Another Feeder...

[FEARLESS]

kk...

[Shadow_Dragon]

Indeed.

Again, I know that the 'rule' is that feeding is ok... god knows why... but I also know that a lot of people dont like it and will mass the people who take part in feeding.

Also there is the question of cross server trades, as you said.

I wouldnt necessarily expect him to be banned, or even warned. He even seemed like an ok guy from our messages, but cheating is cheating, and I intend to see justice done in the form of massings at the very least.

I dont know about everyone else, but I will certainly be paying CyberDemon a visit later.

-.-

So what your saying is that because he was given a donation of naq you want to mass him?

thats just lame. half the top players in Q have ppl doing this on their behalf.. are you going to mass them all? because you would be doing me a favour by doing this, you want some ID's of the players that I know that get fed? lmao

its not illegal so there isnt a great deal we can do about it, if you want to mass the fed then look for the ones that make massive jumps in stats or u/p those are usually the ones being fed by the feeders..

and I was joking about the players ID's

...It creates a magical pony which jumps into your computer and makes all IP bans go away...then, just to make things better, it also gives you your old account back with 50tril naq on it!!! wow yay for the magical pony!!

Please sir can I have a magical pony? lmao

that very amusing Hippy

[Slugworth Assrot]

Firstly, LMAO at the magical pony thing!

Second, Shadow Dragon........ Cyber Demon clearly states he is paying 10 to 1 on main for quantum naq.

Thirdly, I have never fed, and never will, and I managed to achieve a 12th place finish, so dont assume that 'everyone does it' and its impossible to get a 1st page finish without feeding. Some of us play fairly based on sound strategy. Cheating players have an unfair advantage (IE extra naq). They will get no respect from me as they cannot achieve success through their own skill and resourcefulness.

Fourth, I am in no position to mass anybody just yet, but I promise you that I will be in the near future and I will not be merciful.

[Slugworth Assrot]

Edit - sorry for the double post, this was in answer to shadow dragons last post which was about 2 seconds before my last one.

No, it might not be considered legal, but thats a viewpoint I disagree with. To me, it is cheating. It is gaining an unfair advantage by procuring naq that you would not otherwise be able to get.

Some of us play fairly and have to play at a disadvantage because of those of you that feed.

I'm well aware that many people feed, and yes I will be visiting a lot more accounts than just CyberDemons.

Is this defence of feeding an admission of guilt on your own part?


2nd Edit, Shadow Dragon, if you know of more players that feed, then please go ahead and shame them.

[Shadow_Dragon]

im sure we could start with the top ten rankers, there is bound to be a fed player in there somewhere, not that im accusing any one player, but look around you, there are how many registered player, out of which how any play? and then there is he % the feeds, its not so much the fed you should target but the feeders.

Im no fan of feeders but since it isnt illegal then I see no harm in it, so what if cyber gained a few bill its hardly gonna win the era for him and likewise to anyone else that gets fed, it happens here and on main and im sure it will happen on Origins also.

Unless Admin pays for a team of staff to pour over all the logs daily there is no real way to stop or control it.

as for cyber say he pays? that isnt what I read, well yes it is but not the way I took it to mean, and if he has done its a matter for admin to look into and decide if he should be warned or banned...

As for me no I dont have a feeder, I have had players donate me naq in the past though, this makes me no less guilty than the member in TCC that I mentioned... there is way too much accusations and not enough proof! I near got into a war for the same comments, even if it was mearly an observation rather than an accusation, but the fact remains we cant stop it all we can do is watch for the obvious players and deal with them...

As for ID's can I just make it up and give you TCC's ID's lol j/k

p.s. I love the freaky cat

[Slugworth Assrot]

I dont have a problem with alliance mates helping each other out. Like player 1 lending player 2 300bil so he can get a covert level a bit quicker, and then paying it back later.... or a couple people helping one person get a good AC level so they use it on their enemies... honestly it still iritates me a little, because perhaps that player couldnt get the AC level without help....... but I cant stand non-quantum players creating accounts just to farm up naq and give it to someone else. Thats just blatant cheating in my opinion.

