the NWO, is it real or a delusion?

[[KMA]Avenger]

If there was NWO then the "anointed one" would not be ascending to his gilded and unwelcome throne in the USA in a few days time. Governance is to inept to maintain a world organization of control.

ok, i will start off by first saying that i will supply proof and i expect the same from anyone wishing to debate this my sources will be questioned but that's ok, if someone can provide links from mainstream sources which say the same i will use those instead from now on, but before i do that i want to first answer Patty's post....

what makes you think that governance is inept and incapable of any form of organization?

you have to realize that government is doing EXACTLY what its meant to be doing and its us poor foolish people (note, not calling anyone single person foolish but ALL of us, me included), that are inept and not organized.


now, to my proof



bush tells the world of the NWO. date of this speech in British format; 11.09.91. in American format 9.11.1991, make of that what you will:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

Gordan Brown uses the words "New World Order":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0


http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/images/greatseal.jpg

The phrase Novus ordo seclorum (Latin for "New Order of the Ages") appears on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.


short film about the symbolism found on the 1 dollar bill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HgSz6EHb-g


a 7 minute film all about the symbolism of the NWO but unless you understand how symbolism is used by the elites you wont understand this film or its message:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9psap4l-Yc&NR=1


there's even more proof and i will supply it as the thread goes on, but let me ask you all this, does anything "Just Happen", or is it planned to be that way?

but before you answer that, let me show you this:

CIA rendition plane crashes with 4 tons of cocaine on board:



CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE:

Thursday, December 13, 2007

This Florida based Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA crash landed on September 24, 2007 after it ran out of fuel over Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula it had a cargo of several tons of Cocaine on board now documents have turned up on both sides of the Atlantic that link this Cocaine Smuggling Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA that crashed in Mexico to the CIA who used it on at least 3 rendition flights from Europe and the USA to Guantanamo's infamous torture chambers between 2003 to 2005.



now, if you was a major world leader (let alone the prez) wouldn't you have been irate, and DEMANDED a FULL no cost limit investigation of the cia, and that the cia account themselves and possibly shut them down...if you was a prez or world leader with half an ounce of sense?

the war on drugs that Nixon declared to the world is nothing short of a scam, the same goes with every other aspect of anti-social behavior. why is it so? because its supposed to be that way, nothing is "by chance", our governments are not meant to be effective at anything and the peoples growing anger at government is to sell the idea of a "New World Order" because when it gets so bad that people cannot stand it anymore they will dangle the idea of a single world government in front of our noses like a carrot on a stick, its the same tactic they have used time and time again. when the markets crashed back in the very early 1900's the solution for the american people was a central bank to stabilize the currency and the economy, it has done anything but that, as is evidenced by time and our current economic climate.

how about this from David Rockefeller:

"All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
-David Rockefeller

In his book Memoirs, published in 2002, David Rockefeller, Sr. made the following remarks, startling in their frankness:
"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."


i'll close with these speeches from JFK and Eisenhower:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WSGwnz7XpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

[Deaths_Rider]

real or delusion i'm not sure too be honest not sure it would make a difference either our government sucks due to stupity or due to reason either way the people suffer

[semper]

A new World Order? Well... duh...

what are you like a decade too late there Avenger. There has been one ever since what..hmm.. the second world war. Before 1939 England called the shots cos they were the top dogs, after WWII, due to increased Globalisation American took a top spot in the world. The country that controls trade controls the world, its not a difficult concept.

To this day, the further increased globalisation and the further distribution of global wealth further onto a more even scale has shifted the order once again.
As it stands in this day and age, there are FIVE countries that control trade in the world, and ergo the world itself. USA, UK, Germany, Japan and China. You could go as far to say eight countries are the most influential, but as soon as you get past those eight, then every other country out of the 180 or so there are, are all practically insignificant.

The great trading partners...will of course have deals on the side, and will dam well of course realise exactly the situation they are in. Credit Crunch, atm..the new global recession..look how that happened! Throw the toxic mortgages to one side for a moment. It started in the US, the idiots panicked caused a backlash with the shares and then a money problem, which eventually filtered through to their trading partners, more so the UK because the US are our biggest traders (imports and exports) even to this day with China and the tiger economies emerging more.

Add on top of all this, because of Globalisation things such as culture, language and beyond are becoming more consistent from country to country..well... wars between the dominating global powers have all but ceased so governments are more cooperative and closer allied...

