Real Religion... ready to vent

[Demeisen]

sandman perhaps you missed the last 7 pages. the bible has been proven wrong on several points. the age of the earth and evolution stand out. your retort? something about days being longer in the bible and that human definition of time is flawed. an incredibly fragile and false point.

if you cannot believe in christianity without the bible, that shows how weak your faith truly is. you cant believe without a book to tell you every individual thing. a person can carry out a self-less and christian act without ever having read the bible.

christianity is a religion, not a book!

i have researched and everything i have found has shown the bible to be a collection of many peoples writings with additions and omissions. it is not perfect and true. you cannot see it as it really is. your religion has blinded you rather than enlighten you. i am ashamed that christians like yourself have degraded yourselves in the name of a false belief.

your steadfast and mistaken determination that the bible is fatual has moved me another step away from christianity. the term fanatic comes to mind and ill never believe in a religion which encourages, no, demands i believe lies. i know what fanatics do. islamic terrorists are fanatics. fanaticism is bad. simple as

take a look at your faith. take a good look. do some research on wikipedia or other such (more reliable and unbiased). if you approach things honestly and without pre-judging you will see that the bible isnt fact. you will also see that belief in god and christianity doesnt require thinking the bible is fact. the vast majority of sensible christians dont see the bible as an histiorically accurate and true book. yet they are still good christians.

there. i have officially completed the 1st lap of this circular debate and i am satisfied that i have made and backed up my points (with material other than biblical quotes). its now your duty to see what you make of that which has been said. if you still stick to your original beliefs my faith in and respect for christianity dies a little more. cheers

[n3M351s]

the bible has been proven wrong on several points. the age of the earth and evolution stand out.

You're incorrect there.

There is no definitive proof of the Earth being billions of years old, if there is please do share. The Bible tells of Earth being 10,000 years old allowing enough time for all of history to fill that time. Why is there no history beyond that time? Simple, since Earth didn't exist. If you have any evidence to support your claims of Earth being over 10,000 years old, please enlighten me.

We've been over this before, evolution is a false theory. Species may change which is a natural occurrence, but apes turning into men and the likes is just utter stupidity.

[Mister Sandman]

sandman perhaps you missed the last 7 pages. the bible has been proven wrong on several points. the age of the earth and evolution stand out. your retort? something about days being longer in the bible and that human definition of time is flawed. an incredibly fragile and false point.

I haven't yet read the part where the bible states "the earth is 10 thousand years" I havnt yet read the part where the bible states "evolution is wrong" . For crying out loud. I have said many times that I believe that evolution is possible. It doesnt to contradict the Bible in anyway. It actually supports the Bible. Are you that thick?

Secondly on the earth age issue. How can we know our "measures" of the earth ages are accurate. How for 100% certain can we say the age of the earth is X Y or Z? We cannot!

In addition, how dare mere humans restrict God to "time". He is outside time. He is the beginning and the end.

To be completely honest, I personally don't know how old the earth is, and I personally don't care.

Evolution assumes creation. (See other thread)


if you cannot believe in christianity without the bible, that shows how weak your faith truly is. you cant believe without a book to tell you every individual thing. a person can carry out a self-less and christian act without ever having read the bible.

christianity is a religion, not a book!


Christianity is way of life. Not a religion. Without God, without Jesus, without the Holy Spirit, without the Bible there is no guidance.

The Bible is more than just a book.

People can carry out a self-less and Christian act without ever reading the Bible, YES, that's a no-brainier. However, God sees the heart of the person. Not just the acts. If we were "saved" and "earned" eternal life through our acts then we all would be stuffed. We are all human. We all sin. It is by grace we are saved, not by our acts. However, this goes on, if we do truely love God we shall try to live by his rules. Thus, doing Christian acts.



i have researched and everything i have found has shown the bible to be a collection of many peoples writings with additions and omissions. it is not perfect and true. you cannot see it as it really is. your religion has blinded you rather than enlighten you. i am ashamed that christians like yourself have degraded yourselves in the name of a false belief.

