i want this in the open.

[Mister Sandman]

That's absolute crap brdavs. I like to know how your messuring the amount of rights for women. Because this is **Filtered**. Iraq will be far better off without king saddam at the controls. His dictatoriships removal has given Iraq the ability to move forward with social progress. Sure there are security lemitations put in place now to stop anarchy and a civil war from breaking out.. after a rule of law and stable government is established these restriction will be lifted.

Th rest of what you wrote is only biased conjecture.. but you know that already.

A lot would disagree! Ask the iraqies.

Another thing, noone had the right to invade iraq in the first place.

[Rudy Peña]

That's absolute crap brdavs. I like to know how your messuring the amount of rights for women. Because this is **Filtered**. Iraq will be far better off without king saddam at the controls. His dictatoriships removal has given Iraq the ability to move forward with social progress. Sure there are security lemitations put in place now to stop anarchy and a civil war from breaking out.. after a rule of law and stable government is established these restriction will be lifted.

Th rest of what you wrote is only biased conjecture.. but you know that already.

A lot would disagree! Ask the iraqies.

Another thing, noone had the right to invade iraq in the first place.

The treaty after the first Gulf War.

[Rudy Peña]

Ok

[Mister Sandman]

The treaty after the first Gulf War. Does not give a right! (plus i believe that was in the 1980's)


The fact is that the war on terror, which was the excuse to invade iraq was wrong. There was no WMD's there was no threat, it was only an occupation to secure American control over the world and oil.

[Rudy Peña]

The treaty after the first Gulf War. Does not give a right! (plus i believe that was in the 1980's)


The fact is that the war on terror, which was the excuse to invade iraq was wrong. There was no WMD's there was no threat, it was only an occupation to secure American control over the world and oil.

So the Treaty did'nt give the US and UN the right to go into Iraq to check for chemical weapons and all that high speed stuff? Cause that was one part of the treaty.

So when Saddam kept **Filtered** us(still), Bush went to the UN and asked for permission to invade(in 99 the UN just gave the US permission( I think)).

[Mister Sandman]

So the Treaty did'nt give the US and UN the right to go into Iraq to check for chemical weapons and all that high speed stuff? Cause that was one part of the treaty.

So when Saddam kept **Filtered** us(still), Bush went to the UN and asked for permission to invade(in 99 the UN just gave the US permission( I think)).

Mate there is a difference butween inspecting for chemical weapons, and blowing up the country sky high.

and the US failed to obtain the United Nations' permission to invade Iraq

[Rudy Peña]

So the Treaty did'nt give the US and UN the right to go into Iraq to check for chemical weapons and all that high speed stuff? Cause that was one part of the treaty.

So when Saddam kept **Filtered** us(still), Bush went to the UN and asked for permission to invade(in 99 the UN just gave the US permission( I think)).

Mate there is a difference butween inspecting for chemical weapons, and blowing up the country sky high.

and the US failed to obtain the United Nations' permission to invade Iraq

I know the UN didnt give us permission. All I said was that the US went to the UN to ask permission to invade.

[Mister Sandman]

I know the UN didnt give us permission. All I said was that the US went to the UN to ask permission to invade.

Point being, UN said no to an invasion, US went GTHO and went ahead. This is already at grounds that, Permission wasn't granted, the war was seen to be hokum. Right from the start

[Ridd1ck]

I know the UN didnt give us permission. All I said was that the US went to the UN to ask permission to invade.

Point being, UN said no to an invasion, US went GTHO and went ahead. This is already at grounds that, Permission wasn't granted, the war was seen to be hokum. Right from the start

It's not the War that's "Hokum" it's the UN and all you bleeding heart liberals that want Love not War. I've been in Iraq for the last 14 months and HAVE talked to the Iraqi people face to face. THEY LOVE us being here and tell us they don't want us to go because they are afraid another Hussein will take control and destroy all the freedom and progress that has been made under US leadership and protection. Stop listening to the TOTALLY biased news media and talk to real live soldiers that have been or ARE here. Then you'll get the REAL story not the horse crap the media spoon feeds you.

[Mister Sandman]

It's not the War that's "Hokum" it's the UN and all you bleeding heart liberals that want Love not War. I've been in Iraq for the last 14 months and HAVE talked to the Iraqi people face to face. THEY LOVE us being here and tell us they don't want us to go because they are afraid another Hussein will take control and destroy all the freedom and progress that has been made under US leadership and protection. Stop listening to the TOTALLY biased news media and talk to real live soldiers that have been or ARE here. Then you'll get the REAL story not the horse crap the media spoon feeds you.

A few points,
1. I am not a liberal in that sense,
2. Your data base is highly subjective, and possibly misleading.
3. No, they are not afraid of another Hussein, they are afraid of the other Muslim sect killing them.
4.Yes, Hussein committed crimes against humanity, however, the war wasnt the best option.
5. Most media is pro iraq (from what ive seen)
6. I have friends who are in, or served in Iraq and they say the people were better off without the war happening, a better means of trailing Hussein should of been done so that the Armed Forces didnt have to have, or have as much combat and as large as occupation in invading the country.

