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[KMA]Avenger wrote:Mister Sandman wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:meh, you've missed the point of removing the central bank system
the point is this, obama will continue to support and perpetuate a system which is a complete failure. the BIGGEST problem of said system is its central bank.
i have made a case for non-support of our leaders because of their dismal failure to address such a crucial point, and any new leader taking office (regardless of country) wont be able and most likely will not even try to address our economies on such a grand scale. trying to fix the current economic system is like putting a band aid on a leaky damn.
why the hell do we need credit?
interest, credit and tax suffocates and inhibits growth and prosperity...can you NOT see that?
1. Its not much of a point without a central banking system the world would be in worse shambles.
2.Who is to know what Obama will change things for the better, more policies, more control on reckless spending and lending. The better. (beats McCain's system- or should I say Bush's system )
3. Why do we need credit? - It simulates the economy, provides jobs, and opens more purchasing power - without credit, it will take a hell of a long time to even afford to by a house. Without credit, people couldn't pay off all their bills on time. Credit is basically spending future money, and should be done wisely so the consumers are not paying interest - Paying interest is a discouragement on credit - instead they just pay for the convince of being able to expand their PPP.
There is Good and Bad debt.
4. Taxes, interest, and credit in fact provides a stimulus for growth and prosperity.
With wise lending expands a largest PPP thus, benefiting everyone in the economic system.
Can you not see that?
i fully understand what you are saying but you have missed entirely the point of what i have said
the worlds economy wont collapse into shambles with the removal of the central bank system, the ONLY people who would suffer would be the bankers themselves, and i for couldn't give a stuff what happens to the bankers.
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I haven't missed the point.
And the worlds economy will collapse without banks:- there wouldn't be any control over spending, lending, ect...if there were no banks.
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TheWay wrote:I simple want to answer Sandmans assertion that somehow Jesus associating with the poor is a reason for supporting the redistribution of wealth.
My complaint was that Obama wants to take more from the rich and then give that money in the form of a check to those who dont even pay taxes. So basically he would be taking from the rich and giving to the poor because many alreday dont have any tax liability. The governement should not atke someones money and force them to give it to people who may not be responsible with it. Many if not the majority of people on wellfare do not even work a full 40hr work week and in that case I think if you arent working 40hrs at least then dont ask for a hand out. There are more then enough jobs around this country the problem is that people have to much pride to go out and dig a ditch for 50hrs a day. In america anyone can become rich but thye must work hard for it. By giving handouts we lessons the motivation because if the governement will just give me money why should I work a more difficult job or work more hours.
In America the successfull almost always put in 50-60 hr work weeks
Doctors
Lawyers
Buisness owners
CEOs
many more
all these positions require a ton of hard work and sure they pay a ton but they are demanding so it annoys me when someone who isnt even working a full week complains about the rich.
Secondly its not a question of fairness but rather justice and it is not just to take from one to give to another rather it should be every mans choice to give to whom he desires.
The best point I can make is as a conservative I believe in helping the poor and helping my family and I do so by giving to the church who ministers to the poor or giving to missionaries who go to places like africa and bring medicine and supplies, they build house and meet needs. I also take care of my family and friends when one is in need they dont ahve to go to the governement for a hand out they can come to family for a hand up.
Take a look at Obama and Biden
Biden only gave a little over 3,000 dollars to charities and yet supports take from the rich and giving to the poor. If he realy cared about the poor maybe he would have given to them out of his pocket. I make a ton less then Bidden and yet I have given many times that amount.
Obama on the other hand has two family members living in complete poverty a brother in Africa I believe and an Aunt who lives illegal in the US, so what are his values that other people should take care of his family rather then him. If you ask me that is just plain wrong and unacceptable.
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I was stating; just because you converse with people, doesnt make you have the same morals and standards. It was nothing to do with the redistribution of wealth, I cant see how you even translated that to be.
Well there is two basic options to your complaint;
1. Provide people on welfare with jobs;- work for the money;- however, some cannot work due to illness' so are you unethically stop the pittance they receive in welfare just to make by in the world.
2. Kill the unemployed. Simple. However, you would be killing a lot of innocent people. People who want jobs and cannot get them due to racism, and other prejudice.
Everyone should be taxed (except for people under 18 or the legal taxing age) . The government should provide training programs to people who want to work. They say give a man a fish, and they eat for a night and are hungry the next day, teach a man to fish and he wont go hungry.
In addition, it really shouldn't be about the money. It should be about job satisfaction. What's the point working at some place where you want to die half of your working life? Just so you can get a few extra bucks in your wallet? That my friend is capitalism, and thus putting money first over God, Others, and even you own well-being.
People who work hard should get their returns, however, it should not be at the expense of others human rights.
I know people who work really hard at school, and their job. You know where they go? No where, they struggle to get good grades, and the pay check they get is an insult to all the work that is put in.
So thus, working hard does not matter. If people are going to exploit you and pass judgement on your skin, sex or race, there really isn't any incentive to work hard, for you know that working hard wont go anywhere because other people will only profit off you.
I'm not saying working hard isn't good. Its very good, but in the end if it is just for money, its void.
Personally, I have a hard job- I'm also a student - however, I love my job and that I work hard at it. The pay isn't much, but the satisfaction is all I need.
In response to being just in taxation; I don't see it taking from one and giving it to another, I see it as fee that you pay to posses an income of greatness. And that fee is taken and used for good. Basically, without the country, you would not have a business, you would not even have a wage, and your skills would be void. Everyone should have an equal socio status. Everyone has to have their basic human rights. And thus, everyone should pay for the rights, with taxation.
It shouldn't be always up to the person who he decides whom he gives his money.
In contrast with your idea of "peaching" to people in Africa, and sending missionary saying that the African way of life is wrong. Is basically looking into another country eye and seeing the splinter, while ignoring the log in your eye.
First, help your own people, so that there be more power in reaching others. Doing both, reaching everyone, is preferred.
In reponse to Biden only gave a little over 3,000 dollars to charities and you giving more with a less of a income. With tax raises, on the richer, it would effect Biden more, and in fact, since charity donation are tax deductible, you will be paying less in the dollar.
With the comment of people taking care of others in being wrong and unacceptable. That is purely senseless. What if you went into turmoil, wouldn't you be blessed if people kept care of you. Treat others like you wanted to be treated.
For Rome!
