WTH (Ombudsman) nomination discussion

[Dajjal]

Heh...

Are yah sure?

[Noobert]

Possibly. But I do not want to spam the thread so I won't post anymore on the matter.

[Dajjal]

Very well, good luck Semper... and Noobert.

[Tekki]

So basically Semper, in your response, you are claiming I have mis-interpreted everything ever about you. In your mind, you have allowed no possibility for me to have been correct in any way. For someone trying for a position where impartiality is important this does not seem to be very illustrative of your ability to be unbiased. Though, this is once again a good thing for a debater, but not for an ombudsman who is meant to look at both sides of the case. Regardless of if you were role playing or not, you are now trying to say that because of the role play I have formed the 'wrong' initial impression. There can only be one initial impression, and the impression of your character - perhaps of your role played character - is not good. Though this was an opportunity for you to drop the role play and you didn't.

As an ombudsman, people are not going to have time to chat to you a lot, to find out who you are behind the role play. And so from that initial impressions of anyone are important.

Your response is crowing and triumphant about mistakes I supposedly made or how I 'fell' into your trap. This is not the reasoned and neutral tone I'd expect from an ombudsman, and while yes you do not have the position, you are applying for it here, and I would expect you be behave and react to all posts here, in the way you would as an ombudsman, not to be pointing out perceived multiple flaws in a tone that implies 'victory'.

The phrase 'My dear Tekki' is condescending and inappropriate and as they are the opening words on that post, they merely set the scene for your disdain and lay the groundwork for the tone of crowing. Let's get this very clear, I am not, and have never been your 'dear' and your use of that phrase is insulting and derogatory. You don’t want to link facade and game and responsibility and that is fair enough, except with your response, you have failed to remove the facade in a thread where you should be demonstrating the man of responsibility.

Do you think perhaps I have not looked at factoring in for the person behind the role play? I have spoken to you several times recently, and have been given one particular PM discussion you had with a friend that shows the same reaction when questions - lash out at the individual, without looking at the case and the facts and considering the wider view.

Or perhaps I should correct that. You did consider the wider view, but considered it to be unimportant and therefore not worthy of concern. As an ombudsman, that call is not yours to make. You would be required to face and treat all complaints with the same dignity and of course to priorities them but not to ridicule or demean the importance of them.

Now, you say that I caught you on a bad day with Law. Perhaps that is true. However, if that’s the case how will you react to someone who catches you on a bad day if you get the Ombudsman position, who’s complaint or situation you do not agree with, or who has been previously antagonising you or your friends? I very much shudder to think of the possible reaction.

Fact of the matter is Semper, role play or not, facade or not, responsible or not, my initial impression of you (role playing you perhaps) is not favourable and I’m equally certain your impression of me is similarly glum. But it is that initial impression that anyone who approaches you as the Ombudsman will carry. You had your opportunity with your response to behave not as the role player or the debator, but to show me how you’d behave as the ombudsman, and your choice of opening words, ‘My dear Tekki,’ showed that you were incapable of giving up the facade and while you may be a different person on MSN for example, in PMs and in forum posts, the facade and the actor is still drowning out the man you want us to believe you are and would be as ombudsman.

If you did add me to MSN, (though I thought I already had you on mine) I guess we will have the opportunity to talk further.

[ramen07]

*just read a novel on semper*

um.....go myworld!

[pianomutt20000]

Mixed feelings, So I will endorse three people and non-endorse two.


Freespirit = A fine fellow, always around and likes to add interesting commentary to the game. Has a history of
being willing to fight the powers that be when needed or perceived needed. Though he's not perfect, he's
not going anywhere. And he Will fight for you. Being Ombudsman requires someone who is willing to butt
heads with the Administration or Supermods when needed. Such as I displayed with Nimras. He also needs to
have the heart to honestly want to give enemies ingame, a fair and just hearing in forum. I believe that FS
has these morals. Of course, only time will tell.

