are we standing on planet earth or....

[Kit-Fox]

You need only look at construction techniques between such structures as say the Great pryamid at giza & the empire state building.

The Empire state building with no one around to look after it wouldnt last for long, niether would most other modern constructs as they arent 'built to last' (at least not in the same way a structure made entirely out of stone with no cavities all around it for pipes/wires etc etc)

It would only take about 150 years for signs that nature was back in charge to appear, then its all down hill from there. then about 300/400 years from the initial event most 'major' cities would be nothing but a pile of rubble as roots/wind/water/snow etc etc will have done their job of weakening everything till our modern buildings just give up and fall down.

You can see it in castles all over the UK and the EU as well as in the ruins of cathedrals and other such ruins which are kept 'maintained' now as best as possible. They all have sections the public isnt allowed near, this is usually in the case of ruins because those sections are unsound due to tree roots/wind damage etc and are at a constant risk of collapsing.

IF you need an even more pressing example of the power of nature and how it can tear down villages/towns/cities etc then please look the costal erosion along the UK in the last 50 years

[Kit-Fox]

IT probably wouldnttake much longer than we have stated SS, and please dont forget that the pryamids would disappear very quickly if humans just suddenly vanished as there would be no one aroudn to dig the sand away from them that keeps threatening to bury them.

The Sphinx for example has had to dug out at least a couple of times in the last 60 odd years becuase the sand threatened to bury it.

Yeah I know its not the same as it falling apart but it would still be gone and you wouldnt know it was there

[Thriller]

IT probably wouldnttake much longer than we have stated SS, and please dont forget that the pryamids would disappear very quickly if humans just suddenly vanished as there would be no one aroudn to dig the sand away from them that keeps threatening to bury them.

The Sphinx for example has had to dug out at least a couple of times in the last 60 odd years becuase the sand threatened to bury it.

Yeah I know its not the same as it falling apart but it would still be gone and you wouldnt know it was there

lol, even without humans, these things wouldn't go anywhere, there are plenty of places in the world where ruins have remained for long periods of time, without human restoration/excavation

Don't worry SS i'm sure someone would find that time capsule you buried in the backyard.

[Thriller]

IT probably wouldnttake much longer than we have stated SS, and please dont forget that the pryamids would disappear very quickly if humans just suddenly vanished as there would be no one aroudn to dig the sand away from them that keeps threatening to bury them.

The Sphinx for example has had to dug out at least a couple of times in the last 60 odd years becuase the sand threatened to bury it.

Yeah I know its not the same as it falling apart but it would still be gone and you wouldnt know it was there

lol, even without humans, these things wouldn't go anywhere, there are plenty of places in the world where ruins have remained for long periods of time, without human restoration/excavation

Don't worry SS i'm sure someone would find that time capsule you buried in the backyard.

who said its buried?

maybe I put it on the roof

(and no comeback to my statement? )

that was my come back,

yes buildings made of weathered stone could keep their shape a couple thousand years, but our concrete masterpieces would be ruble

[[KMA]Avenger]

You need only look at construction techniques between such structures as say the Great pryamid at giza & the empire state building.

The Empire state building with no one around to look after it wouldnt last for long, niether would most other modern constructs as they arent 'built to last' (at least not in the same way a structure made entirely out of stone with no cavities all around it for pipes/wires etc etc)

It would only take about 150 years for signs that nature was back in charge to appear, then its all down hill from there. then about 300/400 years from the initial event most 'major' cities would be nothing but a pile of rubble as roots/wind/water/snow etc etc will have done their job of weakening everything till our modern buildings just give up and fall down.

You can see it in castles all over the UK and the EU as well as in the ruins of cathedrals and other such ruins which are kept 'maintained' now as best as possible. They all have sections the public isnt allowed near, this is usually in the case of ruins because those sections are unsound due to tree roots/wind damage etc and are at a constant risk of collapsing.

IF you need an even more pressing example of the power of nature and how it can tear down villages/towns/cities etc then please look the costal erosion along the UK in the last 50 years

Depends on the area - the Pyramids only have wind erosion to deal with really....whereas something in a temperate zone will have wind, rain, ice/snow/frost, and also importantly vegetation - trees and bushes taking root and undermining infrastructure. Still, I'd imagine it'd be longer than 250-300 years before any sign of civilisation has gone....probably that long before places are no longer habitable, but to remove any and all traces would take a much longer time.....

Or you could just use SS' answer as a short version of mine

Most of all our great structures are made out of concrete, running with pipes that carry water, heat, and gas.

This, is how long it would take before most of all our great infrastructure would be gone. I'm pretty it was 250 to 300 years. Castles and churches made from slow weathering stone would still remain for a few thousand years. And some of our Satellites would remain in space for a few hundred thousand years. But most cities would only really appear as slabs of Grey amongst the green.

