WASP's are the absolutely most racist people I know! *points at the KKK as proof*
*goads Lore into a debate on racism*
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Me have 25 years in the monster biz
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Jack wrote:WASP's are the absolutely most racist people I know! *points at the KKK as proof*
That entire statement is racist...you not being a WASP therefore contradicts the facts of this statement.
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Re: Racism
Jack wrote:WASP's are the absolutely most racist people I know! *points at the KKK as proof*
*goads Lore into a debate on racism*
You will fail miserably LOL
And saying all WASP are KKK members is like saying all Latinos are short dirty people who talk funny. Its just not true.

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This thread..is...
well..it does not belong here.
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well..it does not belong here.
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Re: Racism
The question would be where belongs the line between describing and being racist?
It's something bit hard to determine.
Well best way to find out...if a word is racist or not, use that:
http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
I'm quite sure this dictionary is accurate, hardly deniable one.
And I would agree that by KKK's fault, there has been a rise of black people's racism towards white people. So if there's anyone to blame for racism from other ethnies towards white people, it's because of groups like KKK and all the similar ones in the world. It's quite simple. The origin comes from that, the development, well, another story, that is.
It's something bit hard to determine.
Well best way to find out...if a word is racist or not, use that:
http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
I'm quite sure this dictionary is accurate, hardly deniable one.
And I would agree that by KKK's fault, there has been a rise of black people's racism towards white people. So if there's anyone to blame for racism from other ethnies towards white people, it's because of groups like KKK and all the similar ones in the world. It's quite simple. The origin comes from that, the development, well, another story, that is.




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Re: Racism
Jack wrote:Semper wrote:This thread..is...
well..it does not belong here.
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But, it does belong there.
I'm actually quite serious in wanting to stir up a debate, I was just doing so in my usual crazy method. I wanted to attract Lore's attention, and this is also part of an "inside joke" from the mod section.
Moved back, and spam split.
In future then please make sure you make it more clear, and if you have a problem with my modding actions, dont simply undo them. Approach me like a player and regular user would, either express your objection in the thread or a pm.
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Re: Racism
Racism against black people is the fault of black people.
If there were no black people, there would not be racism against black people.
Yes. This is solid proof.
If there were no black people, there would not be racism against black people.
Yes. This is solid proof.

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Noun
* S: (n) racism (the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races)
* S: (n) racism, racialism, racial discrimination (discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race)
That's Princeton definition of racism.
Now mine:
Someone who's racist is someone who considers differently someone from another just because of their skin. Determining a person by its ethny, and not by its personal qualities that would really determine how this person is.
Racism has also derivating related words, such as xenophobia, which is being affraid and hateful towards any kind of foreigner from your own place.
Racism can be linked with utter ignorace, because it has been proven that all humans have the same origin, and are the same race.
Calling a person with the n word is racism, as it's a disrespectful term pointing out his/her ethny, being hostile towards them. Same goes for terms against white, asian, indian native people.
Racism against black people is the fault of idiotic white people.
If there were no idiotic white people, there would not be racism against black people.
Is accurate.
* S: (n) racism (the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races)
* S: (n) racism, racialism, racial discrimination (discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race)
That's Princeton definition of racism.
Now mine:
Someone who's racist is someone who considers differently someone from another just because of their skin. Determining a person by its ethny, and not by its personal qualities that would really determine how this person is.
Racism has also derivating related words, such as xenophobia, which is being affraid and hateful towards any kind of foreigner from your own place.
Racism can be linked with utter ignorace, because it has been proven that all humans have the same origin, and are the same race.
Calling a person with the n word is racism, as it's a disrespectful term pointing out his/her ethny, being hostile towards them. Same goes for terms against white, asian, indian native people.
Universe wrote:Racism against black people is the fault of black people.
If there were no black people, there would not be racism against black people.
Yes. This is solid proof.
Racism against black people is the fault of idiotic white people.
If there were no idiotic white people, there would not be racism against black people.
Is accurate.
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LegendaryApophis wrote:Noun
* S: (n) racism (the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races)
* S: (n) racism, racialism, racial discrimination (discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race)
That's Princeton definition of racism.
Now mine:
Someone who's racist is someone who considers differently someone from another just because of their skin. Determining a person by its ethny, and not by its personal qualities that would really determine how this person is.
Racism has also derivating related words, such as xenophobia, which is being affraid and hateful towards any kind of foreigner from your own place.
Racism can be linked with utter ignorace, because it has been proven that all humans have the same origin, and are the same race.
Calling a person with the n word is racism, as it's a disrespectful term pointing out his/her ethny, being hostile towards them. Same goes for terms against white, asian, indian native people.

Soi soi soi..
LegendaryApophis wrote:Universe wrote:Racism against black people is the fault of black people.
If there were no black people, there would not be racism against black people.
Yes. This is solid proof.
Wow, that really flies high...
And yet you cannot give a sound argument against it, can you?

