Homosexual Marraige

[Cole]

Politically correct =/= mature.

In fact, it has nothing to do with maturity.

I disagree in my case.
If you remain the same that you used to be (if you were doing it wrong especially), you're not growing up [properly].
I was political incorrect, and I was a teen. I then became 18, felt I should get rid of teenage noobiness, so I became political correct to make a gap with my former "me".
Totally logical.
Don't care if others disagree, I did so, that's all!

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*drools all over forums* Brdav's just awesome

[Juliette]

Politically correct =/= mature.

In fact, it has nothing to do with maturity.

I disagree in my case.
If you remain the same that you used to be (if you were doing it wrong especially), you're not growing up [properly].
I was political incorrect, and I was a teen. I then became 18, felt I should get rid of teenage noobiness, so I became political correct to make a gap with my former "me".
Totally logical.

Well yes.. what can one expect from Obama's fanboi.



*votes against gay marriages*

Yes. It will be overturned in Connecticut and Massachusetts too.
It is the order of things.

[Cole]

Politically correct =/= mature.

In fact, it has nothing to do with maturity.

I disagree in my case.
If you remain the same that you used to be (if you were doing it wrong especially), you're not growing up [properly].
I was political incorrect, and I was a teen. I then became 18, felt I should get rid of teenage noobiness, so I became political correct to make a gap with my former "me".
Totally logical.

Well yes.. what can one expect from Obama's fanboi.



*votes against gay marriages*

Yes. It will be overturned in Connecticut and Massachusetts too.
It is the order of things.

What was the "because you are Obama fanboi" meaning there?
Oh yes, couldn't be/mean something else than changing for a better way and improving self!
And I'm not a fanboy.
Fanboy have posters, shirts etc...I have none.

And anyway I'm not the one with a giant sig about elections!



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I find that woman more appealing than the whole lot of half nude kissing lesbians you posted Brdavs, anyway!
Beauty is all what matters for me, couldn't care less of hotness of one!

[Mordack]

The "God" argument is a bit of a silly one. There may indeed be parts of the bible which can be read as inherently homophobic, but the same time there are numerous passages which advocate tolerance, understanding and acceptance of diversity. There are just as many passages in the bible which can be used to justify gay marriage as can be used to denounce it. As is the case with everything in the bible; it's open to user interpretation.

Provide the evidence of stating that homosexual marriages are ethically "right".

I wasn't claiming that there's a passage in the bible implicitly advocating homosexuality. There isn't.. but there are more than enough passages which advocate tolerance and good will towards all men. The bible is a book of love at the end of the day, and I think that organizations like the Westboro Baptist Church are doing a great injustice to their religion with the way they behave. Having moral objections is all well and good, but picketing funerals etcetera is out of order.

That being said, I don't have an especially strong opinion on gay marriage. I'm fairly open minded when it comes to sexuality, but I don't think the gay agenda does itself many favours by harping on about gay marriage. Their main focus should be on combatting ingrained homophobia and changing some people's perceptions of homosexuality. Demanding instant marriage strikes me as being a little like wanting the cart before you've got the horse.

[Cole]

Well Westboro Baptist Church are extremists afaik...not surprising they behave wrongly!
And as I said, gays aren't much of a problem, if you did read one of my posts explaining why. Not a problem for us straight guys, quite the contrary even!
Two spots emptied for one more couple of gays among the ranks of men. I realized it recently by thinking about it.
Being homophobic on homos themselves is wrong, as afterall, they help quite alot the straight people indirectly!
Doesn't mean though I change my view on what they are doing, being something that others shouldn't see!

[MajorLeeHurts]

Bans on gay marriage, if the origin and basis is taken from the bible is not separation of church and state. These lines have been crossed way to much as of late.

and you all are ignoring the fact that gay couples who have been together for years and who have had children by many means and live like married couples can not put there partners on their health insurance , can not file taxes as married and can not receive the spousal benefits offered to non gay couples.