Maybe they are family and he wants to help his nephew out on main or whatever, but I am sure there are other ways to do it besides cheating in quantum (save your breath and dont tell me that feeding is legal... I know.)

I dont like the argument that getting 'a few extra bil' is hardly gonna make a difference. I say it does. It makes the difference of a few extra bil. If I can deter feeders by massing them and causing more damage/costs than they have gotten from feeding, then hopefully they will realise its not really much of a benefit. They lose respect, and they become targets.

As for attacking the accounts doing the feeding. I do. As soon as I see these new accounts with tiny armies, I watch them, and if they seem to be acting suspiciously, I wait for the big naq to come out, and try to take it. Theres not much to be achieved by massing them, as they generally just have 1 unit and 1 weapon.

You say that we cant stop feeding, but we can look out for them and deal with them. That is precisely what I have done with this thread.

[Shadow_Dragon]

I dont have a problem with alliance mates helping each other out. Like player 1 lending player 2 300bil so he can get a covert level a bit quicker, and then paying it back later.... or a couple people helping one person get a good AC level so they use it on their enemies... honestly it still iritates me a little, because perhaps that player couldnt get the AC level without help....... but I cant stand non-quantum players creating accounts just to farm up naq and give it to someone else. Thats just blatant cheating in my opinion.

Maybe they are family and he wants to help his nephew out on main or whatever, but I am sure there are other ways to do it besides cheating in quantum (save your breath and dont tell me that feeding is legal... I know.)

I dont like the argument that getting 'a few extra bil' is hardly gonna make a difference. I say it does. It makes the difference of a few extra bil. If I can deter feeders by massing them and causing more damage/costs than they have gotten from feeding, then hopefully they will realise its not really much of a benefit. They lose respect, and they become targets.

As for attacking the accounts doing the feeding. I do. As soon as I see these new accounts with tiny armies, I watch them, and if they seem to be acting suspiciously, I wait for the big naq to come out, and try to take it. Theres not much to be achieved by massing them, as they generally just have 1 unit and 1 weapon.

You say that we cant stop feeding, but we can look out for them and deal with them. That is precisely what I have done with this thread.

Fair comments but what I said it wouldnt win them the era

I also quote that its the players that make the massive jumps that we should target, I agree that players making accounts for the sake of just farming to help another build is wrong and admin should close these down as soon as he comes aware of the situation...

In short im not saying that your wrong to mass fed accounts but there are bigger fish than a player that gains 3 bill to look out for..
I cant say that I agree on picking on players that have brotherly (family) help, as you say there are ways to do it without feeding, lending and so on, I do this in my alliance, simply because my bank is far bigger than theirs

but for now I see no point in continuing this conversation right or wrong it happens and there are other threads talking about the same thing..

I say snipe the feeders just as you have suggested they can feed us rather than the intended ...

[Slugworth Assrot]

Fair comments too, but I'm curious where you got the '3bil' figure from.

I got an entirely different estimate from the man himself, which is higher than what you are saying, and since I was watching the feeding happen, I would suggest it was lower than the real figure.

[S1eepy]

TBH, the backlash on feeders is due to Seijuro.

He got fed to such an extreme last wave, that no-one wants to see a repeat of it. So any evidence of feeding is looked on with anger. Feeding always has, and always will be a part of quantum..
its when the *helping a friend* or *alliance tactic*
becomes *unbelievable advantage* that we need to worry.

But as I said, due to Seijuro last wave, all feeding is being dealt with harshly in an attempt to curb the overall amount.

If some1 notices this guy getting massed for a small bit of feeding, they are going to be less inclined to risk a similar fate.

[Shadow_Dragon]

Fair comments too, but I'm curious where you got the '3bil' figure from.