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Universe wrote:LegendaryApophis wrote:Noun
* S: (n) racism (the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races)
* S: (n) racism, racialism, racial discrimination (discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race)
That's Princeton definition of racism.
Now mine:
Someone who's racist is someone who considers differently someone from another just because of their skin. Determining a person by its ethny, and not by its personal qualities that would really determine how this person is.
Racism has also derivating related words, such as xenophobia, which is being affraid and hateful towards any kind of foreigner from your own place.
Racism can be linked with utter ignorace, because it has been proven that all humans have the same origin, and are the same race.
Calling a person with the n word is racism, as it's a disrespectful term pointing out his/her ethny, being hostile towards them. Same goes for terms against white, asian, indian native people.
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Soi soi soi..LegendaryApophis wrote:Universe wrote:Racism against black people is the fault of black people.
If there were no black people, there would not be racism against black people.
Yes. This is solid proof.
Wow, that really flies high...
And yet you cannot give a sound argument against it, can you?
Racism against black people is the fault of idiotic white people.
If there were no idiotic white people, there would not be racism against black people.
And no racism between both even because idiotic white people made some black people hate white people.
Is accurate.
And I know pretty much using a dictionary thank you very much!
Personal attacks like this one on serious threads are a sign of victory for the attacked one anyway hihihi





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Since rational argument seems not to strike you, I do indeed resort to.. erm.. oh wait. I do not. I forget.
Anyway.. if there were no idiotic white people, there would be idiotic yellow people. If not yellow, then brown. If not brown, then red. If not red, then purple polka-dot with green stripes.
Homeboy, you don't stand a chance against the rationale of my earlier statement. Your referral to 'idiotic white people' is one of the most racist comments in this entire thread! And that, coming from one who pretends not to be racist, yea, anti-racist even! Tss.. such a shame..
Anyway.. if there were no idiotic white people, there would be idiotic yellow people. If not yellow, then brown. If not brown, then red. If not red, then purple polka-dot with green stripes.
Homeboy, you don't stand a chance against the rationale of my earlier statement. Your referral to 'idiotic white people' is one of the most racist comments in this entire thread! And that, coming from one who pretends not to be racist, yea, anti-racist even! Tss.. such a shame..

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Universe wrote:Since rational argument seems not to strike you, I do indeed resort to.. erm.. oh wait. I do not. I forget.
Anyway.. if there were no idiotic white people, there would be idiotic yellow people. If not yellow, then brown. If not brown, then red. If not red, then purple polka-dot with green stripes.
Homeboy, you don't stand a chance against the rationale of my earlier statement. Your referral to 'idiotic white people' is one of the most racist comments in this entire thread! And that, coming from one who pretends not to be racist, yea, anti-racist even! Tss.. such a shame..
I don't stand a chance infront of what you said? lmao
White people made racial slavery along with arabians on black people, and they thought those people were a different race and were not evolved enough, and made them slaves for this. And now I'm the one being racist and unable to counter your argument? Oh please please!
Awww and did I hurt feelings with the realism of my statement?
Please please!
Do you even realize what you said?
It's the fault of black people if some white people were idiotic enough to consider them what they thought?
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How perfectly irrational of you to blame god..
LegendaryApophis wrote:It's the fault of ..
God...

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Universe wrote:How perfectly irrational of you to blame god..LegendaryApophis wrote:It's the fault of ..
God...
Putting *totally* thigs out of context eh?
I was meaning "oh god", but felt it was hmmm...obvious?
And by your "logic", if there is racism against white people, it's their fault, if they weren't here there wouldn't be racism against them.
I'll tell people I'm racist for my theory I exposed...I think we'll all have laughing for hours.





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As far as I know, Ms Universe's feelings have a minimal role in how she forms thoughts and comes to conclusions. It seems that things are different when it concerns you, my friend.
Now, this is simply a difference in preferences and provides each with their own strengths and weaknesses, which aren't the subject of this discussion. Let it be said, however, that the argument presented by Ms Universe is more congruent, simple and logical than yours. Yours is charged with fluff, contradictions and ambiguous points leading to a conclusion that I wasn't aware could be made from the data you presented.
I have, however, found the flaw in Ms Universe's argument. It lies in the definition of the word "fault". Her argument would imply that there is more to racism against blacks than their existence. The word fault implies that the blacks are inherently flawed and their existence can only bring about prejudice against them.
A better argument would be the following:
Now, this is simply a difference in preferences and provides each with their own strengths and weaknesses, which aren't the subject of this discussion. Let it be said, however, that the argument presented by Ms Universe is more congruent, simple and logical than yours. Yours is charged with fluff, contradictions and ambiguous points leading to a conclusion that I wasn't aware could be made from the data you presented.
I have, however, found the flaw in Ms Universe's argument. It lies in the definition of the word "fault". Her argument would imply that there is more to racism against blacks than their existence. The word fault implies that the blacks are inherently flawed and their existence can only bring about prejudice against them.
A better argument would be the following:
Racism against black people is a consequence of the existence of black people. If there were no black people, there would not be racism against black people.
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