a ideea to stop feeding from inactive accounts

[S1eepy]

*epic face-palm*

[Neimenljivi]

Omg Affirmation You really belive the words that're coming out of your keyboard to be right?

Feeding is when someone farms for you then deliberatly leaves naq outside and tells you to hit when he puts naq out for the sole purpuse of a specific player getting the naq. Me farming you (and you unwillingly were farmed, you didn't like it) doesn' equal you feeding me
And no, I don't remember how many times I day I hit u because I had over 30 pages of people I had war with, including most of top 200...And that is after I accidently pressed "Set ALL relations to neutral" button..Would be another 30 if it weren't for that..So sorry, a bit too many people I had farmed.

You're contradicting yourself. First you said that you played to be #1, now that you play to help people and you were satisfied by top 30. C'mon, spare me the BS.

Feeding doesn't equal teamwork. I already explained the differences and everything but then again it's like playing table tennis with a wall. I ain't Chuck Norris to beat it.
Ok I'll try to write a short version what you did. You helped someone and with which you were deacreasing the possibility of acomplishment of your goal (which already was small) even further. You didn't get any sort of benfit back from it ingame which is feeding.

Snipers...they're pointless to lose words about.

~Jack

[Affirmation]

*epic face-palm*

OK, OK, sorry, I am tired from a hellashishly long work day yesterday, I am a little dense this morning.

I am wanting to understand, and I apologize if these issues have been hashed over before so I should be able to read them somewhere... If so, excuse my new stupidity on the issues.

Jack, I think I am understanding. Feeding, would be the voluntary assistance, of extending NAQ to another player, in a coordinated effort??
Farming, is taking the NAQ at any time, with no coordination of any sort involved. Is this close??

Wow, OK, then I am stupidly guilty of Feeding I guess. Please, someone put that in the rules, because I just did not see that one there... Sorry to be a douche-bag pighead about it. Seemed like an OK way to assist others with their goals, while enjoying the benefits of Peacful relations with top players who could attack me, but instead leave me alone because we are working together. Guess I gained nothing from that relationship at all.

Can someone please reiterate the socially acceptable standards of what is OK feeding, and what is not? For me if no one else, since apparently I am the only one confused still. Next era I will follow the socially accepted standards of when it is OK to give NAQ, or not OK to give NAQ.
(Sorry for my confusion because I see where some get NAQ from their Alliance to further themselves, so should I have been in the same Alliance with the players I give assistance to? Or just never PM them or coordinate anything via Chat or ingame PMs but just do it spontaneously?)

Jack, I wanted to be Top, I thought I could do both, I am learning I am not that Legendary (not legendary but in my own mind...) HAHAHA
But I am learning.
I was not happy with my finish, I overstretched, way overstretched what I thought I was capable of. Stupidity, does not make it sinister, does it??

I know my place, and I am learning my capabilities, much to the amusement of the Forum readers, I am just not scared to admit my stupidity, or admit when I have no idea of the nuances of the differences between Farming, and Feeding. It is up to you guys to school me, and Epic palm gestures are fun, but not informative... HAHA

Thanks for the info, I'm trying...

[S1eepy]

lol, sorry about that, its hard to write expanisively from my iPhone.

What I don't understand about how you play.. Is why do you feel the need to feed someone, instead of bettering your own account.. I know when I started I was constantly trying to catch the top players, and best them.

You have done nothing againt the rules.. Just againt common sense.. Why help someone without any benefit to youself? Self sacrifise for apeasement is tantamount to self imposed slavary (read a book recently)

[Affirmation]

Why help someone without any benefit to youself? Self sacrifise for apeasement is tantamount to self imposed slavary (read a book recently)

I like that quote... Interesting, not sure if I've ever thought about it the way you put it. I always thought there are two types of people, Givers, and Takers. I try to see myself as a Giver...

You say I receive no benefit from my generousity. In SGW Main, players extort people to have them give them NAQ, else be squashed.
In Quantum, the Top players can come and squash you at any time, that burns my resources as surely as if I flushed them down the can. By entering a symbiotic realtionship, even with a player outside my Alliance, am I not protecting myself from his wrath?? If Hiko had decided to "Sit" on me (ala Kikaz last era, and several players this era did to me) I would have lost way more NAQ then I ever gave.

Is it not way more satisfying to think I had some control in my own fate by helping those who would have attacked me and destoyed my resources, and also to work with them and feel like their accomplishment was in a small part, some of my own?? Where I see benefit, you and the others chastise me for stupid play... Not fair, to each his own benefit.

