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I had an idea a little while ago. I did the smart thing and sent it to Wolf just in case there was a flaw/exploit I didn't see. He didn't see anything, so here it is, as I sent it to him.

I had an interesting brainwave: individual markets. Players could invest in their own little market where they could set prices and such. (SS required?) Groups could band together and form larger markets, and individuals could invest in increasing the market size. After a market is created, the player can invest materials in the market and set rates for Naq/UU/Turns. (No PPT trading!) Larger markets can hold more goods and engage in more trades. At any time, though, the market owner(s) can close it and the goods are divided among the participants and distributed proportionally to each player's size and contribution.

I'd say an attack on a realm could damage the market, losing goods (nothing is taken from it, though-new covert ability?).

Basicly, a player could, for a sizeable amount of Naq (and possibly SS), make their own market. The owner could set the prices and exchange rates for the Naq/UU/Turns. However, the initial size of the market is small, so the player has to invest more money into the market to increase its size. Larger markets can hold more material and conduct more business.

Also, players could bank together to make a larger market. (This option is for alliances.) It might be possible for people to invest in multiple markets, but it might be wise to limit the number of markets a player can make.

In multi-player markets, it should be possible for any single person to close a market, but it should require the entire group to destroy it. The materials in a market are split among the members depending on how much they have invested in the market.

When a realm is attacked, it might be possible to destroy some of the goods in a market, but no goods should be stolen. Same for sabatoge. (This could be used for perventing the market form being used completely as a bank.)
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interesting idea, a sort of big bank, but not quite a bank as you said
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Well, since we already have one, I was trying not to end up having another.
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I don't want to bump this thread yet, but the lack of comments here kindof worries me. Wasn't this seen?
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Most people are busy talking about the new update :P.

The idea of a collective bank has been suggested many times, and DENIED each time.

The problem is, however risky you make it, if you give players the ability to set their own prices - I.E. 1uu for 1bill naq, it COULD and WOULD be used as a big bank.

The idea has merit, and it's quite good... The flaws are too expoitable thought I think. There are enough people expoiting the system already - looked in the black market lately?



Anyway, in conclusion - this is a good idea, but the cons outweight the pros I think.





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WhiteyDude wrote:Most people are busy talking about the new update :P.
Still, there should've been a comment by someone else by that time.

The idea of a collective bank has been suggested many times, and DENIED each time.
I am NOT suggesting a collective bank! (Keep an eye on the way you say things.)

The problem is, however risky you make it, if you give players the ability to set their own prices - I.E. 1uu for 1bill naq, it COULD and WOULD be used as a big bank.
1) If you want it to hold x amount of Naq, you should have to spend x amount of Naq to increase the market size to that limit (not including the initial cost).
2) Markets can be damaged by attacks, making you lose Naq/Turns/UU.
3) You CANNOT withdraw from the market. The only way is to destroy it, and that spreads it about based on how much people put into the bank.

The idea has merit, and it's quite good... The flaws are too expoitable thought I think. There are enough people expoiting the system already - looked in the black market lately?
Um, you know, I have put some thought into this.
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I never said you were suggesting a collective bank... Read what I said again please. Couldn't someone trade in 1bill naq for 1uu, then later on trade back for it? Doesn't that effectivly make it like a bank?

I also never said, or implied that you hadn't put any thought into it. Far to the contrary actually, I said the idea had a lot of merit and is quite good.


I also vented my opinion, which is that the cons outweight the pros - there isn't really any way that this couldn't be expoited, as it is suggested.


Please, I don't feel that I need a rebuttle against my opinion. You asked for someone to post a comment and I posted mine.




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WhiteyDude wrote:I never said you were suggesting a collective bank... Read what I said again please. Couldn't someone trade in 1bill naq for 1uu, then later on trade back for it? Doesn't that effectivly make it like a bank?
That would make it a temporary storage ground.

I also never said, or implied that you hadn't put any thought into it. Far to the contrary actually, I said the idea had a lot of merit and is quite good.
Thank you.


I also vented my opinion, which is that the cons outweight the pros - there isn't really any way that this couldn't be expoited, as it is suggested.
I would disagree with your example. See later for the reasoning. Would you like to try another?

Please, I don't feel that I need a rebuttle against my opinion. You asked for someone to post a comment and I posted mine.
Which I thank you for.

Now, your example as it stands is not an exploit, IMO.

If someone wants to setup that rate, then everytime someone puts in a billion, it's going to go very quickly. This is especially true during busy hours and if there's a market search system in place to search all the markets. (or perhaps they could be stalls in the grand market?) The lone issue of pragmatics should not be forgotten. If someone puts that up and puts in a billion Naq, then it's going to go very quickly.

If there is a flaw, then please try and come up with another example.
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WhiteyDude wrote:Please, I don't feel that I need a rebuttle against my opinion.



>.<. I seemed to get another one anyway.


If there was a market search feature implemented, sure, thay would decrease abuse capabilities easily. And remember, someone could recieve the 1bill naq (in my example), then change the price to 100mill units for 1bill naq.

WhiteyDude wrote:here isn't really any way that this couldn't be expoited, as it is suggested.


As I said... As it was suggested, it would have been exploitable. It still is, but it's more of a step in the right direction :).




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WhiteyDude wrote:>.<. I seemed to get another one anyway.
I'm just trying to argue my case. No offence intended to you.

If there was a market search feature implemented, sure, thay would decrease abuse capabilities easily. And remember, someone could recieve the 1bill naq (in my example), then change the price to 100mill units for 1bill naq.
Don't forget two things: (1) someone would have to put that in first and (2) the owner would have to spend 1 billion at least to get the market capacity that high (excluding the initial cost of buying it). Markets/Market-stalls should be long-term investments.

As I said... As it was suggested, it would have been exploitable. It still is, but it's more of a step in the right direction :).
Give me concrete examples and we'll see what we can do to hammer the problems out.
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I think there could be some big problems...

someone may mistype in their rate of exchange, etc

too many risks and not enough payoff, I think
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Prometheus2508 wrote:I think there could be some big problems...

someone may mistype in their rate of exchange, etc
It's changable on the fly for a reason.

too many risks and not enough payoff, I think
Other than the typical risks in any economic system, what specificly are theses risks?
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OK, now that most of the fury at the update is gone, we can focus our efforts on this!
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its a good idea but is probably 2 esy to explote to be worth it in my opion could be verry good aslong as some min where in eg. the min amount in naq for 10k uu 350mill or something like that so they cant do 10k uu for 1mill naq reworked abit and i think this could be a good upgrade
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seanet1310 wrote:its a good idea but is probably 2 esy to explote to be worth it in my opion could be verry good aslong as some min where in eg. the min amount in naq for 10k uu 350mill or something like that so they cant do 10k uu for 1mill naq reworked abit and i think this could be a good upgrade
A lot of people are talking about exploits, but only one person so far has actually come up with an example.

People, give me examples, so I can try and fix them!
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