Semper - Perhaps he would be less likely to try and reverse permabans, but that's a tricky topic anyways.
I believe that he would be more then up to the job, and though perhaps not quite the firebrand FS is...nonetheless, a real class act.

Antz - Good ol AK dude. Reliable, not sure if he has enough posts in forum though. Non-bias all the way.


These are the three whom I believe are up to the task after being Ombudsman for 9 or so months. Some of my policies were confrontational and not agreed with (such as my attempts to get Tok'ra another chance, and a system now established to reverse permabans). But I have tried to be fair. I will only endorse those that I truely believe will do their best to be fair. These are those two.


I am Pianomutt and I approve this msg,

Pianomutt2000 Ombudsman (for a few more days I guess)




Now....For the Non-Endorsement.

Nimras = There are several reasons why Nimras would be a poor selection. Personally, we used to get along and chat.
But he interprets the rules to benefit his side. There was an instance where he gave someone a ban, for a warning given
1 month earlier. That person just happened to be the leader of an alliance at war with his. He claims the rules allowed, I disagreed...

I took it to the Administration, and they agreed with me. Ban lifted.

We had many public arguments and private ones, and eventually he was removed from his role as supermod for reasons that I will not state.
I believe that as Ombudsman, things would be extremely biased with Nimras in charge.


Sorry Nim, but I feel bound by honor to state exactly how I feel. Racemod is a good place for you.

Tetris - I do not believe you are mature enough, otherwise your cool.

V/R,

Pianomutt2000 Ombudsman

[zeekomkommer]

Honestly, I see Semper doing good for the forums, but his only problem is taking things to seriously. A good person at heart perhaps, but takes things to seriously. You need to learn when to back off on something and stop making such snappy remarks.

tetris, the forum can be a verry serious place sometimes. and if someone is not capable of seeing when it is then that person WILL step on alot of toes with trying to debate stuff or start role-playing. if one isn't capable of serperating serious and role-play then your not good as an ombudsman.

and tetris look @ it in 2 ways : tekki might be going @ semper. but semper has a fair chance of defending hiself. and if he can do so in a honourable decent and respectfull manner it will give him more votes then he loses

[pianomutt20000]

On a seperate note.


During my time, I have helped the position grow. As ombudsman, you are not just a messenger to the Admins. As that would just
bog down their job as well. Nor do you have power over the mods, though if they are out of line you can go straight to the Admins.


When push comes to shove, and a mod refuses the Ombudsman's decision (which is rare, as usually he can spell out his reasoning.)
It goes to the Admin's for a vote. This has happened only once, and that was over Nimras's ban of REK.


The position requires further growth, whomever wins has a personal msg in the Ombudsman/Admin section that you all can't see.
Written before election, in order to maintain neutrality in my opinion.

Sometimes, you can't get a complete reversal and compromise is needed...That too is something you must understand.


You answer to two bosses. Player and Admin. I know many of the mods and count them as friends, but they will all tell you that in a hot second I
will request a warning for them. (sorry jack)(only in my section). Firm but Fair, and without bias. Some say that is impossible, but i've worked deals for my enemies in the past.


You are an advocate for those that feel wronged. I've told many that the warning was valid, nothing I can do. For others, I agreed with their view and fought
for it as hard as I could.





My greatest regret?


... ... ... ... Never could get Tok'ra's Permaban repealed lol. Took that one straight to Admin Jason, somethings are beyond my ability.

Bill

[zeekomkommer]

unbanning tok'ra is a no go zone P2K, jaso himself banned tok'ra ingame and on forum with great reasons. he has already been unbanned once and just went to his old habbits. you can't save everyone and ppl can only change when they want to change and even then it takes ALOT of effort

[pianomutt20000]

unbanning tok'ra is a no go zone P2K, jaso himself banned tok'ra ingame and on forum with great reasons. he has already been unbanned once and just went to his old habbits. you can't save everyone and ppl can only change when they want to change and even then it takes ALOT of effort

People can only change when given the chance to change. I think he had, and we'll never know unless he tries.


