i want this in the open.

[Angnoch]

yeah ive gone through one to many recruiting pamphlets Brdavs thats why I enlisted....

as to the ridiculous posts in here this is way to controversial a topic and calling the military cowards for doing what they are there for *war and safeguarding freedoms* is just downright ridiculous. Whilst you may not agree with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that is fine I have no problems with that, but dishonoring service members by calling them cowards is just pathetic and wrong.

I have absolutely no problems with you guys debating the validity of Iraq War and Afghanistan War just leave the flaming of the proud men and women who protect you maybe not in your opinion right now but throughout history and in the future.

[[KMA]Avenger]

but thats one of the problems with service men/women...i dont want you to give up anything, much less your lives for my safety, my safety was doing just fine before 1991 (gulf war 1) and before the Zionist banking elite dropped the towers and then blamed the muslims, saddam Al-CIAda and Tim Osman...i mean Bin Laden.

you guys are giving up your lives for lies and that ENRAGES me no end

[Ridd1ck]

So it's now the Isrealis fault the Towers were destroyed. Michael Moore claims it's all Bush's fault, now you say Zionist Banking Elite? Both you and Michael Moore are dillusional and out of your minds..... Michael Moore should have ended up feeding crabs for that propaganda crap he called a documentary. It was nothing more than political BS and hype to make Bush look bad. Bush didn't need help making himself look bad. But he was a better choice than EITHER that communist prick John Kerry or the idiotic Al Gore...
But now it was the Zionist Banking Elite that brought down the Towers....
I've heard enough horse manure about this. I am a Soldier, A CAREER SOLDIER and I'm damn proud to fight this War or any other I'm pointed at. I've been doing it for 23 years and will CONTINUE to do it for 11 more years. Next target should be Iran, North Korea, and Somolia to clean out the pirates there. In my opinion of course.
You see if I were President, the WORLD would hate me worse than Bush. I wouldn't tolerate little worthless third world countries thinking they could push the US around. When Iran took those hostages back in the '80s, I would have given them 24 hours to return my people without a scratch on them or at 24 hours - 1 minute and my people still hostage? I would have turned the Iranian sky black with bombers and left nothing larger than the size of a shoebox intact......The same with ANY country dumb enough to attack the US or it's citizens. Unlike that sissy, Billary Clinton who ran with his tail between his legs after that Al Quaeda backed assault killed 19 of our Rangers and Delta Force Operators in Somolia in 1993.

[[KMA]Avenger]

Michael who? *Googles Michael Moore*


ok, i'm with you, 1 i havent seen his films and 2, bush is as guilty as sin were 9/11 is concerned but GWB doesnt have the brains to come up with the idea for 9/11 or execute the event...

9/11 WAS a false flag event, and its not the first time the US has staged attacks against its own...try looking up Pearl Harbour and the USS Liberty.

[Ridd1ck]

Michael who? *Googles Michael Moore*


ok, i'm with you, 1 i havent seen his films and 2, bush is as guilty as sin were 9/11 is concerned but GWB doesnt have the brains to come up with the idea for 9/11 or execute the event...

9/11 WAS a false flag event, and its not the first time the US has staged attacks against its own...try looking up Pearl Harbour and the USS Liberty.

Dude, you are SO out there, to even THINK the US planned Pearl Harbor is totally whacked. It's proven history that the attack was planned and executed by Admiral Yamamoto. The screw up in communications because of the way messages were delivered back then, allowed the Japanese to attack without us being on alert like Washington wanted the bases on Hawaii to be. The US DID cut off the Japanese steel, and oil so without those resources they had no choice BUT to attack. But it was as Yamamoto said, All they did was awake a sleeping giant. Most Americans now don't have the tenacity to stick it out or to fight back like we did back then. Then add the Nay Sayers like you and the radical, liberal, democratic controlled media, and it gets worse.

I'm done with this discussion as you are convinced you are right and I am wrong and neither will change his mind since I see and hear things you will never be allowed to until they are declassified and released in 50 years or so, if ever.

[Rudy Peña]

KMA dont you mean the USS Cole?