Perhaps if Hiko had sat upon me, I would have not even finished on the first page... That is how I choose to see the benefit of it. (He was actually PMing me threatening to start Taking my NAQ at the first of the Era... Until we PMd and he realized who I actually was, and in fact, an old ally of his)

On the surface though, It is really queer to see someone be a Giver, and not a Taker in a game that rewards Takers... Does it not?? I ended the Era at Double-Peace with almost the entire first two pages, something I was trying to accomplish. You would not set Peace with me, ever, nor would Jack Oneil, and Hun, and a few others I cant recall off the top of my head. It is extremely interesting to me to see the ones most confused with my style of play, also the ones seriously questioning my motives, AND, correspond to those few who I did not manage a Peaceful setting from.

Correlation, who knows, but I love those nuances of this game, not trying to figure out the nuances when Farming/Feeding is good, bad, or indifferent.

I will take your quote to heart though, the Giver, is basically, a slave to his generousity. For without it, he is nothing, and with it he is perhaps the meek who may inheirit the earth, or just the chump... HAHAHA

[S1eepy]

So it is fear that is keeping you down. You would prefer to give away naq, than to risk the consequenses of a fight?
So if next wave I agree to set you to peace for a fee.. Then I would be gaining from your loss, and you would automatically be at a disadvantage.. Playing that way means, quite simply, you can never become good.. Because you are like a dog at heel, fearing a masters strike.

[Affirmation]

Your train of thought assumes that I thought I was not going to finish strong.

Once again, I really, really assumed I was doing well enough to bleed off some resources and still finish in the Top 5. I have PMs to my officers stating such even in the final eve of the Era. I do not know how to tell you I was certain I could be helpful AND still obtain my goal of a Top 5 finish.

I played as an Asgard, my goal was to end with the number 1 ranked defense. I thought the combination of my Defense Techs, and the Trill plus NAQ I had stored would be enough to do it... Seriously.

Knowing what I know now, I was an imbecile... Not the first time, wont be the last. I think I still finished with a Top 5 or 6 defense, and left quarter Trill NAQ unspent on Top tier defensive weapons (story in another thread). I almost accomplished my goals, there was no fear, I was going to be the number 1 ranked Defense...

I will do so again next Era, I like a defensive strategy, try to be at Peace with most, survive the few remaining, pump everything you got in the end into Defense - Asgard advantage - is there any flaw in that strategy??
(Other than the apparent douche-bag flaw in my logic of giving away any NAQ to help Officers or friends in the game??? HAHAHA)

In Era 16, only you and gwm2 had a higher ranked Defense than me in the end... Yours was expected, but gwm2 came out of no where. I just failed my goal in that Era by 2 ranks, and this Era by about 4 or 5?? Is that a failure? Am I heeled? HAHA In your eyes maybe, not in mine...

(Affirmation confidence brimming... He is eager to do something stupid in Era 18!!!)

[S1eepy]

I don't mean you in paticular.. I mean the concept..

If you are paying a bigger account off.. It automaticaly makes you a lesser account..
Having a lesser account shouldn't happen, because in Q everyone is equal, that's the idea.
You just need to hone your skills to be the best.. (Skills which shouldn't include being fed all the way) I'm not saying feeding/teamwork should stop completely.. It just shouldn't be the "skill" that wins waves..
This wave feeding gave me enough naq for 28 ac.. Which I kept quiet about, and hoped would push my covert to rank 1, and give me a shot at winning. The feeding helped the plan.. But was not the whole plan.
In the past I have aides massing to try and alter the outcome of a wave (sorry HE xD) and that is another way of helping someone.. It's about being able to discern the correct course of action, and having the ability to carry it out. It's not about getting fed to such a state that skill becomes obsolete.

Sorry.. Kida went off on a tangent..

GL next wave.. Dont let anyone dominare you and aim for rank1 overall, not just defence.
Makes things more interesting.

[alucard110]

Everyone has different, albeit, valid points, I agree that feeding, in its purest form is a bad thing for everyone that isn't on the receiving end.

I personally don't have a problem with people within the same alliance farming, banking and leaving amounts of NAQ out for an individual of the same alliance to take and buy another covert/anti covert lvl... having said that I don't like the idea of just boosting one person to glory..

Similar to alliance tax's or "donations" that I have done on SGW Main it was quite good to (when it comes your way) receive X amount of alliance NAQ or in Main's case UU's that had been purchased.

Feeding as I’ve described above is always going to be a viable option for ppl trying to achieve the higher covert lvls.

Am I wrong to think that is a good thing??

I completely agree that Feeding of single accounts all era from inactive accounts needs to stop, for a server that is, as many of you have previously stated, one of equality I don't see how anyone could say that feeding is a "fair" thing. - ( the only thing that "should" change this equality is SKILL) and thats not extortion skills either ppl! lol

If I am putting my foot (or possibly both) in my mouth you all may smite me!

