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Should gay marraiges be allowed?

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Re: Homosexual Marraige

Universe wrote:Procreation argument is null and void.
There's too many humans already, all humans being left alive no matter their illnesses etc.
Pretty pointless, if you ask me. Only weakens the gene pool.

Though, nobody has the right to decide whether you can live or not, unless it's in a country allowing death penalty, but then, only murders and other criminals are concerned.
So, with your statement, euthanasia should be applied on close-to-death people.
From what I know, Netherlands allows euthanasia so it's not like in your country "too much people" is a problem..
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duderanch wrote:To be honest the human race has grown beyond its need for everyone to pro-create to pro-long the species. Don't you think?

Also, how is being a nazi and being homosexual similair in any way?


The world hasn't yet met the carrying capacity. It is possible to fee everyone! Its issues of location.

Plus, the main growth of population is in Africans countries.

Western countries are not having any substantial growth.

And I were making a abstract example with the nazi comment.

Universe wrote:Procreation argument is null and void.
There's too many humans already, all humans being left alive no matter their illnesses etc.
Pretty pointless, if you ask me. Only weakens the gene pool.


Thats really not a case....

Ive presented why it is ethically wrong, and evolutionary wrong. You cant ague with that..


LegendaryApophis wrote:
Universe wrote:Procreation argument is null and void.
There's too many humans already, all humans being left alive no matter their illnesses etc.
Pretty pointless, if you ask me. Only weakens the gene pool.

Though, nobody has the right to decide whether you can live or not, unless it's in a country allowing death penalty, but then, only murders and other criminals are concerned.
So, with your statement, euthanasia should be applied on close-to-death people.
From what I know, Netherlands allows euthanasia so it's not like in your country "too much people" is a problem..


Agreed...
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duderanch wrote:To be honest the human race has grown beyond its need for everyone to pro-create to pro-long the species. Don't you think?

Also, how is being a nazi and being homosexual similair in any way?


The world hasn't yet met the carrying capacity. It is possible to fee everyone! Its issues of location.

Plus, the main growth of population is in Africans countries.

Western countries are not having any substantial growth.

And I were making a abstract example with the nazi comment.

Universe wrote:Procreation argument is null and void.
There's too many humans already, all humans being left alive no matter their illnesses etc.
Pretty pointless, if you ask me. Only weakens the gene pool.


Thats really not a case....

Ive presented why it is ethically wrong, and evolutionary wrong. You cant ague with that..


LegendaryApophis wrote:
Universe wrote:Procreation argument is null and void.
There's too many humans already, all humans being left alive no matter their illnesses etc.
Pretty pointless, if you ask me. Only weakens the gene pool.

Though, nobody has the right to decide whether you can live or not, unless it's in a country allowing death penalty, but then, only murders and other criminals are concerned.
So, with your statement, euthanasia should be applied on close-to-death people.
From what I know, Netherlands allows euthanasia so it's not like in your country "too much people" is a problem..


Agreed...

Was my input to solve excessive growth of population:
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Sadly, great minds like Semper hunted for its flaws, and proved it would be uneffective. :(
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Re: Homosexual Marraige

Reductio ad Hitlerum.
Everything is his fault, he is to blame.
Also for gays.
And HIV.
And.. erm.. evolution.



Anyway, I'm working. So, not able to present a good point.
Semper would sweep the floor with you, Sandman.
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Re: Homosexual Marraige

Brdavs you cannot argue with a closed minded individual - They base their assumptions on completely irrational behaviour and with very limited arguementation due to the fact that they are too blind to see anything else.

It's sad that as current their is a 5:10 ratio of voting on the matter. Perhaps people are still too childish to believe in a thing known as freedom or equal rights - perhaps not, due to freedom being atrificual in the sense that we live in a world lead by fear and hate. Either way - it still disappoints me to see what kind of world we live in.

Few thousand years of development means nothing if we can't get past a basic principle of tollerence to one another. No this is not an insult to those that disagree with gay marriages, that is your right. It's merely a view I have on what drives people to make a decision.
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Universe wrote:Reductio ad Hitlerum.
Everything is his fault, he is to blame.
Also for gays.
And HIV.
And.. erm.. evolution.



Anyway, I'm working. So, not able to present a good point.
Semper would sweep the floor with you, Sandman.

Can't be said for all, it's from monkeys that HIV apparently came. Well who knows afterall..
I got to agree it's his fault for some things though...
If only we could blame everything on him, it would be cool! :(

I also forgot abortion along with euthanasia..only "allowed" ways to moderate the pop growth. Controversial ones I agree.
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Universe wrote:Semper would sweep the floor with you, Sandman.


