Islands 2.72
24 Togo 2.72
25 Mali 2.68
26 Benin 2.67
27 Senegal 2.65
28 Congo, Republic of the 2.64
29 Afghanistan 2.63
30 Guinea 2.62
31 Iraq 2.62
32 Solomon Islands 2.54
33 Cayman Islands 2.50
34 Eritrea 2.46
34 Northern Mariana Islands 2.46
35 Haiti 2.45
36 Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) 2.44
37 Paraguay 2.42
38 Jordan 2.41
39 Qatar 2.39
40 Malawi 2.38
41 Nigeria 2.38
42 Laos 2.37
43 Chad 2.32
44 Sierra Leone 2.29
45 Ethiopia 2.27
46 Libya 2.26
47 Belize 2.26
48 Syria 2.24
49 Cameroon 2.24
50 Kiribati 2.24
51 Marshall Islands 2.21
52 Angola 2.18
53 Papua New Guinea 2.16
54 Guatemala 2.15
55 Nepal 2.13
56 Tanzania 2.09
56 Honduras 2.09
57 Bhutan 2.08
57 Sudan 2.08
58 Saudi Arabia 2.06
59 Timor-Leste 2.06
60 Bangladesh 2.06
61 Guinea-Bissau 2.05
62 Gabon 2.04
63 Equatorial Guinea 2.02
64 Cote d'Ivoire 2.00
65 Djibouti 1.98
66 Ghana 1.97
67 British Virgin Islands 1.92
68 Tajikistan 1.90
69 Nicaragua 1.86
70 Tonga 1.85
71 Pakistan 1.83
72 Brunei 1.81
73 Mozambique 1.80
74 Nauru 1.78
75 Philippines 1.76
76 Malaysia 1.76
77 Uzbekistan 1.73
78 Cambodia 1.73
79 Egypt 1.72
80 El Salvador 1.70
81 Zambia 1.66
82 Turkmenistan 1.62
83 India 1.61
84 Panama 1.56
85 Ecuador 1.55
86 Tuvalu 1.54
87 Morocco 1.53
88 Aruba 1.52
89 Central African Republic 1.51
90 Botswana 1.50
91 Dominican Republic 1.50
92 Venezuela 1.49
92 Mongolia 1.49
93 French Polynesia 1.46
94 Vanuatu 1.46
95 Colombia 1.43
96 Bolivia 1.42
97 Costa Rica 1.41
98 Guam 1.40
99 Fiji 1.39
100 Bahrain 1.39
101 Anguilla 1.38
102 Kyrgyzstan 1.35
103 Saint Lucia 1.30
104 Samoa 1.29
105 Peru 1.29
106 Singapore 1.28
107 Palau 1.23
108 San Marino 1.22
109 Algeria 1.22
110 Indonesia 1.21
111 Luxembourg 1.21
112 New Caledonia 1.20
113 Lebanon 1.20
114 World 1.17
115 Israel 1.15
116 Mexico 1.15
117 Ireland 1.14
118 Suriname 1.10
119 Montserrat 1.05
120 Turkey 1.04
121 Brazil 1.01
122 Vietnam 1.00
123 Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.00
124 Tunisia 0.99
125 Sri Lanka 0.98
126 New Zealand 0.95
127 Argentina 0.94
128 Chile 0.92
129 United States 0.89
130 Canada 0.87
131 Andorra 0.84
132 Macau 0.84
133 Iceland 0.82
133 Australia 0.82
134 Burma 0.82
135 Mauritius 0.80
136 Korea, North 0.79
137 Jamaica 0.78
137 Netherlands Antilles 0.78
138 Liechtenstein 0.75
139 Azerbaijan 0.69
140 Thailand 0.66
140 Iran 0.66
141 Saint Kitts and Nevis 0.62
142 Cape Verde 0.61
142 China 0.61
143 Bahamas, The 0.60
144 Zimbabwe 0.60
145 France 0.59
146 Bermuda 0.58
147 Hong Kong 0.56
148 Faroe Islands 0.54
149 Saint Helena 0.53
150 Albania 0.53
151 Cyprus 0.53
151 Antigua and Barbuda 0.53
152 Isle of Man 0.51
153 Uruguay 0.50
154 Namibia 0.48
155 Netherlands 0.46
156 Seychelles 0.43
157 Malta 0.41
158 Korea, South 0.39
159 Puerto Rico 0.39
160 Monaco 0.39
161 Switzerland 0.38
162 Barbados 0.37
163 Norway 0.36
164 Kazakhstan 0.35
165 Grenada 0.34
166 Portugal 0.33
167 Denmark 0.31
168 Taiwan 0.30
169 United Kingdom 0.28
170 Cuba 0.27
171 Macedonia 0.26
172 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 0.25
173 Jersey 0.24
174 Guernsey 0.24
175 Guyana 0.23
176 Dominica 0.18
177 Greece 0.16
178 European Union 0.16
179 Sweden 0.16
180 Slovakia 0.15
181 Lesotho 0.14
182 Gibraltar 0.13
183 Saint Pierre and Miquelon 0.13
184 Finland 0.13
185 Belgium 0.12
186 Spain 0.12
187 Austria 0.08
188 Italy 0.01
189 Norfolk Island 0.01
190 Holy See (Vatican City) 0.00
190 Pitcairn Islands 0.00
190 Christmas Island 0.00
190 Cocos (Keeling) Islands 0.00
191 Svalbard -0.01
192 Tokelau -0.02
193 Greenland -0.03
194 Niue -0.03
195 Germany -0.03
196 Croatia -0.04
197 Poland -0.05
198 Slovenia -0.07
199 Czech Republic -0.07
200 Japan -0.09
201 Moldova -0.11
202 Romania -0.13
203 Armenia -0.13
204 Micronesia, Federated States of -0.15
205 Virgin Islands -0.17
206 Hungary -0.25
207 American Samoa -0.26
208 Lithuania -0.29
209 Georgia -0.33
210 Swaziland -0.34
211 Belarus -0.41
212 South Africa -0.46
213 Russia -0.48
214 Estonia -0.64
215 Latvia -0.65
216 Ukraine -0.68
217 Bulgaria -0.84
218 Trinidad and Tobago -0.88
219 Montenegro -1.00
220 Cook Islands -1.20[/spoiler]
2008 numbers

Save it from what?
Save it from atmosphere disappearing, with pollution made by growing up of world population, it's disappearing. Australia is already menaced by that. For Antarctica, it's over.
If population carries on growing, the semi desertic regions (where it's mostly concentrated), will become desertic, and we can expect what would happen to their inhabitants.
Also, water level is going up, some countries like Bangladesh are threatend by it. Their land is being reduced, but their population keep growing fastly, so, more killed people on new flood disasters each time.
Growth of population means we have to destroy forests to find new places to build homes, find petroleum (as reserves are almost out), create new cultures to feed more people. It means, the nature will disappear, and all bad effects it would do on us (like no limitation for floods, less plants to create meds, worsening of the air quality etc...).
Water reserves will run out. Transforming sea water into something possible to be used costs alot. That means, there will be many problems...who knows? More wars to control the little reserves remaining? Again, many will die with that.
I could carry on with what a population growth not being slowed would generate, because there's still plenty to say!

[/Spoiler]

Point 1- Increase in population does not mean increase in the destruction of forests.
Point 2 - Increase in population does not mean increase in the demand of fossil fuels. It just means the demand for energy. People can use alternatives.
Point 3 - We can create lager amounts of food without increasing the land usage.
Point 4- With proper management water reserves would not run out.
Point 5 - The population growth is lager in developing countries... not developed countries..

With proper international management, there can be more of a population.