I wonder if you know that after the Gulf War that there was a treaty that said the US/UN could at any time could go into Iraq to inspect for any chemical weapons(as Saddam as a history using them I.E. on the Kurds and on Iran). And that Saddam was always BSing and wound'nt let us in to check. So in 1999 the UN gave permission to the US to invade Iraq, but Clinton didnt want to(one of the main reasns was because he was already taking heavy fire from all flanks about the Monica case). But when Bush took office Saddam was still BSing us, so Bush went to the UN and ask permission to invade and we got the go ahead from the UN.


Also did you know that while Saddam was in control of Iraq that whenever someone in Baghdad wanted to get something they had to go get the stuff from places. They had to drive around until they saw a picture of Saddam on it( I.E. if they wanted a car, they had to go to a dealership that had a picture of a car with Saddam in or around the car).

Do you also know how happy the kids get(under the age of 11( I would say)) when they see US Troops around? I went to a church(Christan one) in Iraq and while pulling security there were kids outside playing( It was mostly because we were there I would guess).

[Jack]

KMA dont you mean the USS Cole?

No, he meant the USS Liberty. Though I am surprised he did not mention the RMS Lusitania.

[Rudy Peña]

KMA dont you mean the USS Cole?

No, he meant the USS Liberty. Though I am surprised he did not mention the RMS Lusitania.

Oh, ok, I wasnt aware of the ships name. Thanks for giving me the link.

[[KMA]Avenger]

Dude, you are SO out there, to even THINK the US planned Pearl Harbor is totally whacked.

thats my bad, i should have been more clear with regards to Pearl harbour...
you are indeed correct, it was an ALL Japanese attack from start to finish, however, America knew the attack was coming and did not act...oh i forgot...the carriers were coincidently out of port.


@Rudy Pena:

Google The USS Liberty.

[Rudy Peña]

I link was provided for me, thanks anyways.

[serrin]

...oh i forgot...the carriers were coincidently out of port.


@Rudy Pena:

Google The USS Liberty.

There is nothing coincidental about carriers being out of port.

Carriers are rarely at port.

All carriers AT port would have been coincidental

[Locutus]

first off i would like to say STHU coward and that i am proud to be a former us soldier and unfortunate events wont let me fight for my country and secondly wasnt the US military that saved your countries arse from the germans in ww2 if it was for us u would be a country governed by hitler for years
i am a 4th generation soldier and have proud heritage with in the us military including my alliance name MY COUNTRY HAS TO PROTECT THE WORLD CUZ NO OTHER DAMN COUNTRY WILL DO IT ON THERE OWN OR EVEN WANT TO HELP i have fought over in iraq back in 2003 i know how war is its ugly but doenst give u the right to call americans cowards

i would die for my country before some other person calls me a coward for wearing a uniform and wanting to help the world become a better place but i know with peace there is war and thats what is going on we have to show other countries that we mean business and not cowards like your self
and for anyone who plays this game and served in the US military i am honored to know u and to have served with u for our freedom inn this chaotic world
lifes a **Filtered** deal with it or move on
if u want to call the us military cowards why dont u trade places with a soldier and see what they are doing for the good of a nation that actually could be a decent country in due time

and this was my creed when i was in the infantry and i hold it dearly
I am the Infantry.
I am my country's strength in war,
her deterrent in peace.
I am the heart of the fight-
wherever, whenever.
I carry America's faith and honor
against her enemies.
I am the Queen of Battle.

I am what my country expects me to be-
the best trained soldier in the world.
In the race for victory,
I am swift, determined, and courageous,
armed with a fierce will to win.

Never will I fail my country's trust.
Always I fight on-
through the foe,
to the objective,
to triumph over all.
If necessary, I fight to my death.

By my steadfast courage,
I have won 200 years of freedom.
I yield not-
to weakness,
to hunger,
to cowardice,
to fatigue,
to superior odds,
for I am mentally tough,physically strong,
and morally straight.

I forsake not-
my country,
my mission,
my comrades,
my sacred duty.

I am relentless.
I am always there,
now and forever.