The creation of the Bible is what is really amazing. God used such as diverse crowd of people so that the Bible could be created. The Bible is inspired by God.


My faith has not blinded me. It has open my eyes. The funny thing is I choose this way, for I know God is stronger than anything.



your steadfast and mistaken determination that the bible is fatual has moved me another step away from christianity. the term fanatic comes to mind and ill never believe in a religion which encourages, no, demands i believe lies. i know what fanatics do. islamic terrorists are fanatics. fanaticism is bad. simple as


You still haven't proven the Bible wrong. Islamics are not the only terrorists. I believe that the government are the biggest terrorists!


The real funny thing is you admitted to believing in lies.




take a look at your faith. take a good look. do some research on wikipedia or other such (more reliable and unbiased). if you approach things honestly and without pre-judging you will see that the bible isnt fact. you will also see that belief in god and christianity doesnt require thinking the bible is fact. the vast majority of sensible christians dont see the bible as an histiorically accurate and true book. yet they are still good christians.


If the Bible isn't a true book, then the whole faith is void.



there. i have officially completed the 1st lap of this circular debate and i am satisfied that i have made and backed up my points (with material other than biblical quotes). its now your duty to see what you make of that which has been said. if you still stick to your original beliefs my faith in and respect for christianity dies a little more. cheers

You donlt have any real evidence.

We've been over this before, evolution is a false theory. Species may change which is a natural occurrence, but apes turning into men and the likes is just utter stupidity.

Again, the dispute of evolution. People can't omit the fact that we are "evolving" but some parts of evolution is stupid.

Apes turning into men and likes of which is indeed stupid.

There is many other theories of evolution that have been disproved and been void.

However there are sections of evolution that cannot be disputed. Take for example the effects of gene mutation, or in essences aging.

[urogard]

Although kudos to the people up there who managed to build up control of the masses via sexism, ideas of supremacy and ignorance.

Your talking about Christianity right?

If only christinanity, meh...

Of the most common cults on this world (buddhism, christianity, islam, judaism, shintoism) I'd say islam and christianity are the biggest scum of them all (crusades, inquisitions, sharia etc. just to name a few).

And no, if anyone tries to argue those things are past then they are wrong, i've yet to see any high ranked official of those churches denounce the "holiness" of those actions, and second of all they aren't past because it's still happening today under the same banners as hundreds of years ago.

Personally many characteristics of buddhism actually reflect my views, although I only found that out after reading about buddhism, and generally i'd say the far asian cults are far less hatred and ignorance directed than the middle eastern/western cults

[n3M351s]

Of the most common cults on this world (buddhism, christianity, islam, judaism, shintoism) I'd say islam and christianity are the biggest scum of them all (crusades, inquisitions, sharia etc. just to name a few).

I suggest you read up on your history.

And no, if anyone tries to argue those things are past then they are wrong, i've yet to see any high ranked official of those churches denounce the "holiness" of those actions, and second of all they aren't past because it's still happening today under the same banners as hundreds of years ago.

As you may not be aware of, many churches and denominations don't have high ranked officials or the likes. Its just the Pastor and the people. The only figurehead I know of is the Pope who is the leader of the Catholic Church, whom I have no affiliation. So what are these actions that are still happening today under the Christian banner?

[Demeisen]

LiQuiD wrote:
the bible has been proven wrong on several points. the age of the earth and evolution stand out.
You're incorrect there.

There is no definitive proof of the Earth being billions of years old, if there is please do share. The Bible tells of Earth being 10,000 years old allowing enough time for all of history to fill that time. Why is there no history beyond that time? Simple, since Earth didn't exist. If you have any evidence to support your claims of Earth being over 10,000 years old, please enlighten me.

