Players investing only in attack, the solution against them.

[Daff]

I just want to come in here and defend the "Huge defence and 0 attack" strategy of play. I can't speak for all Asgards that do this, but I myself do not just sit back with my defence and not play the game. Quite the opposite. I use several hundred attack turns a day. There are hundreds of players out there with 0 defence just waiting to be attacked. So when I want to attack them I buy a couple of attack weapons and go farming. Then I sell my weapons when I'm done. Keeps my rank nice and low, somewhere I'm quite happy to be until I want to Ascend.

[Jake Conhale]

While that strategy may succeed in keeping you unnoticed and safe from harm, have you not considered the fact that is an economically screwed up way to function? You're loosing thousands, if not millions of naquadah in such transactions.

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I think a combined military should still have 2 types of weapons. But the damage dealing part should be different. The defender absorbs damage up to defense power, and deals damage equal to offense power. Same the other way around, whoever deals the most damage wins. Something like that.

So you're suggesting something like the armies operating the same way as the motherships? Both attacking and defending going on at once? I I interpreted that correctly, I think its a good idea lol

[Dj Ibiza]

I think a combined military should still have 2 types of weapons. But the damage dealing part should be different. The defender absorbs damage up to defense power, and deals damage equal to offense power. Same the other way around, whoever deals the most damage wins. Something like that.

I strongly agree that we must still keep our 2 types of weapon, just the damage point that can move from defence to attack. IT just to balance the game and make it fair for those investing in defence. I do understand that it may affect some strategy but a fair game is a better game. Each strategy must have a weak and strong point.

So you're suggesting something like the armies operating the same way as the motherships? Both attacking and defending going on at once? I I interpreted that correctly, I think its a good idea lol

Yeah, that a good comparison but just here it will start to damage defence then move to attack.

And i don't think it will be so difficult for adm to impliment this.

team defend setup would be like a def bonus to each playter participating based on the def of the others.

Team defence is another sibject i think. We talking about mix damaging point here, but it a good idea that ask to think about. Put it as a new topic if u want us to discuss about.

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[Dj Ibiza]

I think about a something, if case they implement the mix damage point, it will create another unfairness in the game. IN case of mass attack against player that have both a balance attack and defence, the mass attack will just ruin it change to fight back.|

The mix point is a good idea against farmers( ) but will be a real prob for weak player. Any suggestion guys?

[thunder]

i have a question, how do you harm those who invest soley in covert??? why does no one care about them????

[Sleipnir]

i have a question, how do you harm those who invest soley in covert??? why does no one care about them????

If they have enough income, you farm them. Otherwise, they can't be hurt either, and this has been complained about alot in the past. But that rant has quieted down a bit while other, more important topics, were dealt with.

[trinity]

i have a question, how do you harm those who invest soley in covert??? why does no one care about them????

If they have enough income, you farm them. Otherwise, they can't be hurt either, and this has been complained about alot in the past. But that rant has quieted down a bit while other, more important topics, were dealt with.

There are a number of pressing topics to be sure. This one has been around for a long time though. Is it not time this for this to be adressed? Farming the ones with high covert is not an exceptionally brilliant thing to do for obvious reasons. A system a little closer to that of ascension, where each of the three main attributes may be reduced in some fashion would do nicely. Otherwise the game tends to cater to those with the highest covert. (the "all-powerful" stat)

[cinder__393]

dont you hate those ppls who do as fis post sugested i mean what a better fram then some one with no def

but spose as they see it they can have there weps sabed so they dont care if there attack once or twice me on the other hand i get attacked i sab back what they stole lol works great

[Sgt Foley]

Look, the guy who started this thread is just annoyed because he isn't that godd in game, THE GAME WORKS, if someone is annoying with their masssive "defence" , then become a tauri and attack them or get someone to help, if someone has a huge attack, then become replicator and sab them, or get someone to help, with replicator, become a replicator sell ur weapons, get some unit production and wait for them to get killed by someone else.


ADAPT, OR DIE

[KnightValor]

If its ok for Asgards to invest ONLY on defence, then its ok for Tauri to invest only on Attack.

So many times I have reconned Asgards and found they have +2bil defence, and 0 attack.

