Evolution:HMMM

[Mister Sandman]

lol thriller i have 2 ridiculously long straws to go the the kegs. beer the lazy way

i do find it odd how jews probably wont get into heaven when jesus was a jew was he not?
The Jews that I assume that you are talking about don't believe that Jesus was the messiah.
no man/woman/ladyboi knows the nature of god. ive always thought that every religion is only a different interpretation of what god is and wants. its a fundamental attribute of humans to disagree on religion ever since religion got organised (entrenched).

No one knows the nature of God ,Yes.
However, every religion is not the same. Or a different interpretation. That's just stupid.

a few questions:
*why did christianity launch a crusade which killed so many people?
It wasn't "Christianity" It was humans.

*why were people killed by the church for nothing more than trying to spread new knowledge about our world and existence?

The Roman Catholic Church has paid for their misdeeds.

*why did the church not oppose the holocaust?

Im pretty sure the church did oppose the holocaust.

Depends on the church


*why was slavery allowed by christianity and even justified by the bible?

It wasn't Christianity, it was people.


all are are bad and evil things. christianity has commited terrible sins. it lost the right to moral high ground on a collective basis. admittedly its more about the individual than the leaders of the church. accepting and having absolute belief in christianity (in accordance with the way the leaders say it must be believed) is not justified. history has proven the faith imperfect and as corrupt as any organisation. im not shouting out against the religion, but seeing it as the leaders tell you to is a bad way to worship. i struggle to make my point so i apologise if it is unclear.

We are all human, we all sin. And all sin is equal.
The only true leader of the Church is God. The rest is the people. And we all know people sin.

No sin is justified. However, by the grace of God we are forgiven and our sins are washed away. I'm not saying that there will no be consequences, just forgiven.

[n3M351s]

The Crusades originally were launched with the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule, not a senseless killing spree.

but the result was many, many needless deaths and much suffering. crusades were authorised/ordered by the church.

Yes there was many needless deaths and suffering. And yes it was authorised by the Pope. But that doesn't change that fact of "why" is was launched. There are always ramifications from war. I suggest you read up about the Crusades as it seems you have no knowledge of their purpose. It does not belong in this debate.

Your 2nd question is a little broad. (Not sure what your referring too)

i was refering to scientists and the like who were burned at the stake simply for spreading truth.

Cite some references please.

I'm not sure if the church did or didn't oppose the holocaust. I've never read into it. However though you say they didn't oppose it they didn't support it either.

the german church was compliant, even eager to assist in the mass murder of jews and others. they provided birth certificates to help with the slaughter. its argued that the vatican was aware of the holocaust yet choose not to act or speak against it.

The German Church was in the middle of the Nazi controlled nation. I don't know of their circumstances but with the pressure of the state or the possibility of otherwise being slaughtered themselves, giving up the information may have been one of their only options. I don't condone what they did but linking the actions of the German Church to the whole of Christianity isn't really proving a point.

Slavery was allowed by Christianity and is even justified by the Bible you say? Please explain.

''Historically, passages in the Old Testament of the Bible have been used as justification of the keeping of slaves, and for guidance in how it should be done.'' ''in 1452, when Pope Nicholas V instituted hereditary slavery of captured Muslims and pagans, which effectively meant Africans or Asians. As he read the Bible, God had instructed his faithful to make slaves of the neighboring heathens. Since then, various Christian groups taught that Africans were the descendants of Ham, cursed with "the mark of Ham" (dark skin) to be servants to the descendants of Japheth (Europeans) and Shem (Asians)''

I don't really know much about this area but here it goes. Slavery was a common practice which was spread throughout the known world. As times changed it was seen to be wrong and abolished. In this day and age Slavery is no longer tolerated, which is the way it should be. You have to remember the Old Testament is thousands of years old, back then a lot was different.

Edit: I think Mister Sandman may have summed it up better.