He's still ingame, even Jason himself is aware of this fact and even knows the account. He's safe there unless he makes too many waves.

Bill

[Brdavs]

@ Brdavs,,,,
Your wrong.


But one thing I would like to see much more then the current state, is for someone willing to grow the position. What so many of you fail to understand is the OMGWTHMAN is not a "supervisor" to the mod team. It holds no power over them, and it answers directly to the Admins. The job is not about trying to "control" mods, that's just what several narrow minded people want it to be.

It is the voice of the people in ALL forum matters. If you want a word added or removed from the filter list then you go to the oms, If your sick of seeing full page siggies, or people wearing 7 or 8, or if you think there should be more, then go to the oms. If you feel certain sections of forums are no longer needed, or a new section is, then go to the oms. The job could be so much more the a "mod complaints" person, and it should be. It should be a voice for those who refuse to post here for fear of massing and extortion, the voice of those who no longer come here because of the conditions. What is so hard as admins, is the fact that ANY move we make is bashed for no reason, but if improvements come to us as admins, demanded by the people, promoted by the OMGWTHMAN, and approved by Admins then there is NO ONE who can complain and stand on their soap boxes screaming bias.

THAT is what I want to see in a new candidate, someone who wants the job to better the community, to better the forums, for the people, not for personal gain, not for political or alliance gain, but for no other reason then to better these forums for the sake of the people in them, and believe you me, you can lose as many friends as you gain when you just do whats right.

~Lore~

I am? You want the position to "grow" when it arguably fails in its initial calling, or at the very leasst whos primary calling is so demanding (or it should be) that it ought take all his time? Its narrowminded to expect that a job named after the caretaker of induviduals rigts in due process would primerily involve, I duuno, guarding induviduals and their "rights" against things like arbitrarity modding etc... Meaning he ought not be in a postition lets say you are in when it comes to that scum jacko (wink wink - insiders joke heh).

So you`re basically sweeping the core of the job under the rug and (hopefully) making the position about the go to guy to remove too big/too many sigs, public backer of "improvment ideas" and the like heh. Oh how narrow minded we are, to assume you were out for a system of checks and balances or atleast a person that will name and shame with no remorse and whos finger will carry weight in the first place lol. Just one more glorified PR stunt. It`s gonna be a barrel of laughs, this.

And in the end, why not, I need a good laugh heh. Lets make it a fu(a)ll house. I call (bs).

[Antz]

Antz - Good ol AK dude. Reliable, not sure if he has enough posts in forum though. Non-bias all the way.

Thanks for the backing bill, catch me online soon. i gotta talk to you before you leave

[FreeSpirit]

Freespirit = A fine fellow, always around and likes to add interesting commentary to the game. Has a history of
being willing to fight the powers that be when needed or perceived needed. Though he's not perfect, he's
not going anywhere. And he Will fight for you. Being Ombudsman requires someone who is willing to butt
heads with the Administration or Supermods when needed. Such as I displayed with Nimras. He also needs to
have the heart to honestly want to give enemies ingame, a fair and just hearing in forum. I believe that FS
has these morals. Of course, only time will tell.

Thanks for the kind words Bill.

[pianomutt20000]

@ Brdavs,,,,
Your wrong.


But one thing I would like to see much more then the current state, is for someone willing to grow the position. What so many of you fail to understand is the OMGWTHMAN is not a "supervisor" to the mod team. It holds no power over them, and it answers directly to the Admins. The job is not about trying to "control" mods, that's just what several narrow minded people want it to be.

