should the state of Israel be allowed to exist...

[Juliette]

Avenger; your world view is so twisted and distorted that you cannot talk about politics with anyone on the same level.
To you, everyone who views the world as it is, or as the majority perceives it, is an ignorant fool.
Sorry to say, but that is just .. 'special'.

How can you keep expecting to have a discussion at an equal level if your world view is so completely different from everyone else's?!

[[KMA]Avenger]

have i EVER called anyone a fool? if i have then please show me!

look, i dont mince words (i dont have the vocabulary to do so even if i so wished), if i want to call someone a fool i will do so and i really dont care about consequences as can be seen by the fact i have 2 warnings and 1 unofficial warning (check reply to the unofficial warning).

now we get to another choice word used against me...twisted, please explain why i am twisted!

my definition of a twisted person is:

1, a devil worshiper
2, mass murderer
3, pedophile
4, anyone who abides cruelty to animals
5, anyone who approves of killing people for the betterment of the rest, which i believe would put said people into category number 1.
6, the world bankers
7, any member of the CFR
8, any member of the UN
9, 99% of all world leaders because they fall into most of the above categories
10, society as a whole is also guilty of being twisted because we sit around busying ourselves with trivial crap while most of the world is suffering 1 way or the other and we do nothing, let alone question anything!


now, give me your definition of twisted please!

[Deaths_Rider]

anyone with an original thought is twisted as i see it to be not twisted would mean you are strait which means you think upon only the well worn mental tracks that society encourages in which case i am proud to be twisted

[Thriller]

They key thing with avenger, Is that he believes almost everything that i have learned in school is a lie.

[Deaths_Rider]

he may not be that far off the mark while i don't claim too know enough about everything to spot the truth from the lies almost all the physics they teach in schools is a lie that makes it eaiser to understand the better lies they will teach you at university while occasinally stumbling on to the truth by accident. i don't see why history, english ect would be any different.

having said that i take most of what i learnt at school as fact or at least the closest theory too the fact unless a source i trust too know more on the subject says otherwise and can back it up

[[KMA]Avenger]

They key thing with avenger, Is that he believes almost everything that i have learned in school is a lie.

when i say "everything you have learned at school is a lie" i'm not singling you out, its not a personal thing, its a generalization term i'm using.
i'm sure that most of the things i was taught on the the few occasions i attended school-were also lies....

if i've come across as singling you out and pointing fingers at you personally and directly, then you have my most sincere apologies, that has never been my intent.

[Thriller]

They key thing with avenger, Is that he believes almost everything that i have learned in school is a lie.

when i say "everything you have learned at school is a lie" i'm not singling you out, its not a personal thing, its a generalization term i'm using.
i'm sure that most of the things i was taught on the the few occasions i attended school-were also lies....

if i've come across as singling you out and pointing fingers at you personally and directly, then you have my most sincere apologies, that has never been my intent.

Why would they be lies avenger, to keep me subservient, to indoctrinate me into the mindless proletariat. If that were true then why would the overlords allow education to begin with? If i were kept dumb and my imagination kept small i would be much easier to control....

Again you don't consider the fact that you may be wrong, You are looking for some holy grail, built along some messiah complex. It comes across as you believe you are here to enlighten us ignorant masses with your sacred secret truths. The thing is, most self proclaimed prophets are always full of crap.

Everyone who knows anything started learning it from someone else. The people who are able to combine that knowledge with personal experience and critical and creative thinking. Are the ones who are going to advance human understanding.

[Mister Sandman]

Israel deserves to exist, WWI and WWII gave tons of nations their right to chose to exist because of racial lines. So why should the one group that's been beaten to death by history be denied the right to their place of origin?

Pretty Much Sums it up.

it should read ...."should the state of palestine be allowed to exist..." NO

IF Israel would put me in charge I would wipe out every palestine that did not surrender and continue on any other peoples or groups ( muslims terrorist ) that would support the destruction of my country ..........


to bad the muslims dont stand up against their fellow muslims that are terrorist then maybe there would be more peace every where


come to my neighbor hood and see what happens

And so does this.




[spoiler]Now for unrelated real-estate, or land ownership arguments. The people who claim that 80% of land is owned by royalty. Are by technicality, correct.

You must understand real is an old term for Royal. Thus, "real" estate is "Royal" estate.

One says "But I own my land, ive paid off any debts on the land."

True, you live on the land, but you cannot, technically pay off debts on the land. There is always going to be tax, there is always going to be the term used is rates.

And, the people who control the money supply control you and inadvertently control all your assets. It is a modern type of royalty.

By the term royalty I don't necessary kings and queens, but some do, to this day, completely control the countries or at least 80% land.

Someone mentioned if royalty controlled 80% of the land 20% of land would be only available for normal populous. But as I stated before, by technicality, your always paying for the land and thus, never owning.

The only way to truly own your land is, Registering your land to your government that your land is a "separate identity" and thus a different country.

