good vs evil, a matter of perspective?

[[KMA]Avenger]

no, i would NEVER try to rationalize stealing in any way, i am simply stating how i see it, but thats not the same as rationalizing or justifying it.

as you rightly state, stealing is stealing.

as for Joe and Joanne's Jobs...if enough Joe's lose their Jobs and the corps go bust, well i see that as a good thing...

a world without corporations...now that's a world i wouldn't mind living in

[bleedingblue]

good and evil is definitely all a matter of point of view and perspective. i understand arguments made for the opposite, but think of it this way:

when a terrorist blows up a business building or bus or what have you, in their eyes and the eyes of their people, they have done no wrong, they have actually done a great deed which will be rewarded by their god. on the opposite side, in the eyes of those who were in the building, their families, their countrymen, etc etc...all view it as an atrocity, as a great evil.

an yes, there is a definite worldly evil (no i do not mean god and the devil, heaven and hell, all that stuff...merely what man has produced as a spawn of ignorance and greed and the implied social boundaries set in place by these...) which does run rampant and overwhelmingly so, but there is no definite worldly good to oppose this evil other than the diluted views and ideals of individuals (e.g. Hitler and co...) who see what they believe is a way to combat that evil, whether or not it is evil at all.

good and evil is simply a creation of man as a way of coping with problems that can't be coped with, if you can understand that. it's a way of dealing with the homicidal bully who cant be stopped, a way to justify walking away from it and doing nothing, if you will: "he just killed my family...oh well, karma/god/the good of the world will make him pay..."

dont get me wrong, i am not ripping on the first 2 of those last 3 things, i am actually a firm believer in karma (i wont get into religious talks, they never end well... ), but not in universal karma, that is to say that when you do something good/bad, the UNIVERSE rewards/punishes you somehow.

[CRASSUS]

a world without corporations...now that's a world i wouldn't mind living in

RAAAAAAAGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEE

[[KMA]Avenger]

i take it you enjoy having your wealth and health destroyed by corporations???

[Brdavs]

Oh, it`s most definatly a construct "bred" into people for easier/possible control. Bread and butter of society in a way. And as such, def. a matter of perspective.
In the end, it`s the perspective of the "winner"/"stronger" that has defined what is good and what is evil to us. Monotheistic zarathustrian ideas won over many others long ago. Etc. etc. etc. Each new/old power structure just uses and adapts these "tools" of popular "cnotrol".

Heck, we`ve been privy to live in an age when a series of countries got branded "axis of evil" for obvious geopolitical reasons and little more. Prity nice insigt into the workings of the matter.

[semper]

Good or evil, it's a matter of whether or not you break the rules society imposed upon us all, whether you agree with those rules or not is entirely irrelevant.

Anyway, didn't we have this debate before?

Is it in the shortest nut shell.

The you have the interesting quires about acts of 'greater good', killing 1million people to save the planet. Is breaking the law, good or bad?

It's all just a bunch of nonsense created from society.

and BTW, sociopaths and Psychopaths are a lot more than what you think Ashu. Only ones with clouded minds would think of them as inherently 'evil'.

[CRASSUS]

i take it you enjoy having your wealth and health destroyed by corporations???

corporations are helping myself and relatives, keep our wealth.

[[KMA]Avenger]

a corporation by its very nature is a psychotic greedy monster/machine, so please explain how they are doing just that....

a split may be in order.

[Mister Sandman]

Just something, since good and evil are vague terms this question, and all answers are relative.


It is a matter of perspective. Full stop.

Just like everything really.


Since ethics is subjective, the ideal of Good and evil are, this leading to the fact that it is a matter of perspective.

However, since the real truth isn't subjective, the ideal of good and evil isn't, thus leading to the fact it isn't a matter of perspective.


Thus, drawing us to a logical paradox.

I will emphasise press my point.


Say if a society believes doing weed isn't hazardous to ones health. Therefore weed is good. Thus, weed is legalised.

However, the fact(truth) is weed does harm ones health. Therefore, weed is 'evil'. Thus, weed is illegal.

[RepliMagni]

And how does one discover what is "real truth" and what is a matter of perspective?

[CRASSUS]

a corporation by its very nature is a psychotic greedy monster/machine, so please explain how they are doing just that....

a split may be in order.

you mean it's a capitalist? how is it psychotic that a corporation wants to make money when it's sole purpose is to make money?

[[KMA]Avenger]

there are small corporations out there that are not excessive profit and greed driven.

if a big corporations "sole purpose" is to make money (your words), then how can there be room for anything else?

[CRASSUS]

there are small corporations out there that are not excessive profit and greed driven.

if a big corporations "sole purpose" is to make money (your words), then how can there be room for anything else?

then they're not good corporations. There isn't room for anything else in a corporation, why would you not want to make money with a business?

[Mister Sandman]

And how does one discover what is "real truth" and what is a matter of perspective?

And that is the right question.

there are small corporations out there that are not excessive profit and greed driven.

if a big corporations "sole purpose" is to make money (your words), then how can there be room for anything else?

then they're not good corporations. There isn't room for anything else in a corporation, why would you not want to make money with a business?

To 'help' people. The 'sole purpose' is not just to make money, but suite your clients/consumers with the items they want.

However, in this capitalist society it is easy to loose site of that main goal. A business should help the community, providing jobs, capital injections, and making a good social outlook on the area.

[[KMA]Avenger]

there are small corporations out there that are not excessive profit and greed driven.

if a big corporations "sole purpose" is to make money (your words), then how can there be room for anything else?

then they're not good corporations. There isn't room for anything else in a corporation, why would you not want to make money with a business?

i never said they shouldn't make money, but the amounts of money these company's make is so excessive and provide very little that is of benefit to either their customers or the community's.