It is the voice of the people in ALL forum matters. If you want a word added or removed from the filter list then you go to the oms, If your sick of seeing full page siggies, or people wearing 7 or 8, or if you think there should be more, then go to the oms. If you feel certain sections of forums are no longer needed, or a new section is, then go to the oms. The job could be so much more the a "mod complaints" person, and it should be. It should be a voice for those who refuse to post here for fear of massing and extortion, the voice of those who no longer come here because of the conditions. What is so hard as admins, is the fact that ANY move we make is bashed for no reason, but if improvements come to us as admins, demanded by the people, promoted by the OMGWTHMAN, and approved by Admins then there is NO ONE who can complain and stand on their soap boxes screaming bias.

THAT is what I want to see in a new candidate, someone who wants the job to better the community, to better the forums, for the people, not for personal gain, not for political or alliance gain, but for no other reason then to better these forums for the sake of the people in them, and believe you me, you can lose as many friends as you gain when you just do whats right.

~Lore~

I am? You want the position to "grow" when it arguably fails in its initial calling, or at the very leasst whos primary calling is so demanding (or it should be) that it ought take all his time? Its narrowminded to expect that a job named after the caretaker of induviduals rigts in due process would primerily involve, I duuno, guarding induviduals and their "rights" against things like arbitrarity modding etc... Meaning he ought not be in a postition lets say you are in when it comes to that scum jacko (wink wink - insiders joke heh).

So you`re basically sweeping the core of the job under the rug and (hopefully) making the position about the go to guy to remove too big/too many sigs, public backer of "improvment ideas" and the like heh. Oh how narrow minded we are, to assume you were out for a system of checks and balances or atleast a person that will name and shame with no remorse and whos finger will carry weight in the first place lol. Just one more glorified PR stunt. It`s gonna be a barrel of laughs, this.

And in the end, why not, I need a good laugh heh. Lets make it a fu(a)ll house. I call (bs).

Though, there were sigs that I tried to have banned.... That wasn't my primary job.

I thought I did it well enough, do you disapprove of how I did my job? Yeah it has to grow, because the ombudsman's opinion ends up
affecting new rules and so forth. It just does, by the nature of the job.



The ombudsman is the direct link to the admins when needed, when you feel that you are getting the shorter end of the stick.





BTW...no mod caused me more work then Jack, though nimras came close lol.

[Lore]

I am? You want the position to "grow" when it arguably fails in its initial calling, or at the very leasst whos primary calling is so demanding (or it should be) that it ought take all his time? Its narrowminded to expect that a job named after the caretaker of induviduals rigts in due process would primerily involve, I duuno, guarding induviduals and their "rights" against things like arbitrarity modding etc... Meaning he ought not be in a postition lets say you are in when it comes to that scum jacko (wink wink - insiders joke heh).

So you`re basically sweeping the core of the job under the rug and (hopefully) making the position about the go to guy to remove too big/too many sigs, public backer of "improvment ideas" and the like heh. Oh how narrow minded we are, to assume you were out for a system of checks and balances or atleast a person that will name and shame with no remorse and whos finger will carry weight in the first place lol. Just one more glorified PR stunt. It`s gonna be a barrel of laughs, this.

And in the end, why not, I need a good laugh heh. Lets make it a fu(a)ll house. I call (bs).

Since you seem to have completely misunderstood my meaning or my point, I'll make myself a bit clearer, sorry for the confusion.

I can`t stand the mods establishment and they can`t stand me.

@ Brdavs,,,,
Your wrong.

Hope that clears up any misconception.

Now as far as the unusual commentary above, If you feel me wanting someone to do what the job is actually meant be in its entirety is BS, then thats your opinion, and I'll not try to change it.


I do find it amusing that you or anyone else believes that the Oms job is solely and most importantly about mod disputes/complaints. Seems to me that type of thinking is limiting the job itself when it could do so much more, but again, you have your reasoning, and I wont try to change it.


And for the record Brdavs, as of right now, should I choose to vote, a member of TTF has it as of right now. We have spoke about it, and I'm intrested to see what he brings to the table.

So I guess we can settle up after elections?