should the state of Israel be allowed to exist...

[[KMA]Avenger]

Sandman your line of thinking is perpetuating the violence over there, no one has any moral high ground and picking sides in this feud is retarded.

And your wrong about owning land.

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Palestine should disperse and move into a different country if they really want to solve the issue.

Muslims don't even support Palestinians...

Real land owners.

They can't disperse because there is 11 million people, all living under 3rd world conditions that are being perpetuated by Israeli blockade. No one will take on 11 million refugee's at once.

You would think the Israelis would have more compassion for the blight they are putting these Palestinians (with no other place to go) through. Given the circumstances of how they came about the land in the first place.

ANd you would think that the Palestinians would pursue nonviolent solutions in the opposition of such an overwhelming force.

But as long as people perpetuate the mistrust and violent solutions this **Filtered** will continue.

couldn't agree more with you...

see? i give credit where credit is due

[KnowLedge]

i cant really make up my mind.

on one side, its the only place jews have, they have had it since roman time and will always have it

on the other side, they are surrounded by people that want to kill them, soo.. like i cant see many reason why they even want to stay there..

as long as isreal/jews exist in middle east, there will be war in that area..

[[KMA]Avenger]

that's where your wrong, Israelis are NOT surrounded by people that want to kill them, the Zionist mass murdering pigs in control of israel are the Muslims enemy, NOT the the Jewish orthodox who simply want to co-exist with the Muslim nations.

[KnowLedge]

that's where your wrong, Israelis are NOT surrounded by people that want to kill them, the Zionist mass murdering pigs in control of israel are the Muslims enemy, NOT the the Jewish orthodox who simply want to co-exist with the Muslim nations.

after all that has happened, i dont think countries such as iran, iraq, egypt, ethiopia would want the jews in middle east.

take gulf war for example.. or Suddam Hussein.. its happened few times.. it will keep going until middle east is ruled by one religion..

and obviously that wont happen till USA is supporting isreal so you can say in a way that isreal will not be removed from middle east..

[Mister Sandman]

that's where your wrong, Israelis are NOT surrounded by people that want to kill them, the Zionist mass murdering pigs in control of israel are the Muslims enemy, NOT the the Jewish orthodox who simply want to co-exist with the Muslim nations.

after all that has happened, i dont think countries such as iran, iraq, egypt, ethiopia would want the jews in middle east.

take gulf war for example.. or Suddam Hussein.. its happened few times.. it will keep going until middle east is ruled by one religion..

and obviously that wont happen till USA is supporting isreal so you can say in a way that isreal will not be removed from middle east..

Well, as egypt being on israels side. So i dont think Egyptians care.

Palestine should simply disperse. In one way or another.

[Thriller]

that's where your wrong, Israelis are NOT surrounded by people that want to kill them, the Zionist mass murdering pigs in control of israel are the Muslims enemy, NOT the the Jewish orthodox who simply want to co-exist with the Muslim nations.

after all that has happened, i dont think countries such as iran, iraq, egypt, ethiopia would want the jews in middle east.

take gulf war for example.. or Suddam Hussein.. its happened few times.. it will keep going until middle east is ruled by one religion..

and obviously that wont happen till USA is supporting isreal so you can say in a way that isreal will not be removed from middle east..

Well, as egypt being on israels side. So i dont think Egyptians care.

Palestine should simply disperse. In one way or another.

plz clarify that statement or i'll assume you were suggesting that genocide is an acceptable solution

[Mister Sandman]

"Palestine should simply disperse. In one way or another. "

Clarification because Thriller assumes too much.

Palestine as in the people in Palestine
Should as in should.
Simply as being simply.
Disperse as in leaving the lands which are not rightfully theirs.
In as in In
One as in one
Way as in direction
Or as in Or
Another as opposed to a different possibility.

[Thriller]

Israel deserves to exist, WWI and WWII gave tons of nations their right to chose to exist because of racial lines. So why should the one group that's been beaten to death by history be denied the right to their place of origin?

Pretty Much Sums it up.

it should read ...."should the state of palestine be allowed to exist..." NO

IF Israel would put me in charge I would wipe out every palestine that did not surrender and continue on any other peoples or groups ( muslims terrorist ) that would support the destruction of my country ..........


to bad the muslims dont stand up against their fellow muslims that are terrorist then maybe there would be more peace every where


come to my neighbor hood and see what happens

And so does this.




[spoiler]Now for unrelated real-estate, or land ownership arguments. The people who claim that 80% of land is owned by royalty. Are by technicality, correct.

You must understand real is an old term for Royal. Thus, "real" estate is "Royal" estate.

One says "But I own my land, ive paid off any debts on the land."

True, you live on the land, but you cannot, technically pay off debts on the land. There is always going to be tax, there is always going to be the term used is rates.

And, the people who control the money supply control you and inadvertently control all your assets. It is a modern type of royalty.

By the term royalty I don't necessary kings and queens, but some do, to this day, completely control the countries or at least 80% land.

Someone mentioned if royalty controlled 80% of the land 20% of land would be only available for normal populous. But as I stated before, by technicality, your always paying for the land and thus, never owning.