So why the double standards? Atleast you know they are PLAYING the game, not just sitting back and watching.

Exactly. I worked hard for my pretty crap defence, and know it's not really all that much of a deterant, and I see hundreads of asgard (yes, I have a list) with billions of defence and no strike, but if I was to sell my defence, I would be the one playing dishonrably? Despite the fact I have to pay loads of money every attack, whilst asgard pay nothing, because they hardly get attacked in the first place.

Well, I can see what you mean. It makes sense, if asgard can focus on only one thing, why can't tauri? However, one flaw:

With asqard hyping up their defense, you still can do something about it. Its hard, and no, it won't work very well, but they can be fought back at. As for hyping up only your attack, the only way to get them back is sabbing. Also, doing the defense trick doesn't harm anybody except people who rashly attack them without spying first.

How does having no attack hurt anybody?

And no, I am not an asgard with only defense. And you actually sabbed me quite a bit a few days ago, so you can verify that yourself.

Back on topic: This sounds like a good idea. It actually brings me back to a very old thread... https://talk.gatewa.rs/viewtopic.php?t=9037

The thread was started by mwah and it talked about an offense vs. offense way to attack (ambushing) since it happens all the time in the show.[/url]

[Dj Ibiza]

Look, the guy who started this thread is just annoyed because he isn't that godd in game, THE GAME WORKS, if someone is annoying with their masssive "defence" , then become a tauri and attack them or get someone to help, if someone has a huge attack, then become replicator and sab them, or get someone to help, with replicator, become a replicator sell ur weapons, get some unit production and wait for them to get killed by someone else.


ADAPT, OR DIE

It not the question of being good or not, it just how to make the game fair.
Also not the question of race. Just a question of able to transfer damage to attack. as mothership.

[12agnar0k]

theres nothing UNFAIR about it, its all to do with how you play the game as dark side said, no matter what strategy someone uses against you, theres a way to beat it, you just have to be GOOD, you dont go around changing the characteristics of the game because you cant personally beat someones tatic because their tatic was created to destroy your asgard defence tactic, a GOOD asgard player has enough defence to block the atacks and enough covert to sab the attack wepons, every strategy can be beaten, if you are GOOD enough, there is nothing UNFAIR at all,

[KnightValor]

theres nothing UNFAIR about it, its all to do with how you play the game as dark side said, no matter what strategy someone uses against you, theres a way to beat it, you just have to be GOOD, you dont go around changing the characteristics of the game because you cant personally beat someones tatic because their tatic was created to destroy your asgard defence tactic, a GOOD asgard player has enough defence to block the atacks and enough covert to sab the attack wepons, every strategy can be beaten, if you are GOOD enough, there is nothing UNFAIR at all,

Yes and no...

These players are almost like php hackers (not really, this is a metaphor). Just because they can test out your forum security doesn't mean they're helpful.

The thing is, this is a bad strategy. To climb as high as possible you need balanced out powers. These guys don't hit rank one. Just because they beat you doesn't mean they are acheiving the objective of the game. So their strategy is actually not the best... it is the most annoying.

Players who play games only to agrivate the other players usually aren't invited again.


End of discussion (said with absolutely no authority)

[schuesseled]

Look, the guy who started this thread is just annoyed because he isn't that godd in game, THE GAME WORKS, if someone is annoying with their masssive "defence" , then become a tauri and attack them or get someone to help, if someone has a huge attack, then become replicator and sab them, or get someone to help, with replicator, become a replicator sell ur weapons, get some unit production and wait for them to get killed by someone else.


ADAPT, OR DIE

It not the question of being good or not, it just how to make the game fair.
Also not the question of race. Just a question of able to transfer damage to attack. as mothership.

Being able to destroy peoples attack weapons when you attack will only really disadvantage tauri making it unfair. And what good is it to this idea of yours if you attack someone with 14 bil attack and 0 def and want to damage there attack weapons, then there attack must be able tofight back and tauri will be stupidly powerful then. Either way your not making it fair just even more unfair

And another point why the hell do you think that there attack forces are sitting around able to be attacked, more likely there out there fighting while the defenders defend. Hence attack and defence