It is real, I do not think it is anywhere near as insidious as you think it is though, most of these 'incidents' seem like the usual **Filtered** and bull mess ups of the US government, rather than indications of a NWO, and I also add it was inevitable, because Globalisation would have been a natural trend in the growth of the human species one way or another.

I have given you months to come to this conclusion yourself...

[[KMA]Avenger]

late or not mate, the fact remains that the majority of people are not happy, and the said majority knows not why because they are not educated or open minded enough to understand the world they live in.



"Your mind is like a parachute. It works best when it is open" - Jim Marrs

[semper]

late or not mate, the fact remains that the majority of people are not happy, and the said majority knows not why because they are not educated or open minded enough to understand the world they live in.



"Your mind is like a parachute. It works best when it is open" - Jim Marrs

they are not happy? Yeah you are right they do not understand. They also do not understand that near enough every human being that lives in the western world is responsible for it.

It is not a conspiracy theory, it is just ignorance.

[[KMA]Avenger]

the conspiracy only works because of our continued ignorance

[semper]

the conspiracy only works because of our continued ignorance

your forgot theory. It actually has to be a conspiracy to be called one, as it is not a consiracy..well you could say a conspiracy of societies evolution..but then that is giving it human properties.. Onomatopoeia? No..god know.. thats words that sound like they're spelt... Clash for example..

alas I digress..

So yeah..stop referring to it as a Conspiracy, it is not... you justify people ignorance by indulging their delusions...

[Elongar]

There is a significant difference between the "New World Order" as Bush and Rockefeller see it, and the "New World Order" in the eyes of conspiracy theorists. The one is a process of internationalization that extends beyond the world of commerce to attempt to unify such things as basic human rights, law, potentially even politics, and the other is the systematic manipulation of politics and commerce on a global scale by deceitful, and extremely powerful individuals.

It is almost inevitable that in any human form of government, power, at some level, be bestowed upon an individual - the rule of the few is inherently better than the rule of the many. A political system in which every citizen is faced with every issue government has to deal with is simply not feasible. Even more significantly, there is nothing to say that if everybody has a say, everything would be "better". Elitist as it may be, the number of people qualified to make decisions of a national, and more significantly, international level, is a dwindling minority. That's not to say that we have currently have the best men on the job, but it is to say that the current system allows for the best people to get the job. That is to say, if you're assumptions of this "New World Order" rest merely on the notion that a small minority of people have a large say in what happens in this world, then you'd be completely correct that we have a "New World Order", and I don't regret it one bit!

[KnowLedge]

If there was NWO then the "anointed one" would not be ascending to his gilded and unwelcome throne in the USA in a few days time. Governance is to inept to maintain a world organization of control.

ok, i will start off by first saying that i will supply proof and i expect the same from anyone wishing to debate this my sources will be questioned but that's ok, if someone can provide links from mainstream sources which say the same i will use those instead from now on, but before i do that i want to first answer Patty's post....

what makes you think that governance is inept and incapable of any form of organization?

you have to realize that government is doing EXACTLY what its meant to be doing and its us poor foolish people (note, not calling anyone single person foolish but ALL of us, me included), that are inept and not organized.


now, to my proof



bush tells the world of the NWO. date of this speech in British format; 11.09.91. in American format 9.11.1991, make of that what you will:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

Gordan Brown uses the words "New World Order":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0


http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/images/greatseal.jpg

The phrase Novus ordo seclorum (Latin for "New Order of the Ages") appears on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States.


short film about the symbolism found on the 1 dollar bill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HgSz6EHb-g


a 7 minute film all about the symbolism of the NWO but unless you understand how symbolism is used by the elites you wont understand this film or its message:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9psap4l-Yc&NR=1


there's even more proof and i will supply it as the thread goes on, but let me ask you all this, does anything "Just Happen", or is it planned to be that way?

but before you answer that, let me show you this:

CIA rendition plane crashes with 4 tons of cocaine on board:



CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE:

Thursday, December 13, 2007

This Florida based Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA crash landed on September 24, 2007 after it ran out of fuel over Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula it had a cargo of several tons of Cocaine on board now documents have turned up on both sides of the Atlantic that link this Cocaine Smuggling Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA that crashed in Mexico to the CIA who used it on at least 3 rendition flights from Europe and the USA to Guantanamo's infamous torture chambers between 2003 to 2005.



now, if you was a major world leader (let alone the prez) wouldn't you have been irate, and DEMANDED a FULL no cost limit investigation of the cia, and that the cia account themselves and possibly shut them down...if you was a prez or world leader with half an ounce of sense?