Its the legalities involved with marriage they deserve and are fighting for not the sex ffs

so your saying Lois that a homosexual individual who has been in a relationship long enough to be covered by common law should not have health insurance via their partner because of a sexual preference.

[semper]

I think there is a very simple answer to this. The idea of marriage is the joining of two souls in holy matrimony, one a male spirit the other female. Its the whole Ying Yang thing, the two different halves making a whole. The process, the concept is that. I think it is totally preposterous to suggest two people of the same sex can get 'married' in the conventional sense. It goes against one of the main founding principles of the action of getting married. Not to mention, if it is a religious ceremony it is desecrating the faith, but on that note! I dont know what way the church is going these days, seems they're changing what they believe every other day to suit the masses...(side note, a interesting parallel to Carl Marx..)

However, I do believe that these 'civil partnerships', where a same sex couple are given all the material rights of a married couple, are all fine and dandy. I dont want the guys to be miserable after all!

If they want all the special spiritual stuff and the full church shabang, or even to have a ceremony considered a wedding and not just a civil partnership, well I think that should just be a simple case of tuff tities...It is a downside of the life they lead.

On a further note, just to throw it out there. I do not agree with SSC's adopting children either, another outrageous right they have managed to get their hands on. Why? Well...the psychological implications caused to the child. Two dads? Two mums? The kid may even, after seeing the relationship first hand become psychologically dispositioned towards being a homosexual. (Though that latter is nature nurture stuff...) Yes, society might have become more tolerable, but children have not, imagine the reaction that kid will get at school, bullying can ruin people at any age.

It just dose not sit right with the big dawg...

[Cole]

Main reasons of why I fully disagree with them marrying/having children, just been mentionned!
People don't seem to realize what would happen to a child with two dads/mums...they should consider it before saying anything positive about it.
If adults with sanity and intelligence are hostile to it, then imagine what children/teens reactions would be infront of it.

[MajorLeeHurts]

I agree with you on most of that.

except the raising kids part, there are allot worse ways to raise kids these days for example 1 parent or just by default because humans can breed doesn't mean they should or can raise kids , lets be real here . but that is a whole different and controversial topic Im sure lol

and yes if the law accommodates for same sex civil unions all this would go away .... maybe lol

[Cole]

I agree with you on most of that.

except the raising kids part, there are allot worse ways to raise kids these days for example 1 parent or just by default because humans can breed doesn't mean they should or can raise kids , lets be real here . but that is a whole different and controversial topic Im sure lol

and yes if the law accommodates for same sex civil unions all this would go away .... maybe lol

uh?
What's wrong with raising a child with one parent?
It's not like it's their fault/they wanted it to be so..
When a dad leaves his wife and children stay with wife, I don't see what could be blamed on the mother!
Sure parents should stay together...but well it's not always possible.

[Brdavs]

Ask yourself something, what is the point in finding lesbians appealing guys?

I suppose its a challenge to convert them back to "our cause". And as every selfrespecting Don Huan will tell you... its all about the chase. And stacking up odds by going cross team... well now, the satisfaction at the end... just think about it. Is there a better ego boost for a guy than converting a sapphic faithfull?



And again, bringing up the question of "children" is clouding the issue by seeking an emotional "prtective" response. Adoption is a whole different can of worms and "influences on sexual preferences" are hiiiighly debatable. And I dont think that a joint tax report will cause Johnny from 2 houses down to start liking boys all of the sudden heh.

Mordack is right to a degree, agressive pursuit of rights can be counterproductive in a segment, I suppose. But history teaches us that without said pursuit that allianates a few you dont really get progress. If the suffragetes hadnt ruffled a few feathers, who knows how the whole voting thing etc. would have panned out. As they sing, you gotta fight for your right (to parteeeeee lol)...