I AM THE INFANTRY!
FOLLOW ME!

[Ridd1ck]

HOORAH!!! Get 'em Boss, head lock, now punch 'em in the ear....LOL

[CRASSUS]

first off i would like to say STHU coward and that i am proud to be a former us soldier and unfortunate events wont let me fight for my country and secondly wasnt the US military that saved your countries arse from the germans in ww2 if it was for us u would be a country governed by hitler for years
i am a 4th generation soldier and have proud heritage with in the us military including my alliance name MY COUNTRY HAS TO PROTECT THE WORLD CUZ NO OTHER DAMN COUNTRY WILL DO IT ON THERE OWN OR EVEN WANT TO HELP i have fought over in iraq back in 2003 i know how war is its ugly but doenst give u the right to call americans cowards

i would die for my country before some other person calls me a coward for wearing a uniform and wanting to help the world become a better place but i know with peace there is war and thats what is going on we have to show other countries that we mean business and not cowards like your self
and for anyone who plays this game and served in the US military i am honored to know u and to have served with u for our freedom inn this chaotic world
lifes a **Filtered** deal with it or move on
if u want to call the us military cowards why dont u trade places with a soldier and see what they are doing for the good of a nation that actually could be a decent country in due time

and this was my creed when i was in the infantry and i hold it dearly
I am the Infantry.
I am my country's strength in war,
her deterrent in peace.
I am the heart of the fight-
wherever, whenever.
I carry America's faith and honor
against her enemies.
I am the Queen of Battle.

I am what my country expects me to be-
the best trained soldier in the world.
In the race for victory,
I am swift, determined, and courageous,
armed with a fierce will to win.

Never will I fail my country's trust.
Always I fight on-
through the foe,
to the objective,
to triumph over all.
If necessary, I fight to my death.

By my steadfast courage,
I have won 200 years of freedom.
I yield not-
to weakness,
to hunger,
to cowardice,
to fatigue,
to superior odds,
for I am mentally tough,physically strong,
and morally straight.

I forsake not-
my country,
my mission,
my comrades,
my sacred duty.

I am relentless.
I am always there,
now and forever.

I AM THE INFANTRY!
FOLLOW ME!

well that was a calm rational response.

[Thriller]

So much for intellingent discussions. You're believing bleeding heart liberals that have never set foot in a islamic dictatorship. I've BEEN there several times. I've SEEN the misory and oppression forced upon the people but the likes of Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, and their radical kind. Where women can't go to school, get a job, or even show their face in public. Where a young teenage girl can be raped in the public square and people gather to watch and even join in? Because she's female and thus not anything but a subhuman and someones property?
So don't call this war unjust EVER. All war can be called wrong and unjust, doesn't mean it actually is. You want to end this? Take out ALL the extremists in the world, whether Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or even Budhist. That will solve a lot of the world problems. Yes the govt of both our countries are getting rich and fat off the sweat and blood I and my feloow soldiers have shed. But to see one of those now free women going about the life she was not allowed before in safety, makes it all worth it.

You bleeding hypocrite.

Under Sadaams Iraq women had more rights than in any US backed theocracy in the middle east and he was trying to stamp out religious extremism fueld by the US against the USSSR. And this "just war for womens rights and against religious extremism" was started by blair and bush after they apparently parlayed with God in their respective offices. lol.

The whole concept of a "Just War" is infact tainted by one sided phlosophy and, namely, chatolic origin. It`s a pretence. A justification so that you can stay on your high horse. And as evidenced by the last decade it is there to be interpreted any way the guy with the nukes wants.
Wanna know the real kick in the teeth? More often than not, people with far "juster" cause get branded terrorists.

That's absolute crap brdavs. I like to know how your messuring the amount of rights for women. Because this is **Filtered**. Iraq will be far better off without king saddam at the controls. His dictatoriships removal has given Iraq the ability to move forward with social progress. Sure there are security lemitations put in place now to stop anarchy and a civil war from breaking out.. after a rule of law and stable government is established these restriction will be lifted.

Th rest of what you wrote is only biased conjecture.. but you know that already.