We've been over this before, evolution is a false theory. Species may change which is a natural occurrence, but apes turning into men and the likes is just utter stupidity.

there is definitive proof. a person who fails to see that is either an idiot, or someone happy in their ignorant and mistaken beliefs. there are MANY things made by humans which pre-date the the age of the earth according to the bible. perhaps they were created before the world? lol at that until the cows come home, evolve into birds, then fly away.

i wonder how mountains, islands, eroded valleys and other geological features could have appeared in the space of 10k years?

and how did oil come into being? or diamonds? both take a fair bit more than 10k years to be formed.

or fossils? they must have been buried beneath the earth when it was creayed eh?

you spout foolish logic to ''''''''''prove'''''''''' your ''''''''''facts''''''''''

its funny until i realise how sad it is. your mind is crippled by indoctrination.


@sandman:
O- its simple math. using the dates throughout the bible you would end up with a calculation of the world being around 10,000 years old.

O-

Are you that thick?

if you are the opposite of thick, i count that a complement.

O- you say evolution is possible in terms of what the bible says? you are wrong. significant evolution cannot happen in the space of 10,000 years.

O- even if we were 99% wrong about the age of the earth (which we are not) that would still make it older by far than the bible would suggest.

O- god may be 'outside' time, but the humans and earth are 'inside' time. nice way to deflect a sensible point with what if style nonsense. what if i am God? i could be right, according to your logic. theres nothing in the bible saying im not God, therefore i can make up some arbitrary points which prove i am. bow down to me pls.

O- 'Christianity (from the word Xριστός "Christ") is a monotheistic religion[1] centered on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in the New Testament.[2]'

O-

for I know God is stronger than anything.

i beg to differ. pls google superman.

O-

The real funny thing is you admitted to believing in lies.

that is taken so out of context its a joke. if you cant refer to my posts in a sensible manner without twisting extracts from sentences, do not respond at all.

O-

the whole faith is void

finally you admit it. this method seem familiar?

to sum up? you are tripping. chill out, stand very still, and God may drop 50tons of common sense on you. peaceout

[Mister Sandman]

LiQuiD wrote:
the bible has been proven wrong on several points. the age of the earth and evolution stand out.
You're incorrect there.

There is no definitive proof of the Earth being billions of years old, if there is please do share. The Bible tells of Earth being 10,000 years old allowing enough time for all of history to fill that time. Why is there no history beyond that time? Simple, since Earth didn't exist. If you have any evidence to support your claims of Earth being over 10,000 years old, please enlighten me.

We've been over this before, evolution is a false theory. Species may change which is a natural occurrence, but apes turning into men and the likes is just utter stupidity.

there is definitive proof. a person who fails to see that is either an idiot, or someone happy in their ignorant and mistaken beliefs. there are MANY things made by humans which pre-date the the age of the earth according to the bible. perhaps they were created before the world? lol at that until the cows come home, evolve into birds, then fly away.
Show me where in the Bible it says the earth is 10k years.
i wonder how mountains, islands, eroded valleys and other geological features could have appeared in the space of 10k years?
Quite a few.
and how did oil come into being? or diamonds? both take a fair bit more than 10k years to be formed.
Process could be sped up.
or fossils? they must have been buried beneath the earth when it was creayed eh?

you spout foolish logic to ''''''''''prove'''''''''' your ''''''''''facts''''''''''

its funny until i realise how sad it is. your mind is crippled by indoctrination.


@sandman:
O- its simple math. using the dates throughout the bible you would end up with a calculation of the world being around 10,000 years old.
There is still no definite verse saying that the earth is 10,000 years old, and don't forget time is relative.
O-

Are you that thick?

if you are the opposite of thick, i count that a complement.

O- you say evolution is possible in terms of what the bible says? you are wrong. significant evolution cannot happen in the space of 10,000 years.
evolution is, simply put, the change in a creature. Evolution happens every second.
O- even if we were 99% wrong about the age of the earth (which we are not) that would still make it older by far than the bible would suggest.