But for that case to happen you need to extremely rich, and be able to fund the services that you would need. Without being reliant on another country. That way you can become a king. [/spoiler]

[Deaths_Rider]

and the award for stupidist biggest anti muslism bigot goes to....
...hmm how can i choose between the one with the idea or the one that quotes it i know a tie congratulations you are blight on the intelegence of the human race

[Thriller]

Sandman your line of thinking is perpetuating the violence over there, no one has any moral high ground and picking sides in this feud is retarded.

And your wrong about owning land.

All developed countries governments are representative of the people. The people of the country control the land and each citizen within the country is entitled to a piece of that land. When you buy a house you own that land. It is your entitlement. The government is merely the administrative body. If i were merely renting it from the government then they would be responsible for upkeep and and maintenance of that land. It is one of the fundamental differences between public and private ownership.

In england the monarchy are merely a figure heads. If they attempted to annex any piece of land owned by a citizen by claiming royal entitlement the courts would always rule in favor of the citizen. Or you would have a riot on your hands. Taking land from someone who is actually breaking the law through their use of the land is a different matter.

[[KMA]Avenger]

They key thing with avenger, Is that he believes almost everything that i have learned in school is a lie.

when i say "everything you have learned at school is a lie" i'm not singling you out, its not a personal thing, its a generalization term i'm using.
i'm sure that most of the things i was taught on the the few occasions i attended school-were also lies....

if i've come across as singling you out and pointing fingers at you personally and directly, then you have my most sincere apologies, that has never been my intent.

Why would they be lies avenger, to keep me subservient, to indoctrinate me into the mindless proletariat. If that were true then why would the overlords allow education to begin with? If i were kept dumb and my imagination kept small i would be much easier to control....

Again you don't consider the fact that you may be wrong, You are looking for some holy grail, built along some messiah complex. It comes across as you believe you are here to enlighten us ignorant masses with your sacred secret truths. The thing is, most self proclaimed prophets are always full of crap.

Everyone who knows anything started learning it from someone else. The people who are able to combine that knowledge with personal experience and critical and creative thinking. Are the ones who are going to advance human understanding.

i don't have a messiah complex, i don't think i am smarter than anyone here, i don't think i know things that nobody else does, i don't think i have a sacred duty or mission or am a mouthpiece of god or however else you want to term it, all i ask is that you lot look a bit deeper with respects to what i say, that's it, that's all i ask.

the standard of education has been dropping, it has been for a very long time, this didn't start yesterday or last year or during the last decade. people ARE being dumb'd down and that's a provable fact, you only have to look at a few charts as well as the fact that in century's gone by, people governed themselves, they knew the law of the land and stuck to it (mostly)....

answer me this, if we are not being dumb'd down then why is it that your average Joe and Jane Blogs doesn't understand the laws that come from government- are maritime salvage banking laws (which is why money is known as currency) which apply to the ill informed, banks, corporations and seized chattel property (people are looked at as chattel property and not human beings) and that a "person" is NOT a human being but is in fact a corporation? that's provable by looking in blacks law dictionary which lists a "person" as a corporation!
TBH, i dont expect an answer of any worth, just more of the same drivel and preprogrammed answers as i've had before!

understand that only gods laws apply to human beings and that maritime banking salvage laws apply to corporations, when you get your head round that you might learn something (thats not aimed at any single individual)

i always consider the fact i maybe wrong, there are days when i think i'm mad all of this stuff, all of these conspiracy's, all of these things about our leaders being devil worshipers...ALL OF IT going threw my head and i'm like "WTH is wrong with you, your crazy, your mad, your misinterpreting information and hearing things", but when others come to you and tell you the same, respected others...what then do you say to yourself??

please dont assume that i refuse to see myself and listen to how i sound.

[Mister Sandman]

Sandman your line of thinking is perpetuating the violence over there, no one has any moral high ground and picking sides in this feud is retarded.

And your wrong about owning land.

T
Palestine should disperse and move into a different country if they really want to solve the issue.

Muslims don't even support Palestinians...

Real land owners.

[[KMA]Avenger]

meh

@sandman, where do you get your information from????

[Deaths_Rider]

meh

@sandman, where do you get your information from????

from the back of a cereal box made by G.W.B industrys

[Thriller]

Sandman your line of thinking is perpetuating the violence over there, no one has any moral high ground and picking sides in this feud is retarded.

And your wrong about owning land.

T
Palestine should disperse and move into a different country if they really want to solve the issue.

Muslims don't even support Palestinians...

Real land owners.

They can't disperse because there is 11 million people, all living under 3rd world conditions that are being perpetuated by Israeli blockade. No one will take on 11 million refugee's at once.

You would think the Israelis would have more compassion for the blight they are putting these Palestinians (with no other place to go) through. Given the circumstances of how they came about the land in the first place.

ANd you would think that the Palestinians would pursue nonviolent solutions in the opposition of such an overwhelming force.

But as long as people perpetuate the mistrust and violent solutions this **Filtered** will continue.