The only way to truly own your land is, Registering your land to your government that your land is a "separate identity" and thus a different country.

But for that case to happen you need to extremely rich, and be able to fund the services that you would need. Without being reliant on another country. That way you can become a king. [/spoiler]

This right here leads me to believe (with what you wrote) that you are in favor of killing the Palestinians. If that's the case, **Filtered** you very much

[[KMA]Avenger]

that's where your wrong, Israelis are NOT surrounded by people that want to kill them, the Zionist mass murdering pigs in control of israel are the Muslims enemy, NOT the the Jewish orthodox who simply want to co-exist with the Muslim nations.

after all that has happened, i dont think countries such as iran, iraq, egypt, ethiopia would want the jews in middle east.

take gulf war for example.. or Suddam Hussein.. its happened few times.. it will keep going until middle east is ruled by one religion..

and obviously that wont happen till USA is supporting isreal so you can say in a way that isreal will not be removed from middle east..

Well, as egypt being on israels side. So i dont think Egyptians care.

Palestine should simply disperse. In one way or another.

again you are wrong!

what is it with you people that refuse to get your facts straight???

its not the Egyptian people that don't care but the Egyptian government that refuses to get involved due to the fact they are a puppet regime!!!

@sandman:

clarify "disperse" please.

[Deaths_Rider]

[quote="Mister Sandman"]"Palestine should simply disperse. In one way or another. "
Disperse as in leaving the lands which are not rightfully theirs.
[quote]

why is the country of PLAISTINE not rightfull the land of the PLASTINIANS

i really would like to see your answer on this one sandman it will be a new level of faulty logic and reason for me to observe

[[KMA]Avenger]

disperse as in what...jump in the sea (assuming those Palestinians living inland would be allowed by the IDF to get to the sea without being shot) , immigrate, jump the boarders into the surrounding country's, die, any of the above will do, what????

define "disperse" please.

[Mister Sandman]

"Palestine should simply disperse. In one way or another. "
Disperse as in leaving the lands which are not rightfully theirs.

why is the country of PLAISTINE not rightfull the land of the PLASTINIANS

i really would like to see your answer on this one sandman it will be a new level of faulty logic and reason for me to observe

The country of Palestine is made of un-owned land. Simply put. It belongs to Israel by right. If they didnt fight Israel , they would have nothing to fear. The Palestinians who are fighting, are, infact, terrorists. Not to forget the biggest terrorist of all being the United States of America.

Also, even if Israel took over "Palestine" I dont care. Its not like America or any other empire/state has tried, by force, to take land/resources.

There are many reasons to war, most of them being the profits.


Let me point out that Israel has tried to solve this diplomatically, but all diplomacy has failed. Egypt even backs Israel.

disperse as in what...jump in the sea (assuming those Palestinians living inland would be allowed by the IDF to get to the sea without being shot) , immigrate, jump the boarders into the surrounding country's, die, any of the above will do, what????

define "disperse" please.

disperse as in go into a different country.

[[KMA]Avenger]

and why should these people give up there homeland and go where exactly?

also, isn't that the problem the Jews faced PRIOR to stealing Palestine?

has history not taught you anything!?!?

edit:

silly me...how could i have over looked the FACT that christian Palestinians are also being murdered by the Zionists, and israel makes NO distinction between Muslim Palestinians and Christian Palestinians???

israel is well aware of them...before you try and say maybe they don't know about em!


edit 2:

just found this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkdQbhB7 ... annel_page

the guy uses sarcasm allot but the message is crystal clear.

[Osi]

the guy is just a guy, anyone can have a deluded opinion, it takes a degree for you to justify it.

And Avenger.... Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia would love to plow Israel under, we just stand in there way. Israel started this war to counter the rockets that have been launched into their cities for months. They fight to survive and endure as a people in a land that they rightfully deserve and that has always been taken away from them. Why is it that South Asia and The Slavic regions got to self determine where they're new homes would be, why is that the Soviet satellite republics got to chose their new boundaries. Why do the Jews have to be forced out of their home because they cause "trouble" Your logic is disgustingly flawed. Like I said Israel fights to survive not to conquer the East, brutality must be met with brutality, and what do you think the totalitarian theocracy is going to do with its Nukes once its gets them working? Hmmm? its not bound by the treaties everyone else signed, and I'm sure it won't be. If they have the chance they will destroy Israel because it is what they believe is justified. Your an idiot it you believe otherwise, and stop pestering Sandman about the word Disperse, you know what he/she meant so don't be moronic. You can question how I may use it should I ever use it because I believe a racial cleansing would do the Middle East wonders.


Start backing up your CRACKPOT insanity with real facts or stay out of this section.

[[KMA]Avenger]

the only crackpots round here are the ones who refuse to see the truth and wouldn't recognize the truth if it crawled up their backsides and died!

you dont want to hear the truth and just want to regurgitate your crap? then stay out of my threads!!!!

i've had just about enough of you patty...you can print your last post, roll it up and stick it where the sun dont shine...but then again....i think you would enjoy that to much!

you are without doubt the worst mod on these boards, just who the hell made you a mod anyways?