disney, are they the good wholesome family brand we take....

[RepliMagni]

You know when its dark and you see a shape, often you see a humanoid shape - turn the light on and its just your chair. Why? Because the brain tries to make sense of what you saw, and for most people this takes the form of a fellow human shape.

I think many of those examples are people looking far too closely at things - probably says more about them than it does about disney. Most of those things are completely harmless....and completely unnoticeable. Who freeze frames to see a guys equipment? Kids don't even know what the word sex means to be remotely influenced by it.

As mentioned above - why would disney do this? If its individual cartoonist putting things in for laughs like Tyler Durden, then maybe, but I'm sure someone views over their individual contributions.

Plus, I'd like to see originals of many of those things. Blown up, distorted pictures on some random website are hardly conclusive evidence. How do we know they're actually even in the cartoons, and not what someone photoshoped onto them?

Disney may be money-grabbing capitalists like the rest of us, but lets not get overly cynical here guys....

[Stubert]

tbh, every childrens show has hidden meanings. magic roundabout? alice in wonderland? captain pugwash? theres loads of them. all depends on how you interpret it. i doubt most kids would have a notion whats going on, they wouldnt see the (mis?)interpreted side. it hardly affects them. or it could be they reason some of us become perverts?

[Deaths_Rider]

while these things are obviosly not wanted in childrens shows movies ect things are not checked frame by frame by anyone but the people making them there was a similar incident with a coke bilboard once it was made and approved then some people realised that the guy that made it made some of the ice appear like a woman sucking a #### now he did it as a joke and got fired for it but there would be plenty of cases where it would go unnoticed like some of yours as for fantasia i have no idea what they did there

[[KMA]Avenger]

all i have done is open a debate and argued it is done deliberately because of the frequency of sexual content hidden in the images and the fact thats its always sexual is strong enough evidence that it is done by order rather than oversight, and not because a few sick cartoonists wanted some "lulz"!

after the first 3 or 4 "mistakes" you would think that someone high up in disney would have said something along the lines of "ok, this joke has gone far enough! this crap stops now, the next animator to include ANYTHING in his work that shouldn't be there will be prosecuted because your all going to sign contracts to make sure you lot stop this!"

i'm not arguing a conspiracy, if i was, i would have said it from the outset so we would all know what direction this thread should take.

as to the "why they would do this?" i dont have a clue, if i did i would have stated it from the beginning...

i'm sure if you write a nice letter asking disney to explain themselves they will say they are either oversights or "mistakes", yeah right!

i can assure you that as VERY experienced wedding and expensive evening ware cutter, if i made a mistake of that magnitude i would not be hired by anyone in that line of work again!

[Thriller]

You know when its dark and you see a shape, often you see a humanoid shape - turn the light on and its just your chair. Why? Because the brain tries to make sense of what you saw, and for most people this takes the form of a fellow human shape.

I think many of those examples are people looking far too closely at things - probably says more about them than it does about disney. Most of those things are completely harmless....and completely unnoticeable. Who freeze frames to see a guys equipment? Kids don't even know what the word sex means to be remotely influenced by it.

As mentioned above - why would disney do this? If its individual cartoonist putting things in for laughs like Tyler Durden, then maybe, but I'm sure someone views over their individual contributions.

Plus, I'd like to see originals of many of those things. Blown up, distorted pictures on some random website are hardly conclusive evidence. How do we know they're actually even in the cartoons, and not what someone photoshoped onto them?

Disney may be money-grabbing capitalists like the rest of us, but lets not get overly cynical here guys....

There is a psychological term for what your talking about but i just can't think of it. Something like accustomed pattern imprinting/transference.... i can't remember.

Most of what avenger is talking about can be compared to finding familiar images when you stare at the clouds.

Walt Disney was no saint. But the "subliminal messages" you are referencing avenger are not capable of the outcomes your suggesting.