O- god may be 'outside' time, but the humans and earth are 'inside' time. nice way to deflect a sensible point with what if style nonsense. what if i am God? i could be right, according to your logic. theres nothing in the bible saying im not God, therefore i can make up some arbitrary points which prove i am. bow down to me pls.
Your not God, your human, don't blaspheme.
O- 'Christianity (from the word Xριστός "Christ") is a monotheistic religion[1] centered on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in the New Testament.[2]'
That argument has no substance.
O-

for I know God is stronger than anything.

i beg to differ. pls google superman.
Sorry to burst your bubble but superman is made up, and there is no tooth fairy and Santa is long dead.
O-

The real funny thing is you admitted to believing in lies.

that is taken so out of context its a joke. if you cant refer to my posts in a sensible manner without twisting extracts from sentences, do not respond at all.

O-

the whole faith is void

finally you admit it. this method seem familiar?
quoting me out of context funny. I didn't take your quote out of context.
to sum up? you are tripping. chill out, stand very still, and God may drop 50tons of common sense on you. peaceout

To sum up, your trying and your failing. I hope failure teaches you a lesson, because i'm sure common sense hasn't.

[n3M351s]

there is definitive proof. a person who fails to see that is either an idiot, or someone happy in their ignorant and mistaken beliefs. there are MANY things made by humans which pre-date the the age of the earth according to the bible. perhaps they were created before the world? lol at that until the cows come home, evolve into birds, then fly away.

i wonder how mountains, islands, eroded valleys and other geological features could have appeared in the space of 10k years?

and how did oil come into being? or diamonds? both take a fair bit more than 10k years to be formed.

or fossils? they must have been buried beneath the earth when it was creayed eh?

you spout foolish logic to ''''''''''prove'''''''''' your ''''''''''facts''''''''''

its funny until i realise how sad it is. your mind is crippled by indoctrination.

That is the stupidest thing I've read in this whole debate lol. Of course you will deny the Great Flood, but therein lays your answers.

[Demeisen]

i will say this slowly so you can understand ok?

if you determine the age of the world using the dates given in the bible, you
will come up with a figure of around 10,000 years or less. this age comes from using the dates of births, deaths, events and the like.
its your bible so according to your logic it must be correct right? but now suddenly the bible isnt correct in your opinion. so i was right all along saying it isnt factual. thankyou for backing up my point.



if you want to think all the geological features of the world could be formed in 10,000 years feel free. it makes everyone else here seem smarter. although i shudder to think of how you would explain continental drift, or the growth of coral reefs, or the formation of caves etc. oh wait you did explain them all by saying the 'Process could be sped up.' wow thats clever. to make so bold a claim there must be proof. ill not burden you with the need to post your mountains of proof, ive seen enough of the bible today



your views on evolution would make a good stand up routine. well maybe a few jokes in one at least. its been proven. i know it has. theres no further need to discuss it.


you say im not God. where in the bible does it say that im not God? the bible is the last word in everything in your view, so what does it say about me being your God? if theres nothing about me in it, i must be God. well i learn something new every day. pls bow down before me. . . and bring offerings of doughnuts. thanks


superman is made up? from made up comic books . . . you believe one book full of made up stuff so why not believe in superman. praise the man with a cape!


'Christianity (from the word Xριστός "Christ") is a monotheistic religion[1] centered on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in the New Testament.[2]'
thats a quote from wikipedia in response to someone saying christianity isnt a religion. although not infallible, wiki is generally correct when it matters.



you took a few words out of a sentence that id written. those words did not match meaning of the sentence as a whole. i did the same. dont cry about it.

if you mean i fail to see your fairy-land point of view i accept failure happily.

Of course you will deny the Great Flood, but therein lays your answers.

ill not deny there was a great flood at some point. although we will disagree on its cause endlessly

That is the stupidest thing I've read in this whole debate lol

lol then you obviously havent read your posts or sandman's

i smell smoke. are you planning to burn a heretic? or maybe a fluffy wabbit that didnt convert to your way of thinking? meh its all good. see you in hell

[urogard]

Of the most common cults on this world (buddhism, christianity, islam, judaism, shintoism) I'd say islam and christianity are the biggest scum of them all (crusades, inquisitions, sharia etc. just to name a few).