Doubt it.

Miss4tunE wrote:Brdavs you cannot argue with a closed minded individual - They base their assumptions on completely irrational behaviour and with very limited arguementation due to the fact that they are too blind to see anything else.

It's sad that as current their is a 5:10 ratio of voting on the matter. Perhaps people are still too childish to believe in a thing known as freedom or equal rights - perhaps not, due to freedom being atrificual in the sense that we live in a world lead by fear and hate. Either way - it still disappoints me to see what kind of world we live in.

Few thousand years of development means nothing if we can't get past a basic principle of tollerence to one another. No this is not an insult to those that disagree with gay marriages, that is your right. It's merely a view I have on what drives people to make a decision.


Funny word freedom, one can never attain freedom. We are all restricted.

Equal rights - Yes, we all do have rights, we have the right to marry the other sex. We do have a right to education. We get to choose who we want to marry. We have too many rights.
Look at some countries with not as many rights.... Seems more, how you say, blissful.
"human rights" is subjective. Purely and utterly subjective.

For one, I'm left-wigged, some might say communist. But there are ethical rights as well as human rights. Is it ethical to have abortion? No, its NEVER ethical to kill a life. Enabling homosexual marriages would be violating ethical rights. Why? Because it will be condoning the ideal of being homosexual.

Which I have stated is against evolution and ethics.

Do I personally have anything against gays? No!
It is their choice, but, the society should not condone that choice.

Its basically saying, should sex before marriage be allowed? Of course it shouldn't - due to all the social and ethical detriments it brings. - But it happens anyway. However, as human beings we should not be the one to say, "It doesnt matter, its all cool, yah, I encourage homosexual relationships"

Thats just like saying smoking the reefer is good, adn that you encourage taking drugs.
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Mister Sandman wrote:
Universe wrote:Semper would sweep the floor with you, Sandman.


Doubt it.

Miss4tunE wrote:Brdavs you cannot argue with a closed minded individual - They base their assumptions on completely irrational behaviour and with very limited arguementation due to the fact that they are too blind to see anything else.

It's sad that as current their is a 5:10 ratio of voting on the matter. Perhaps people are still too childish to believe in a thing known as freedom or equal rights - perhaps not, due to freedom being atrificual in the sense that we live in a world lead by fear and hate. Either way - it still disappoints me to see what kind of world we live in.

Few thousand years of development means nothing if we can't get past a basic principle of tollerence to one another. No this is not an insult to those that disagree with gay marriages, that is your right. It's merely a view I have on what drives people to make a decision.


Funny word freedom, one can never attain freedom. We are all restricted.

"human rights" is subjective. Purely and utterly subjective.


Same could be said about ethics and evolution. (subjective)

Note I did say that bit about freedom hun.
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Re: Homosexual Marraige

duderanch wrote:To be honest the human race has grown beyond its need for everyone to pro-create to pro-long the species. Don't you think?

Also, how is being a nazi and being homosexual similar in any way?


erm...cuz both are an affront to humanity and everything descent!?!?

do you believe in God? if you do, then both should be an affront to you to.




i know i said i would depart from the topic but i had to respond to the above.
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Re: Homosexual Marraige

I used to think almost the same but now feel it's wrong...they shouldn't get marriage indeed, but allowed to practice whatever they do, IF in private, as long as it bothers noone, since it's not against the law. But not bothering people on streets etc..
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LegendaryApophis wrote:I used to think almost the same but now feel it's wrong...they shouldn't get marriage indeed, but allowed to practice whatever they do, IF in private, as long as it bothers noone, since it's not against the law. But not bothering people on streets etc..


If people are allowed to practice whatever they want...
Why not allow people to practice terrorism then?
Why not legalise murder, rape, and pillaging?
Why not legalise cannibalism?
Enabling homosexual marriage questions the stance on morality and issues of our "liberalness".

Homosexual marriage is moral terrorism, it ultimately kills, rapes and robs people of their innocence. It eats away at the flesh of society and ethics.

It still happens even if in "private". No marriage is private. Nothing is private.