[semper]

I agree with you on most of that.

except the raising kids part, there are allot worse ways to raise kids these days for example 1 parent or just by default because humans can breed doesn't mean they should or can raise kids , lets be real here . but that is a whole different and controversial topic Im sure lol

and yes if the law accommodates for same sex civil unions all this would go away .... maybe lol

oh I agree there... plenty of worse ways to raise a child, and some very bad people have been gifted, which is most unfortunate.

yes, I find for the most part the problem with this issue is the ideas behind it. When people call it marriage and say it should be in churches and before God it gets all complicated.

So in summary, im saying no to homosexual marriage, but I have no problem with a different system that grants them the same material rights.

You could call it semantics, but I think it is a little more than that.

@ Brdvas....well I did say it was the whole nature vs nurture debate. On top of that, im not saying the tax report would do that. Look into observational learning and the likes... thats more the road I am heading down.

[papa~smurf]

i have stay silent on this tread, mainly because of RL reasons, and the fact that my personal experience has little to do with this game. However, u all seem to be hell bend on expounding on issues that u may or may not have little personal experience with. So to wit......

i was married for 20 years. It had it's up and downs, but produced 3 children(all girls) who both my former wife and i love very much. As it is with human nature, people change, and become new things. My former wife, as she entered her 40's , began to question issues about her self and who she was in the world. After we had separated, she began a relationship with a woman, which lead to there living together with the kids. I, at first, was upset by this, and questioned the effects on my children. As the years have past, i have begun to have an unspoken respect for both my former wife and her girlfriend. My children all excelling in there life challenges, graduating colleges or attending with high honors. My former wife's girlfriend shows both love and compassion for them, and has by all respect become a parent to them also. They show no personable ill effects to this transition my ex wife has gone through in her life, and in ways seem a bit better for it. They are more understanding of the differences of people, the ability to be who one wants to be. I, personally, have been in ways the better for it, though the process to understanding these changes in some one i once loved dearly have been long, and at times emotional draining. I believe, for my childern, the key to being healthy adults was, and is, that the issues faced by these living arrangements where spoken to head on, and look at clearly.

now u know more about me than i ever wished, but u touched a nerve.

Main reasons of why I fully disagree with them marrying/having children, just been mentionned!
People don't seem to realize what would happen to a child with two dads/mums...they should consider it before saying anything positive about it.
If adults with sanity and intelligence are hostile to it, then imagine what children/teens reactions would be infront of it.

[Cole]

i have stay silent on this tread, mainly because of RL reasons, and the fact that my personal experience has little to do with this game. However, u all seem to be hell bend on expounding on issues that u may or may not have little personal experience with. So to wit......

i was married for 20 years. It had it's up and downs, but produced 3 children(all girls) who both my former wife and i love very much. As it is with human nature, people change, and become new things. My former wife, as she entered her 40's , began to question issues about her self and who she was in the world. After we had separated, she began a relationship with a woman, which lead to there living together with the kids. I, at first, was upset by this, and questioned the effects on my children. As the years have past, i have begun to have an unspoken respect for both my former wife and her girlfriend. My children all excelling in there life challenges, graduating colleges or attending with high honors. My former wife's girlfriend shows both love and compassion for them, and has by all respect become a parent to them also. They show no personable ill effects to this transition my ex wife has gone through in her life, and in ways seem a bit better for it. They are more understanding of the differences of people, the ability to be who one wants to be. I, personally, have been in ways the better for it, though the process to understanding these changes in some one i once loved dearly have been long, and at times emotional draining. I believe, for my childern, the key to being healthy adults was, and is, that the issues faced by these living arrangements where spoken to head on, and look at clearly.

now u know more about me than i ever wished, but u touched a nerve.

Main reasons of why I fully disagree with them marrying/having children, just been mentionned!
People don't seem to realize what would happen to a child with two dads/mums...they should consider it before saying anything positive about it.
If adults with sanity and intelligence are hostile to it, then imagine what children/teens reactions would be infront of it.

The main problem there isn't that those people can't do their best to raise children and give them love, but how it would be perceived during their childhood, and how it would be interpreted. As you must know, children and teens aren't the most tolerant ones, by far.