I suggest you read up on your history.

So you want to deny that either that Crusades and inquisitions were directed against heretics, unbelievers and were "violence condoned by the allfarty god"?
or you want to say that Crusades and inquisitions were good things and they should be continued over and over again?

This isn't about what other cults did, which i really don't care since many did terrible things, and i'm not part of any cult anyway. But firstly that the christian and islamic cults are the most primitive and barbaric and secondly that you should always go fix your own faults before trying to point at others (yes, i am pointing at others here because never in my life have i ever condoned anyone forcing onto anyone else their will and morals)

As you may not be aware of, many churches and denominations don't have high ranked officials or the likes. Its just the Pastor and the people.

If neither the pastor, kardinals, popes, rabbis, mindless drones who follow these cultis beliefs nor anyone else publicly admits that the atrocities commited by their cults were stupid then it can be safely assumed that these cults are just as primitive and barbaric as they were centuries ago.

=> and people are wondering why the society is degenerating lmao

O-

for I know God is stronger than anything.

i beg to differ. pls google superman.

Sorry to burst your bubble but superman is made up, and there is no tooth fairy and Santa is long dead.

What do we learn from it?
The moment someone draws a cartoon of someone or makes up many stories about him and puts them all together into one single book he automatically becomes an imaginary figure who cannot exist.

Does this remind anyone of the bible and the christian god?

Therefore using sandmans logic he himself disproved the existence of god

[Thriller]

@nemesis

You do realize that the same science that is used to date the earth, Is used to make sure your nuclear power facilities are functioning properly. I mean if that science is wrong, maybe the nuclear plant in your area might meltdown soon.

[Mister Sandman]

i will say this slowly so you can understand ok?

if you determine the age of the world using the dates given in the bible, you
will come up with a figure of around 10,000 years or less. this age comes from using the dates of births, deaths, events and the like.
its your bible so according to your logic it must be correct right? but now suddenly the bible isnt correct in your opinion. so i was right all along saying it isnt factual. thankyou for backing up my point.

The bible itself, is factual. Interpenetration, are different. In regards to your 10,000 years or less argument, I have no qualms with the earth being 10,000 years old. As I said, and will keep on saying. You can't understand Time any more than you can understand the mind of God. The age of the earth really has no matter. 10,000 years, 10 Million years, 10 Billion years. Who Cares? Time cannot be defined. The point is, that wherever you look at it, there has to be some sort of creation.

In addition, the tools of what science uses to measure/create dates are extremely inaccurate.

I will give you an example: One of my friends killed a chicken a while back and thought it would be funny to get the "age" of the dead chicken through the process of carbon dating and other things. So what he did was, he fossilised the foot in a week(omg is that possible, duh ofc ive seen it been done). And went to the laboratory and asked the scientists to run tests on the week old fossil of a dead chickens foot.

The results with using 3 tests of different methods. Is 3 different answers:
2 Thousand years old.
10 Million years old.
4 Billion years old.

Pretty funny, and when he told the scientist it was killed a week ago the scientist didn't believe him.

if you want to think all the geological features of the world could be formed in 10,000 years feel free. it makes everyone else here seem smarter. although i shudder to think of how you would explain continental drift, or the growth of coral reefs, or the formation of caves etc. oh wait you did explain them all by saying the 'Process could be sped up.' wow thats clever. to make so bold a claim there must be proof. ill not burden you with the need to post your mountains of proof, ive seen enough of the bible today

It isn't impossible for the geological features to be created in 10,000 years... This includes continental drift, or the growth of coral reefs, or the formation of caves ect...

However, you have to define time, the terms used for time.. which is impossible.

your views on evolution would make a good stand up routine. well maybe a few jokes in one at least. its been proven. i know it has. theres no further need to discuss it.

So its been proven that men came from monkeys? Dream on ape boy. If we did come from apes, why arn't they giving birth to new human children today?