Sorry i couldn't offer any suggestions, but i think jack is on the right track with his suggestions, would be more work for admin but its deffinatly a way to stop the massive feeders - refering to the monitor big NAQ hits to the same person from the same feeder account, don't think the locking of accounts that arent active in the first 7 days is great, its not a bad idea just maybe not the best..

as some else posted (couldn't find it again) if i had to e-mail admin to unlock my account i might not. (who am i kidding i'd do it i love quantum) but there would be ppl out there that wouldn't, or ppl that would and then become fustrated if admin couldn't get back to them straight away, not to mention the influx of additional e-mails that admin would have to sift through.

Anyway, enough from me, hope i didn't step on any toes

Alucard110

[Affirmation]

I don't mean you in paticular.. I mean the concept..

I understand and your concept makes me think hard about the whole situation.

I guess my problem is, I dont see really much difference between the assistance I gave and the assistance you received. Its all about perspective, but it appears from this the general perspective is that what I did was wrong, since I have no backers, and what you did was OK, since you receive the support of the community. I bow to the will of the community, next Era I will bite my tongue and squash the urge I usually have to exploit the weaknesses of the game.

By my calculations, the support I gave was less than 5% of my total earnings this past Era... And since I had 5 more weeks of earnings (by playing the entire wave this time) then I really still played with more resources this Era, and finished lower, than I did in the previous Era.

Since it is hard to remember exact amounts, but only ballpark because at the time it did not seem like one of those IRS type record keeping deals that I would need a receipt for later... HAHA but the support I gave was not nearly as large as the support seems by reading these forums. I just decided to voice my idea of the concept of assistance, to add some support to Hiko in the initial overwhelming insinuations of impropriety. Just because I gave a big voice of support, does not mean I gave him an equivalent amount of support in game! We are not talking Trillions of NAQ here by any means, but my point is that he got help and I was but a small proof of it, but not by any means, contributor number 1 (amazing how a few supportive PMs can make it suddenly obtain a perspective that way though... a by product of standing your ground against the majority).

Jack Oneil hit me for more over the Era farming than the total support I gave to any of my officers, or Hiko combined. How is that support then the overwhelming cause of my failures?

Anyway, if Feeding in that fashion is so wrong and deterimental to me as a player, then ALL feeding should be banned.

Now, the real question is, back to the topic... How do we accomplish that?? Ive thought hard the last few hours, and have nothing... My only fear is that I will play by the socially accepted rules you have laid out to me (thanks...) but now the others reading this will use the same tactics after seeing them put to such success? Next era will I be the one doing the scolding, and making the judgement calls on which feeding is OK, and which is not?

[S1eepy]

*forms the Quantum Police*

*Goes around massing anyone I suspect of being fed*

Problem solved.... (if my impatiality was unquestionable)

[Affirmation]

Now thats an Idea!! HAHA

I promise not to Feed.. errr 'Assist' anyone without also sending a PM to you, and the Quantum Police, to let you know whom to target!! HAHAHA

[alucard110]

This wave feeding gave me enough naq for 28 ac.. Which I kept quiet about, and hoped would push my covert to rank 1, and give me a shot at winning.

*forms the Quantum Police*

*Goes around massing anyone I suspect of being fed*

You'd better mass yourself then lol, kidding, took your quote out of context but its funny (couldn't help myself)

[S1eepy]

I'd be massing my strike on their defence, therefore punishing myself already.. xD

[Neimenljivi]

Yes Affirmation, you're close to figuring the line between the farming and feeding...

Yes, me, S1eepy and bebita are the ones which are trying to get us heard the most. Why? Because we're also amongst the oldest and most experianced players that still play this game and are on forums and have some knowledge about what is good and what is bad for the game because know how it used to be, what is now, and what was better. There're a few other old timers like High Empty, GunZ, HippyFool and Seijuro. There are a few more old timers but they don't visit forums anymore so they can't make them be heard. We're trying to make a game better for all, not just a few players.

See..about 2 years ago we all wished for Old Skool era..We got it..Guess what happened? A LOT of legends returned and played it and I think all (or a big portion of us) that played it agree that it was the best era after game started getting new features...
You may say we're old fashioned and we cannot live in past..Yes it's true..but if it was just the few of us, how come the Origins server was created?

Why I didn't set peace with you? I farm everyone except my friends. If I'd just set everyone who sets me to peace, without me even knowing them, I think my farm field would be pretty depleaded, don't you think? I can only imagine that it's the same for S1eepy (oh and if we were all such bullies and meanies I doubt I'd still have about 30 people I set to peace because I consider them friends and I bet S1eepy set peace with his friends aswell, I know he did with me).

Well I might have farmed more naq from you than the naq you fed Seijuro with. But now let's just think about it the turns I used and turns Seijuro used..I think I don't need to get further and you get what I mean?

Anyway I appologise if there're some unlogical sentences but listening to something and thinking about something completly else and writing it down isn't very easy lol Also I probably missed a few of things you mentioned in the post (or just think they're irrelevant and unimportant) and that's why I didn't reply to those.

~Jack