7. The point remains of the UN denying permission for the invasion of iraq.

[Rudy Peña]

I know the UN didnt give us permission. All I said was that the US went to the UN to ask permission to invade.

Point being, UN said no to an invasion, US went GTHO and went ahead. This is already at grounds that, Permission wasn't granted, the war was seen to be hokum. Right from the start

It's not the War that's "Hokum" it's the UN and all you bleeding heart liberals that want Love not War. I've been in Iraq for the last 14 months and HAVE talked to the Iraqi people face to face. THEY LOVE us being here and tell us they don't want us to go because they are afraid another Hussein will take control and destroy all the freedom and progress that has been made under US leadership and protection. Stop listening to the TOTALLY biased news media and talk to real live soldiers that have been or ARE here. Then you'll get the REAL story not the horse crap the media spoon feeds you.

Ahem brother Ahem.

[Ridd1ck]

A few points,
1. I am not a liberal in that sense,
2. Your data base is highly subjective, and possibly misleading.
3. No, they are not afraid of another Hussein, they are afraid of the other Muslim sect killing them.
4.Yes, Hussein committed crimes against humanity, however, the war wasnt the best option.
5. Most media is pro iraq (from what ive seen)
6. I have friends who are in, or served in Iraq and they say the people were better off without the war happening, a better means of trailing Hussein should of been done so that the Armed Forces didnt have to have, or have as much combat and as large as occupation in invading the country.

7. The point remains of the UN denying permission for the invasion of iraq.

Well your "friends" must have been some of those wussies that "I only joined for the college money" WIMPS. Not a true soldier that joined in peace time way before the Berlin wall even fell, knowing that college money or not, one day we would have to fight a war. Granted this is not the type of war I envisioned, but people are trying to kill us and control this country like the Iraqi people were slaves. Not going to happen. If there was one thing I could change about this whole thing, it would have been killing Saddam Hussein the FIRST time we were here, and his blood thirsty, sadistic sons.......

As to the UN?
WE ARE THE UN!! They don't move unless WE tell them too. So why should we listen to them on anything?

[Rudy Peña]

Lonewolf, whats that cadence?


A wimp cant sing,
A wimp cant hang.

[Mister Sandman]

Well your "friends" must have been some of those wussies that "I only joined for the college money" WIMPS. Not a true soldier that joined in peace time way before the Berlin wall even fell, knowing that college money or not, one day we would have to fight a war. Granted this is not the type of war I envisioned, but people are trying to kill us and control this country like the Iraqi people were slaves. Not going to happen. If there was one thing I could change about this whole thing, it would have been killing Saddam Hussein the FIRST time we were here, and his blood thirsty, sadistic sons.......

As to the UN?
WE ARE THE UN!! They don't move unless WE tell them too. So why should we listen to them on anything?

My friends are still in the army, to date over 4 years in service. They are not doing it for the money. They are doing it for the passion maintaining peace, and getting to blast anyone who threatens it.

People are only trying to kill you because you are invading onto their land. If you come into my house uninvited, you will surely die or be prosecuted without a limb or two. (and Australia doesn't have guns). It is simple, if you invade someone pride and joy, they will defend it with everything. Thus, you can never fully stop a rebellion.

As to the UN, USA is not the UN.

Ive said and will keep on saying, the UN denied permission for an invasion. Full stop.
Added to this, i dont see the sense in asking permission from the start - If you were going to invade it no matter what UN said, why bother to ask? Maybe to justify it?

Well, the fact is you cant.

[Rudy Peña]

Well your "friends" must have been some of those wussies that "I only joined for the college money" WIMPS. Not a true soldier that joined in peace time way before the Berlin wall even fell, knowing that college money or not, one day we would have to fight a war. Granted this is not the type of war I envisioned, but people are trying to kill us and control this country like the Iraqi people were slaves. Not going to happen. If there was one thing I could change about this whole thing, it would have been killing Saddam Hussein the FIRST time we were here, and his blood thirsty, sadistic sons.......

As to the UN?
WE ARE THE UN!! They don't move unless WE tell them too. So why should we listen to them on anything?

My friends are still in the army, to date over 4 years in service. They are not doing it for the money. They are doing it for the passion maintaining peace, and getting to blast anyone who threatens it.

People are only trying to kill you because you are invading onto their land. If you come into my house uninvited, you will surely die or be prosecuted without a limb or two. (and Australia doesn't have guns). It is simple, if you invade someone pride and joy, they will defend it with everything. Thus, you can never fully stop a rebellion.

As to the UN, USA is not the UN.

Ive said and will keep on saying, the UN denied permission for an invasion. Full stop.
Added to this, i dont see the sense in asking permission from the start - If you were going to invade it no matter what UN said, why bother to ask? Maybe to justify it?

Well, the fact is you cant.

So people from other counties that also have came to Iraq to kill us , is/was here to stop us from invading their own country? Cause as I do recall their were Iranians coming and setting up IEDs and EFPs and supplying the terrorist with weapons to help kill us.