the war on drugs that Nixon declared to the world is nothing short of a scam, the same goes with every other aspect of anti-social behavior. why is it so? because its supposed to be that way, nothing is "by chance", our governments are not meant to be effective at anything and the peoples growing anger at government is to sell the idea of a "New World Order" because when it gets so bad that people cannot stand it anymore they will dangle the idea of a single world government in front of our noses like a carrot on a stick, its the same tactic they have used time and time again. when the markets crashed back in the very early 1900's the solution for the american people was a central bank to stabilize the currency and the economy, it has done anything but that, as is evidenced by time and our current economic climate.

how about this from David Rockefeller:

"All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
-David Rockefeller

In his book Memoirs, published in 2002, David Rockefeller, Sr. made the following remarks, startling in their frankness:
"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."


i'll close with these speeches from JFK and Eisenhower:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WSGwnz7XpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

i agree!

[sarparto]

Everything [KMA]Avenger has written about is true, check this clip out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfQ3IH-TWVI

[spoiler]See, the NWO is not a hoax. It's just come and passed and I know you probably wish I hadn't wasted the 10 seconds it took for you to check out that link, but seriously, you shouldn't have wasted your time by starting this thread. Next thing we know you're going to tell us the Amero is real and that the tooth fairy exists.[/spoiler]

[[KMA]Avenger]

1 thing that REALLY gets my goat up is when people associate fantasy's with fact:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

what did this guy say @ 0.30 secs, did he say Amero on national TV???

go and start your own thread if you want to talk about fairy's, or any other type of mythical creature for that matter!

[semper]

There is a significant difference between the "New World Order" as Bush and Rockefeller see it, and the "New World Order" in the eyes of conspiracy theorists. The one is a process of internationalization that extends beyond the world of commerce to attempt to unify such things as basic human rights, law, potentially even politics, and the other is the systematic manipulation of politics and commerce on a global scale by deceitful, and extremely powerful individuals.

It is almost inevitable that in any human form of government, power, at some level, be bestowed upon an individual - the rule of the few is inherently better than the rule of the many. A political system in which every citizen is faced with every issue government has to deal with is simply not feasible. Even more significantly, there is nothing to say that if everybody has a say, everything would be "better". Elitist as it may be, the number of people qualified to make decisions of a national, and more significantly, international level, is a dwindling minority. That's not to say that we have currently have the best men on the job, but it is to say that the current system allows for the best people to get the job. That is to say, if you're assumptions of this "New World Order" rest merely on the notion that a small minority of people have a large say in what happens in this world, then you'd be completely correct that we have a "New World Order", and I don't regret it one bit!

That's pretty much what we said, all summarised and put into a neat bundle.

[[KMA]Avenger]

if you're assumptions of this "New World Order" rest merely on the notion that a small minority of people have a large say in what happens in this world, then you'd be completely correct that we have a "New World Order", and I don't regret it one bit!

do you think they care about you or people who think like you do? that last bit is the most disturbing of all because it shows what a good job of brain washing they have done on you...

your starting to remind me of Universe and the things she says

[Elongar]

if you're assumptions of this "New World Order" rest merely on the notion that a small minority of people have a large say in what happens in this world, then you'd be completely correct that we have a "New World Order", and I don't regret it one bit!

do you think they care about you or people who think like you do? that last bit is the most disturbing of all because it shows what a good job of brain washing they have done on you...

your starting to remind me of Universe and the things she says

KMA, all I said was that it is completely natural for a small minority of people to have the vast majority of power in any kind of power structure. That is the way humans function at their best. If responsibility is passed down the heirarchy, and suddenly a large number of people have a lot of power, the system loses unity, due to conflicts on a low level. If there is unity at a high level, it filters down the heirarchy to preserve unity throughout, if you get what I'm saying.

I'm NOT saying that the leaders of Rockefeller's New World Order care about me individually and personally. That would be absurd. What I am saying is that the leaders of the New World do care about the preservation of the system as a whole. And that is significant, because in my opinion, in a modern society, the motives of the leaders of the New World coincide broadly with our motives - namely economic growth and stability. At some level, you have to decide on a particular group/individual to whom you bestow power, but at that point, that individual's ideas of growth and stability outweigh your own. This is inevitable, unless you revert to anarchy. Your own, personal needs and ideas will always be outweighed by someone elses.

[Deaths_Rider]

exactly why ego-anarchism is the way too go you only have what you can protect be it land or rights