[[KMA]Avenger]

did i suggest any outcomes?

all i'm simply saying is that because of the frequency of the "mistakes", and because all of them are the same subject matter-strongly points to them being done deliberately...

i thought i had left out the conspiracy side of it, my bad for not being more clear.

[Thriller]

Are you saying that Walt Disney intentionally added in the "Hidden images", If so, for what purpose?

Or that some animators thought it was funny to slip a few naughty images past the editors?

[[KMA]Avenger]

as i said, i have no idea as to the why, having said that i cant outright dismiss all of them as simply jokes BUT, as i said, after the first few jokes/mistakes, you would think someone higher up the chain would have got sick of them and did something about it because its obviously done some damage to disneys good clean wholesome image.

all i know for sure is this...if i was head of disneys, i would have made the animators sign a contract to cut it all out and made it VERY public so there would be no confusion and crush any conspiracy talk before it even got stated, wouldn't you do the same?

[Deaths_Rider]

all i know for sure is this...if i was head of disneys, i would have made the animators sign a contract to cut it all out and made it VERY public so there would be no confusion and crush any conspiracy talk before it even got stated, wouldn't you do the same?

no i wouldn't i'd do exactly what they have done and sweep it under the rug so no one ever heard about it from anywhere but obscure internet sites that people will pass off as bogus anyway. right now a huge majority of people wouldn't know about it and would say your making it up if you told. them coming out and publicly saying it wont happen again would do more too damage there image too the larger public audience

[[KMA]Avenger]

i disagree, the fact that when people heard about erm...mermaid thing caused the sales to sky rocket before the recall of the videos went out, shows that people did hear about it and the cat was out of the bag...so to speak.
also the fact that much of it got posted over net shows that damage has been done, going public would benefit them in 3 ways i can think off, 1 it completely crush all rumors, gossip and conspiracy's in 1 fell swoop. 2, would show that these were indeed mistakes or rogue animators and as such would help to distance disney themselves from the culprits. 3, would show honesty on the part of a large corporation at a time when the corporate image is less than honest or transparent.

[Thriller]

1) Rumors would create an occult market to further sales
2) would actually crush sales and destroy their heavily icon based products
3) Already possess a good reputation with the majority of the market so doing this would be very counter productive.

If your going to against the corporate system, you should really read up more on how they operate.

[Colton]

Disney is not the only company that has had this sort of stuff on their shows either. On Stargate SG:1 I've seen plenty of sex-oriented humor that almost nobody notices.. other than the loser that watches each episode 4 or 5 times over..

[[KMA]Avenger]

1) Rumors would create an occult market to further sales
2) would actually crush sales and destroy their heavily icon based products
3) Already possess a good reputation with the majority of the market so doing this would be very counter productive.

If your going to against the corporate system, you should really read up more on how they operate.

they are corrupt, greedy and lustful for excessive profits, non beneficial to anyone but themselves, do i need to learn anything else?

i'm not arguing (i assume that the argue is the missing word from the above?) against the corporate system, just that honesty from a corporation would do more good than harm, IF they have nothing to hide...IMHO of course

[[KMA]Avenger]

that is also very true.

[Apadamek]

Are you kidding me? These are put in as jokes by animators, guys who spend 16 hours a day making kids films, they gotta do something to keep it fresh.

The little mermaid one is purely coincidental, next you'll be wondering why in the 60's commercials always had housewives grasping long cylindrical "brooms", TO CORRUPT THE YOUTH OF COURZE.

This is hardly Disney the corporations fault, and why would they say "i'm sick of it" look at the picture you linked, it's maybe 2 seconds of air time, way in the background, while the characters are being chased by alligators (or something, been a while.). All eyes are on the intrepid heroes, while animators who were making sure everything was good got a laugh. Employee's happy, movie not hampered, kid's don't notice, profits good.

Animators are a few and far between group, there aren't exactly millions just waiting to be low wage hard work guys, especially seeing as how the workforce is being slowly killed by computers. These guys have unions, start firing them and it just won't be worth it.