As I said, parts of evolution are fact. Parts are theory, and other parts absolute fallacious.

you say im not God. where in the bible does it say that im not God? the bible is the last word in everything in your view, so what does it say about me being your God? if theres nothing about me in it, i must be God. well i learn something new every day. pls bow down before me. . . and bring offerings of doughnuts. thanks

Funny, however, your not a supernatural being. No human can be God. Your flawed and thus, not God.

superman is made up? from made up comic books . . . you believe one book full of made up stuff so why not believe in superman. praise the man with a cape!

The Bible is factual and therefore not made up. Superman however, I haven't seen any evidence he did exist. And he was made up.

'Christianity (from the word Xριστός "Christ") is a monotheistic religion[1] centered on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in the New Testament.[2]'
thats a quote from wikipedia in response to someone saying christianity isnt a religion. although not infallible, wiki is generally correct when it matters.

It's a way of life. And to be centred around the life and teachings of Jesus, requires the New Testament.

[Thriller]

i will say this slowly so you can understand ok?

if you determine the age of the world using the dates given in the bible, you
will come up with a figure of around 10,000 years or less. this age comes from using the dates of births, deaths, events and the like.
its your bible so according to your logic it must be correct right? but now suddenly the bible isnt correct in your opinion. so i was right all along saying it isnt factual. thankyou for backing up my point.

The bible itself, is factual. Interpenetration, are different. In regards to your 10,000 years or less argument, I have no qualms with the earth being 10,000 years old. As I said, and will keep on saying. You can't understand Time any more than you can understand the mind of God. The age of the earth really has no matter. 10,000 years, 10 Million years, 10 Billion years. Who Cares? Time cannot be defined. The point is, that wherever you look at it, there has to be some sort of creation.

In addition, the tools of what science uses to measure/create dates are extremely inaccurate.

I will give you an example: One of my friends killed a chicken a while back and thought it would be funny to get the "age" of the dead chicken through the process of carbon dating and other things. So what he did was, he fossilised the foot in a week(omg is that possible, duh ofc ive seen it been done). And went to the laboratory and asked the scientists to run tests on the week old fossil of a dead chickens foot.

The results with using 3 tests of different methods. Is 3 different answers:
2 Thousand years old.
10 Million years old.
4 Billion years old.

Pretty funny, and when he told the scientist it was killed a week ago the scientist didn't believe him.

if you want to think all the geological features of the world could be formed in 10,000 years feel free. it makes everyone else here seem smarter. although i shudder to think of how you would explain continental drift, or the growth of coral reefs, or the formation of caves etc. oh wait you did explain them all by saying the 'Process could be sped up.' wow thats clever. to make so bold a claim there must be proof. ill not burden you with the need to post your mountains of proof, ive seen enough of the bible today

your views on evolution would make a good stand up routine. well maybe a few jokes in one at least. its been proven. i know it has. theres no further need to discuss it.

So its been proven that men came from monkeys? Dream on ape boy. If we did come from apes, why arn't they giving birth to new human children today?

As I said, parts of evolution are fact. Parts are theory, and other parts absolute fallacious.

you say im not God. where in the bible does it say that im not God? the bible is the last word in everything in your view, so what does it say about me being your God? if theres nothing about me in it, i must be God. well i learn something new every day. pls bow down before me. . . and bring offerings of doughnuts. thanks

Funny, however, your not a supernatural being. No human can be God. Your flawed and thus, not God.

superman is made up? from made up comic books . . . you believe one book full of made up stuff so why not believe in superman. praise the man with a cape!

The Bible is factual and therefore not made up. Superman however, I haven't seen any evidence he did exist. And he was made up.

'Christianity (from the word Xριστός "Christ") is a monotheistic religion[1] centered on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in the New Testament.[2]'
thats a quote from wikipedia in response to someone saying christianity isnt a religion. although not infallible, wiki is generally correct when it matters.