As I keep on saying, I have nothing against homosexuals, Just the idea of enabling these abominations is condoning the sin and therefore wrong.
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LegendaryApophis wrote:I used to think almost the same but now feel it's wrong...they shouldn't get marriage indeed, but allowed to practice whatever they do, IF in private, as long as it bothers noone, since it's not against the law. But not bothering people on streets etc..



i cant speak with regards to laws in other country's jim, but here in the UK, buggery (anal sex, be it with a man or woman) is against the law.

the problem is, even if straight people wanted to make homosexuality illegal, the police wouldn't be able to enforce such a law, so i agree with you jim, so long as i don't see it, hear about it or come across it in anyway shape or form.
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Mister Sandman wrote:
LegendaryApophis wrote:I used to think almost the same but now feel it's wrong...they shouldn't get marriage indeed, but allowed to practice whatever they do, IF in private, as long as it bothers noone, since it's not against the law. But not bothering people on streets etc..


If people are allowed to practice whatever they want...
Why not allow people to practice terrorism then?
Why not legalise murder, rape, and pillaging?
Why not legalise cannibalism?
Enabling homosexual marriage questions the stance on morality and issues of our "liberalness".

Homosexual marriage is moral terrorism, it ultimately kills, rapes and robs people of their innocence. It eats away at the flesh of society and ethics.

It still happens even if in "private". No marriage is private. Nothing is private.

As I keep on saying, I have nothing against homosexuals, Just the idea of enabling these abominations is condoning the sin and therefore wrong.

I meant what a couple can do, by "whatever they want"...nothing like cannibalism or terrorism.. :roll:
Seeing two people from same gender kissing on the streets...not something people like to see for example lol
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@avenger: the fact you have it illegal is nothing but a testemon of the "uniqueness" of your legal system. Laws from the middle ages are technically still in effect but noone enforces them. And if they did, youd find it veeeery easy to declare them unconstitutional and agaisnt the general norms of civilized nations. Such querks in your paperwork are not arguments to support the validity of such blatantly absurd and discriminating "practices" but only punchlines and sorce of laughter if not ridicule in the legal and indeed general community.

Mister Sandman wrote:
If people are allowed to practice whatever they want...
Why not allow people to practice terrorism then?
Why not legalise murder, rape, and pillaging?
Why not legalise cannibalism?
Enabling homosexual marriage questions the stance on morality and issues of our "liberalness".

Homosexual marriage is moral terrorism, it ultimately kills, rapes and robs people of their innocence. It eats away at the flesh of society and ethics.

It still happens even if in "private". No marriage is private. Nothing is private.

As I keep on saying, I have nothing against homosexuals, Just the idea of enabling these abominations is condoning the sin and therefore wrong.


There is a lot of loling material in there, if you get past the fact all the above mentioned comparrisons are frankly offensive to intelect, but the bold part takes the ultimate cake, considering the context heh. Its allways funny to see that deep deep down even the sternest critics and "haters" feel some need to be apologetic, at some level atleast. "I hate all racists and all blacks" thing hehe...

The only "moral terorism" here is one of the conservative belief that a legalized same-sex union is a "sin" and will be "detremant to the innocence of our society" and that therefore that particular conservative notions must be legalized. Netherlands legalized this unions almost a decade ago + they legalized weed. And strangley enough they have yet to be swolen up by the ocean or descend into anarchy.
Seriously? I dunno where you have been living but todays society, especially that in the US, is anything BUT "innocent" lol. And the bigest kick in the head is that the main critics of things tend to also support the polar opposites. Pro life people clinging to their guns for their life (pun intended). A naked woman on tv is detremental to childrens morals and psyche whilst every one loves a good action flick with killing galore etc. etc. Honestly, a lesbian couple getting a few rights is the least of todays societies problems. I call that good old fashioned hypocracy.

In other words, people are free to do whatever they want. As long as they do what we want/condone them to do. A plural society of one heh. :P


And to the people that keep bringing up the "evolution blunder" argument... There are studies that show Earth could comfortably accomodate no more than 3bil humans. 50% of our current number. Perhaps this is not "unnatural" but a natural balancing mechanism? :P
All joking aside, however you think they "came about", theyre still here and theyre human freaking beings in the 21st century. As are "we normal ones", so the rumour goes. (And I thought we were the ones fighting extremism. ;P)


But, alas, Miss4tunE is probably right. You have zero chance of convincing someone entrenched in the rationalle of their particular "etos"... You have to weather it out till realisation of the fears being unfounded comes about. Happened before, for anal sex for instance. And our gr8 gr8 gr8 grandchildren will prolly be shaking their heads at people of color riding on the back and of the bus and homosexuals being second class citizens in numerous aspects. Something for all of you to look forward too heh.

Decadent Europe leading the way, all the way baby. lulz. :P
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[quote="LegendaryApophis":**Filtered**]Seeing two people from same gender kissing on the streets...not something people like to see for example lol[/quote:**Filtered**]
People do if they're girls.
They being the kissing ones.
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