One of worst society system of last century...

[[KMA]Avenger]

@Sandman:

my ego has cost me more money than you will see in 20 years of working (unless you are rich, in which case...never mind), so i have learned the hard way to not be bothered when i feel my ego has been bruised.
it was a bit of a sweeping statement i made concerning my lack of ego, and you are correct, we all have 1, but i have leaned to live without being to concerned how my ego feels. this i feel is vital if anyone is to claim to be seeking truth...

correct? and can you say the same??

back on topic, as far as i am concerned, the only reason we humans developed Govts was to shirk off responsibility. Govts should be abolished and outlawed and we should ALL be educated beyond selfishness and govern ourselves, that's not to say we don't need local councils to maintain infrastructure and public services, but having the likes of Brown, Blair, Bush, Obama (and further back in time), Stalin and Hitler, makes me feel offended that such scum think they are smarter than me or any of you...none of that mob is smarter than me or you, NOT A SINGLE 1!

[Thriller]

perfection and equality

yes the perfection of mediocrity, and self surbviance to the state. where my life is planned out before it even starts.

maybe you should rexamine your jufinile definition of equalitiy. having an equal chance of accomplishing something but having only a few succeed, does not= injustice.

Maybe you should read up more on the communist philosophy and it's application; because it's not all sharing and communal living. There is no redemption or good acheived from being forced to give. The respectful quality in the act of giving is based on the idea of the will being volitional.

PS. there is lots of cults that will fullfill that need for you though sandman

[Mister Sandman]

@Sandman:

my ego has cost me more money than you will see in 20 years of working (unless you are rich, in which case...never mind), so i have learned the hard way to not be bothered when i feel my ego has been bruised.
it was a bit of a sweeping statement i made concerning my lack of ego, and you are correct, we all have 1, but i have leaned to live without being to concerned how my ego feels. this i feel is vital if anyone is to claim to be seeking truth...

correct? and can you say the same??


back on topic, as far as i am concerned, the only reason we humans developed Govts was to shirk off responsibility. Govts should be abolished and outlawed and we should ALL be educated beyond selfishness and govern ourselves, that's not to say we don't need local councils to maintain infrastructure and public services, but having the likes of Brown, Blair, Bush, Obama (and further back in time), Stalin and Hitler, makes me feel offended that such scum think they are smarter than me or any of you...none of that mob is smarter than me or you, NOT A SINGLE 1!

Anarchy .... impossible system

perfection and equality

yes the perfection of mediocrity, and self surbviance to the state. where my life is planned out before it even starts.

Im not pro state...Totalitarianism doesnt work... However, life is already planned out before it even starts....We have a fake perception of free will...

maybe you should rexamine your jufinile definition of equalitiy. having an equal chance of accomplishing something but having only a few succeed, does not= injustice.

We all succeed, and we do not have an equal chance. That is ludicrous. I dont think that the starving boy in africa has the same chance as me in living his life.

Maybe you should read up more on the communist philosophy and it's application; because it's not all sharing and communal living. There is no redemption or good acheived from being forced to give. The respectful quality in the act of giving is based on the idea of the will being volitional.

I repeat myself, there is no communist government. As i see it, in my Christian Communist Discourse, all you need to do is love.

PS. there is lots of cults that will fullfill that need for you though sandman

Not intrested...

[[KMA]Avenger]

@Sandman:

my ego has cost me more money than you will see in 20 years of working (unless you are rich, in which case...never mind), so i have learned the hard way to not be bothered when i feel my ego has been bruised.
it was a bit of a sweeping statement i made concerning my lack of ego, and you are correct, we all have 1, but i have leaned to live without being to concerned how my ego feels. this i feel is vital if anyone is to claim to be seeking truth...

correct? and can you say the same??


back on topic, as far as i am concerned, the only reason we humans developed Govts was to shirk off responsibility. Govts should be abolished and outlawed and we should ALL be educated beyond selfishness and govern ourselves, that's not to say we don't need local councils to maintain infrastructure and public services, but having the likes of Brown, Blair, Bush, Obama (and further back in time), Stalin and Hitler, makes me feel offended that such scum think they are smarter than me or any of you...none of that mob is smarter than me or you, NOT A SINGLE 1!