It's a way of life. And to be centred around the life and teachings of Jesus, requires the New Testament.

I don't believe your dumb chicken story. You made it up. Lying is a sin.

[Mister Sandman]

It isn't my fault if you don't believe in it. And I did not make it up.

So you want to deny that either that Crusades and inquisitions were directed against heretics, unbelievers and were "violence condoned by the allfarty god"?
or you want to say that Crusades and inquisitions were good things and they should be continued over and over again?

Does it matter? As I said before, it wasn't the faith that caused the wars. It was the people.
No sin is justified and judgement has already been passed down.

This isn't about what other cults did, which i really don't care since many did terrible things, and i'm not part of any cult anyway. But firstly that the christian and islamic cults are the most primitive and barbaric and secondly that you should always go fix your own faults before trying to point at others (yes, i am pointing at others here because never in my life have i ever condoned anyone forcing onto anyone else their will and morals)

Firstly, Christianity isn't a cult. Secondly, yes you should always go fix your own faults before fixing other. That is a teaching of the Bible.

As you may not be aware of, many churches and denominations don't have high ranked officials or the likes. Its just the Pastor and the people.

If neither the pastor, kardinals, popes, rabbis, mindless drones who follow these cultis beliefs nor anyone else publicly admits that the atrocities commited by their cults were stupid then it can be safely assumed that these cults are just as primitive and barbaric as they were centuries ago.

The good thing about Christianity we are not mindless drones.

=> and people are wondering why the society is degenerating lmao

Without faith, there would be no society.

...
The moment someone draws a cartoon of someone or makes up many stories about him and puts them all together into one single book he automatically becomes an imaginary figure who cannot exist.

Does this remind anyone of the bible and the christian god?

Therefore using sandmans logic he himself disproved the existence of god

Not in the slightest it is close to the "Christian" God.
The Bible, as I keep on saying, is more than just a Book. In addition, with such a diverse group of writers its amazing how the Bible is so factual and accurate. I think you need to start reading the Bible buddy.

[n3M351s]

i will say this slowly so you can understand ok?

If talking slow makes you feel smart go for it.

if you determine the age of the world using the dates given in the bible, you
will come up with a figure of around 10,000 years or less. this age comes from using the dates of births, deaths, events and the like.
its your bible so according to your logic it must be correct right? but now suddenly the bible isnt correct in your opinion. so i was right all along saying it isnt factual. thankyou for backing up my point.

Yes I believe it is correct. When did I say that is wasn't? I backed up no point of yours.

if you want to think all the geological features of the world could be formed in 10,000 years feel free. it makes everyone else here seem smarter. although i shudder to think of how you would explain continental drift, or the growth of coral reefs, or the formation of caves etc. oh wait you did explain them all by saying the 'Process could be sped up.' wow thats clever. to make so bold a claim there must be proof. ill not burden you with the need to post your mountains of proof, ive seen enough of the bible today

Maybe you should verify your claims before putting words in my mouth, it doesn't make you look too smart. The world was changed by the Flood. I have no need to explain it here, search for 'Creation Geology' or 'Flood Geology' on Google.

your views on evolution would make a good stand up routine. well maybe a few jokes in one at least. its been proven. i know it has. theres no further need to discuss it.

I believe natural selection and mutations to be true. As for one species evolving into another... I find it hilarious that you can believe that man evolved from cell>cells>organisms>spongecells>flatworm>worm>eel>eelfish>fish>amphibians>lizards>monitors>shrew>mouserat>mousemoney>monkeys>(just about every kind of primate there is)>apes>orangutans>chimpanzees>humans. No more please.

That is the stupidest thing I've read in this whole debate lol

lol then you obviously havent read your posts or sandman's

Nice come back there.

i smell smoke. are you planning to burn a heretic? or maybe a fluffy wabbit that didnt convert to your way of thinking? meh its all good. see you in hell

I find it funny that you bring up past events of other denominations which have no relevance whatsoever. Stereotyping = simpleminded.