I got an entirely different estimate from the man himself, which is higher than what you are saying, and since I was watching the feeding happen, I would suggest it was lower than the real figure.

I read that in your first post sorry I dont have the exact numbers, he may be part of my alliance but I dont watch their every move..

I did contact him over this and he said that he would quit Q rather than it affect the alliance. He however didnt deny that he had received naq from his nephew, didnt say how much was involved but looking at his nephews account it couldnt be a great deal. I declined his request, he accepted a gift just like many others have done! In my opinion that isnt a great wrong doing.

TBH, the backlash on feeders is due to Seijuro.

He got fed to such an extreme last wave, that no-one wants to see a repeat of it. So any evidence of feeding is looked on with anger. Feeding always has, and always will be a part of quantum..
its when the *helping a friend* or *alliance tactic*
becomes *unbelievable advantage* that we need to worry.

But as I said, due to Seijuro last wave, all feeding is being dealt with harshly in an attempt to curb the overall amount.

If some1 notices this guy getting massed for a small bit of feeding, they are going to be less inclined to risk a similar fate.

I can understand this with great ease, Seijuro had a great amount of power in the end and yeah we all know that he was fed this naq, I know that I was #1 for weeks then out of the blue he was there... I wasnt best pleased but well I didnt expect to be left in #1 as long as I had been.

To punish all players for one players action doesnt cancel out the problem, think what im saying two wrongs dont make a right..
its players like that, that should be punished not so much as the small players, like I said I help my alliance with my bank size, im not farming to feed them, im working for the better of the alliance,its common practice on main. And besides all that I get the naq back in the end, so is it really feeding to help your alliance? I say no, but then I would lol
anyway back to the topic on hand, yeah it would kinda stop the smaller players from feeding their friends or being fed, but it would also force the players doing this underground and thus far harder to spot.

There are two sides to each coin, pro and con, if we act on them the will stop doing it openly, if we accept that it happens then it will also get worse, I see no easy solution to this.

I say like Slug snipe them and use the naq for the better of your respective alliances, and watch for the accounts that suddenly jump 20-30k u/p or other stats....(had to add that last part as I tend to jump a lot in u/p also lol, may take me a while but I prefer buying in bulk 999)

but as far as I can see this will still not stop this from happening here or on main.

[S1eepy]

no, it wont stop it. but hopefully it will mean others are less inclined to do it. or if they do it, it will be for lower amounts of naq, so they don't get noticed. Only a foolwould get obviously fed so much naq as to surpass everyone else by a great amount, when they know there will be consequences... *cough* fearless *cough*

but for this wave, any feeding is going to be dealt with harshly, as will any real stats Seijuro builds

[Slugworth Assrot]

Agreed, I also have a special place in my logs reserved for Seijuro.

As for Cyber Demon, I'd be happy to let it go if he promises to stop doing it.

[Shadow_Dragon]

Agreed, I also have a special place in my logs reserved for Seijuro.

As for Cyber Demon, I'd be happy to let it go if he promises to stop doing it.

Like I said I didnt accept his resignation, he was going to delete his account over this, I know he wont do it again, but please feel free to pm him over this. I cant afford to be losing good members lol

As for your point Sleepy im forced to agree also, this may slow things down, or it may just make matters worse, but lets just sit back and see what happens...

[S1eepy]

Agreed, I also have a special place in my logs reserved for Seijuro.

well, he just lost 30 gods + 40b worth of weapons, you can have the next load he builds

[Shadow_Dragon]

Agreed, I also have a special place in my logs reserved for Seijuro.

well, he just lost 30 gods + 40b worth of weapons, you can have the next load he builds

LoL so lets turn this into I massed seijuro topic lol

im in no position to help out on this one...

im off to see if any farms are left, im must be getting slow, havent managed a 1 bill hit yet tonight, had a few 900's but I want more :'(