Anarchy .... impossible system

anarchy as well as mass corruption is what we have now...unless you've had your head buried in the sand for the past few years (pun intended)?!?!

so please explain to me why we would have anarchy if the masses were properly educated, as opposed to the non-education we have presently?

[Mister Sandman]

anarchy as well as mass corruption is what we have now...unless you've had your head buried in the sand for the past few years (pun intended)?!?!

so please explain to me why we would have anarchy if the masses were properly educated, as opposed to the non-education we have presently?

Because you cannot have a perfect system , and yes you implied anarchy, aka self governance. Educated people are corrupt maybe even more corrupt than simple people. A perfect world would be a world without sin. Aka Not possible yet. Therefore we should choose the lesser of the evils... which is communism.

and To your previous question, I can separate my ego from myself.

[[KMA]Avenger]

i said a properly educated people can govern themselves, this is historical fact. we think of ourselves in modern times as civilized people, and yet we have laws upon acts upon statutes...if we were so civilized we would have less laws, acts and statutes and yet there have never been as many in any time in history, even under the Apartheid Regime, Nazis and the communists!!!

now, you have assumed that we are educated, when in fact we are indoctrinated into a way of life to prepare us for when we leave school to take a place in society to be productive and join the masses in the rat race....a properly educated people would have no need for such a valueless, production-less and slave-like mentality. a properly educated people would be far superior in thought to any average Joe/Anne Bloggs of our current "civilized" society.


your ego seems to be in total control of you, so no, i don't believe a word of it, peddle your wares elsewhere to those who don't know you...you will have more success methinks

[Cole]

Communism is unfair too.
It gives same bonuses to people who deserve it and to those who don't deserve it. Took me time to realize that. But in the end it's that.
Social classes conflicts. I laugh at that. People who think economy can work without firm-owners didn't study *proper* economy obviously. And please people, exempt me of all the utopia/legends of communism and self-management. I thought it was possible, then I grew up.

[Kit-Fox]

Communism is unfair too.
It gives same bonuses to people who deserve it and to those who don't deserve it. Took me time to realize that. But in the end it's that.
Social classes conflicts. I laugh at that. People who think economy can work without firm-owners didn't study *proper* economy obviously. And please people, exempt me of all the utopia/legends of communism and self-management. I thought it was possible, then I grew up.

Actually communism as a theory is indeed a great societal model. The implementations of course have never actually put into practice correctly and hence you get the unbalenced and corrupt systems we have seen.

However KMA has a point if we were all educated to pay attention to our own actions and to take full responsibility for tehm (much like the freeman concept) then we would indeed live in a better world. Of course again so far corruption has always got in the way of ideals like this in the current world and for all we know will continue to do so for a long time.

Doesnt mean one should stop hoping that we may eventually make it however.

[Angnoch]

to be fair communism on paper is the best form of government however because of human nature communism will never ever work and Sandman is a perfect example of why he has this incredible ego which I am positive he carries with him wherever he goes which means that he believes he is entitled to certain things because he is "intelligent" "educated" or "civilized" whichever one of his bywords he is going by this week, that in and of itself shows that not all people are equal and even were that starving little boy in Africa living your life whats to say he wouldnt live it better than you because he knows what its like to suffer and face oppression and starvation on a day to day basis so living in a community where people are able to take care of each other would he not appreciate that more than you and thus try harder than you to never lose it. How can you trule understand what people are like if you are not considered one of the masses. No single person is fit to rule because a single person can be corrupted and influenced whereas a group is harder to control but still corruptible, which is why democracy is a terrible form of government but it is the best one tried to date.