What's happens to nuclear facilities when no one is around to watch Them? aswell as the area surrounding?

what happens to the damns when no one i around to repaire them?

but you guys didn't seen to get it, he asked how long it would take for it all to be gone, not some, not most, all....

the would most certainly take millenia, as those chhurches and pyrimids are still around and would also need to be destroyed

i was asking how long it would take for the buildings and creations of the last say 2000 years, to disappear, as opposed to the ancient structures/monuments...

i say it would take about 20,000 years before its all gone...obviously, that's my opinion and guesstimate.


as for the pyramids and the sphinx, geologists have confirmed that the weathering on the sphinx, its enclosure and on a few of the other structures of the Giza plateau were caused by heavy rainfall.
this has been dismissed by the Egyptologist's as nothing more than hairline cracks and fissures in the limestone, but if this was the case, the rocks wouldn't be rounded off at the top of the fissures and rounded off channels cutting into the rock (obviously, egyptologists, know best about rocks!).

the sphinx and its pit are surrounded by these fissures and its something worth investigating (unlike the Egyptologist's who prefer to simply dismiss the evidence).

so when was the last time there was rain in that region?! experts have given a conservative estimate of 7000 years ago, but they say that would be the back end of such weather in the region and there would not have been enough time to have caused that damage.

[Ridd1ck]

Why do modern day Acheologists and such IGNORE blatant evidence and stick to "tradition"? Why do people insist on igoring the obvious and hiding it from the world? I wish someone with enough balls to disprove the idiots would find conclusive proof that we are not nor were ever alone in this universe!

[[KMA]Avenger]

i argue for the existence of aliens intervention in our past and a hidden and suppressed history of mankind but nothing is 100%...unless someone has a time machine i can borrow?

all i am saying is, that there is enough evidence to warrant open debate and for the historians and archeologists to keep an open mind and employ all the sciences to unlock the secrets of the past because at the end of the day, no 1 scientific discipline is capable of doing it alone...

the egyptologists obviously disagree and think there 1 discipline is enough.

[[KMA]Avenger]

done and done...

when can i swing by (so to speak ) and collect it, and when do you want it back by??

i spose tho...being a time machine means i have all the time in the world

[[KMA]Avenger]

not a problem...now when can i have it?

[[KMA]Avenger]

addy please

[shooty08]

you asked a while back for ideas on what the bottomless pit could be.

First thing that comes to mind when thinking about celestial bodies is a black hole or maybe a worm hole... maybe one of the advanced ancestor races was playing with forces they couldn't control and pulled a planet down on themselves

[RepliMagni]

Well....so much for the intelligent debate.....

I know - the Black Death was a nano-virus created by the Goauld who went back in time to erase mankind before we could undermine their mighty empires.....hell, I could probably give more evidence for that, and by more credible sources, than what's been presented so far. I mean, come on, when the article you're quoting is for `paranoia magazine`.....well, you've got to have more evidence than "it could have happened".

Have you guys read Terry Brooks by any chance? You'd probably quite like it - his whole fantasy series are set in a post-apocalyptic world where humans developed differently - men who went underground to escape it became dwarves, men who went into the mountains became trolls, etc. They keep discovering the odd bit of old technology or architecture as the series goes on around it.....its only ever a backdrop to the stories, but it seems right up your alley

[Ridd1ck]

Well....so much for the intelligent debate.....

I know - the Black Death was a nano-virus created by the Goauld who went back in time to erase mankind before we could undermine their mighty empires.....hell, I could probably give more evidence for that, and by more credible sources, than what's been presented so far. I mean, come on, when the article you're quoting is for `paranoia magazine`.....well, you've got to have more evidence than "it could have happened".

Have you guys read Terry Brooks by any chance? You'd probably quite like it - his whole fantasy series are set in a post-apocalyptic world where humans developed differently - men who went underground to escape it became dwarves, men who went into the mountains became trolls, etc. They keep discovering the odd bit of old technology or architecture as the series goes on around it.....its only ever a backdrop to the stories, but it seems right up your alley

Which series? There are several?

[[KMA]Avenger]

Well....so much for the intelligent debate.....

I know - the Black Death was a nano-virus created by the Goauld who went back in time to erase mankind before we could undermine their mighty empires.....hell, I could probably give more evidence for that, and by more credible sources, than what's been presented so far. I mean, come on, when the article you're quoting is for `paranoia magazine`.....well, you've got to have more evidence than "it could have happened".

Have you guys read Terry Brooks by any chance? You'd probably quite like it - his whole fantasy series are set in a post-apocalyptic world where humans developed differently - men who went underground to escape it became dwarves, men who went into the mountains became trolls, etc. They keep discovering the odd bit of old technology or architecture as the series goes on around it.....its only ever a backdrop to the stories, but it seems right up your alley

i dont usually spam or encourage spamming, especially in this part of the forum.
having said that, i thought it was kind of needed in this case

you asked a while back for ideas on what the bottomless pit could be.

First thing that comes to mind when thinking about celestial bodies is a black hole or maybe a worm hole... maybe one of the advanced ancestor races was playing with forces they couldn't control and pulled a planet down on themselves

even my imagination is finding it hard to stretch that far!

[semper]

It's a very interesting theory actually and something I myself with thine vast knowledge have always pondered. I bought the bible last year to have a read of certain sections, and have done some similar cross referencing with mythology and history.

It is certainly something to keep the mind occupied.

Alas though, I have not done much in the way of actual research and logging...so I have little to nothing to add of substance to the 'conversation'.

Now where has my non existence of free will thread gone.. I believe I owe a few people a reply!