I find myself sickened by the very thought of it but for once I agree with Avenger he has a valid point were we all educated and truly civilized we would not need to be governed however my natural feeling on this is that we are not civilized nor will we ever be, human nature is a constant battle whether its fighting yourself or fighting other people no human is perfectly content they always want to be better or have better which drives people to extreme lengths and trying to impose societal bounds upon us is like trying to tame tigers you may think we are tame and think that we are listening but one day your whole world will be rocked by an act considered so atrocious that your mind finally realizes that people are the most dangerous creatures on the planet and therefore have no claim whatsoever to being called civilized

[[KMA]Avenger]

FINALLY, 2 people who understand what i am trying to say!

@Angnoch, you say we will never be so civilized (and i suppose, mature) enough to be able to be self-governing, i disagree. if we were all educated properly and taught to think in such a way where the individual is better off working in a group and that the individual would suffer as a result of thinking only for himself, then it would work.
but at present, this is not possible due to the state of global education/curriculum which indoctrinates the individual rather than teaches them the benefits of working together as a whole.

if we want to be rid of corruption and totalitarian regimes then we have to re-educate the world...and that is not possible until people want it badly enough and can think past their petty materialistic wants and greed for the next buck...hence why i say that banks are THE single most evil institutions on the planet and should shut down and bankers brought to justice for their obvious crimes.

[Cole]

to be fair communism on paper is the best form of government however because of human nature communism will never ever work and Sandman is a perfect example of why he has this incredible ego which I am positive he carries with him wherever he goes which means that he believes he is entitled to certain things because he is "intelligent" "educated" or "civilized" whichever one of his bywords he is going by this week, that in and of itself shows that not all people are equal and even were that starving little boy in Africa living your life whats to say he wouldnt live it better than you because he knows what its like to suffer and face oppression and starvation on a day to day basis so living in a community where people are able to take care of each other would he not appreciate that more than you and thus try harder than you to never lose it. How can you trule understand what people are like if you are not considered one of the masses. No single person is fit to rule because a single person can be corrupted and influenced whereas a group is harder to control but still corruptible, which is why democracy is a terrible form of government but it is the best one tried to date.

I find myself sickened by the very thought of it but for once I agree with Avenger he has a valid point were we all educated and truly civilized we would not need to be governed however my natural feeling on this is that we are not civilized nor will we ever be, human nature is a constant battle whether its fighting yourself or fighting other people no human is perfectly content they always want to be better or have better which drives people to extreme lengths and trying to impose societal bounds upon us is like trying to tame tigers you may think we are tame and think that we are listening but one day your whole world will be rocked by an act considered so atrocious that your mind finally realizes that people are the most dangerous creatures on the planet and therefore have no claim whatsoever to being called civilized

Interesting theory...I think you sumed up and explained everything in your double paragraphs post!

[Angnoch]

Avenger that means people need to be able to move past their own insecurities and petty differences and I highly doubt that is going to happen especially given the selfish nature of most people

[[KMA]Avenger]

but dont you see that we need to change our Govts and take back control of our country's and implement the changes needed for a better society and better world as a whole regardless if we see the type of world society i have tried to describe or not?

[Cole]

but dont you see that we need to change our Govts and take back control of our country's and implement the changes needed for a better society and better world as a whole regardless if we see the type of world society i have tried to describe or not?

"Take back control of our countries"... fight against NWO conspiracy I presume?
"implement the changes needed for a better society and better world as a whole": you think the average Joe could do it? You have too much faith in general population, man. Or perhaps too much into the utopia that world can easily be change? People who think they can change the world are heavily widely lacking to take *everything* into consideration. Not only average people with small/not large education and sense of reality, but also "smart" people are failing there. And will continue in future.

If it was that easy, it would have been tried already, and would have succeded.
Is all I can say about it.

[Angnoch]

I see what you want to do but I just cannot see a more effective form of government than what is currently in place if I could see a viable alternative instead of blank promises then I may indeed be swayed but as it stands while I disagree with the people I agree with the form