weed, good or evil?

[lordernest]

i think mister sandman and all people pissed at this discussion to do this:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9GjOnOn4qA
this songs message is supposed to be whats supposed to be done:)
A suggestion you might say

[Mister Sandman]

That im arrogant? Yes, Because im right.

ok then..... i ask you the following in reference to your statement quoted below:

Let us say, i haven't had a childhood like you. I was bone a man, and thus, a man. Not a boy, not a teenager, a man.

okay so while you were 3 months old, could you make rational life-altering decisions?

At 3 months old, I was a man. I did make rational life-altering decisions... that's a given... ... you didnt think your question out did you? Are you trying to say at that age you didnt?

and while im at it:

Just a few notes, my age on my profile may be misleading. Ive lived my life more than a 40 year old. Im extremely well educated. Age is no boundary to the truth and wisdom of a man. And just because i may be a little younger than you old men, does not belittle the truth I say.

can you tell me what you did when your teenage daughter started dating a guy you know is a bad influence? (change that based on son or daughter, or w/e) can you tell me how you helped your children get through the tough times when their pet died? or maybe their grandparents?

have you had the 'sex talk' with your children?

did you struggle to hold a job while you fed a family of 4 plus a family pet?

1. I Dont have biological children, but ive seen it happen.
2. Death is a natural occurrence, not a sad time, rather joyful.
3. Ive given a sex talk.
4. I have struggled to hold a job to feed my family and study at the same time.


you say you're 17 and that age shouldnt be a factor in life experience. ill tell you what, it is, and does. the hypothetical 40 year old has lived through a lot more than you have, and i dont care how you try to spin it, because your 17 years of 'living life to the full' do not equal the lifetime of said 40 year old.


you also seem to be confusing education with intelligence.

I not saying age shouldn't be a factor in life experience. Im saying it isn't. The hypotehcial 40 year old has lived longer than me and probably lived though more, but experienced more? Maybe not.

You confuse age with wisdom, and experience.

I see it that i won because the others arguments were easily burned.

No you didnt 'burn' the other arguments all you did was provde stupid assertions without any proof and when called upon to justify your statements you threw your toys out of the pram in a hissy fit.

And so the rest of us decided not to bother as continuing this 'debate' with a brainwashed child is a pointless exercise.

EDIT: btw when your mother gave birth to a man, was it painful? were the doctors suprised? You must be a medical miracle the only human ever to be fully grown at birth.

Wow, a thread of insults just for me. Im am honoured. First of all, my evidence is much more relevant and stronger than your evidence, I have actual scientific facts proven and supported by the majority of doctors, all you have is scientific hokum and suspect testimonies which it would be possible for me to bring up 10 negative ones to one of your 'positive' experience. Testimonies are not evidence.

Secondly, All births are painful, and no im not a medical miracle.

pretty much as above. There comes a point where people pass their limit of how much arrogance and stupidity they can take. Ours has come and gone, you've been given up as a lost cause. How nice of you, but still, the ones who give up, loose.

Arguing every point does not a good arguer make. Good debaters pick their battles and know which ones they can win, you do not. Wrong. Sometimes questions are more about getting people to think than about who's right. You choosing to think you're always right blinds you when other people make a point you should consider, and instead you ignore it and present a counterargument that misses the point completely.

You see, I consider it, realise it is wrong, and present the truth, that's all.

@17, sandman is still young and methinks he will someday encounter some bumps (as does everyone in life) on his path through life which will bring him down to ground with a very nasty shock indeed...

unless sandman...you would presume to tell us you have experienced all that life has to offer already?

I do believe I will never stop experience new things, however, I dont believe there will be bumps that will shake me.

[[KMA]Avenger]

well, i dont know about the rest of you guys but i'm gonna tell it like it is...

Sandman, your a **Filtered** prick of gargantuan proportions and i for have had enough of reading your crap and will just ignore you from now on.

i was wrong regarding your over-sized ego and arrogance...you are just plain ignorant and stupid...

enough said!!!

[Kit-Fox]

You know you say you've got doctors on your side but last I recall on the subject of legality was that the cheif medical reserach officers for the US/UK/Canada/France/Germany/Spain/Italy/Switzerland/Sweden/Finland and lots of others have within 2-3 years of each other and all with their own research into the stuff decided to publically declare that cannabis isnt harmful enough to be banned.

So doctors behind you eh?

EDIT: also you werent born a man you were born male, there is a difference in that one must choose to become a man and must do things that others will recognise as the acts of a man.

Also you didnt make any rational choices at 3 months old, no one does because your brain and psyche arent developed enough to understand the concept nevermind carry it out. By continually asserting this statement you are showing the immaturity of your brain & psyche as you are ignoring observed psychological facts & understandings, in fact at 3 months old i'd be suprised if you had much of a concept of 'me' as most dont usually reach a good understanding of the concept till they are around 7/8months of age at least

[semper]

well, i dont know about the rest of you guys but i'm gonna tell it like it is...

Sandman, your a **Filtered** prick of gargantuan proportions and i for have had enough of reading your crap and will just ignore you from now on.

i was wrong regarding your over-sized ego and arrogance...you are just plain ignorant and stupid...

enough said!!!

lmao... ok.. ok.. I think that's quite far enough Avenger.

Don't post in this topic again.. and don't let me catch you going so far with an insult again.. or i'll ban you from the section.

Thriller... make sure you try and behave a bit better too. We ACCEPT peoples opinions HERE. If you cannot handle them... then please don't be so belligerent.

~Semper

[Solus]

At 3 months old, I was a man. I did make rational life-altering decisions... that's a given... ... you didnt think your question out did you? Are you trying to say at that age you didnt?

and in this one section alone, your credibility as an intellectual has plummetted. infact by this, you have just shown the world how much you are in need of help. seriously.

1. I Dont have biological children, but ive seen it happen.

you dont know the joys of fatherhood. this is just one area of many you have no clue about.

2. Death is a natural occurrence, not a sad time, rather joyful.

put down the knife before you hurt yourself. Rejoicing that someone has died? smooth bro, smooth. Do you know the word "grief"?

3. Ive given a sex talk.

I feel sorry for this child you've given the sex talk to. quite seriously here, you not having a child yet giving a child the sex talk is a: not your place, b: like the blind leading the blind (considering your theories so far, youve demonstrated a clear inability to harness your own cognitive function.) Extremely irresponsible of you.

4. I have struggled to hold a job to feed my family and study at the same time.

im not in a position to speak about your circumstances, however you failed to look at this section in context. lets assume that you started working at ooh say, 15? you have been in the workforce for 2 years in that case. and at that, you say youve been studying? so we're looking at 2 years of part time employment, versus decades of expertise acquired by this hypothetical 40 year old. unless you are insane, you cannot justify thinking that your expertise equals that.

I not saying age shouldn't be a factor in life experience. Im saying it isn't. The hypotehcial 40 year old has lived longer than me and probably lived though more, but experienced more? Maybe not.

You confuse age with wisdom, and experience.

that first paragraph in this section just shows entirely how reverse your reasoning is.
"probably lived though more, but experienced more?"
i appreciate your predicament with studying and working to feed your family, but you act as though the average 40 year old hasnt done this?

Wow, a thread of insults just for me. Im am honoured. First of all, my evidence is much more relevant and stronger than your evidence, I have actual scientific facts proven and supported by the majority of doctors, all you have is scientific hokum and suspect testimonies which it would be possible for me to bring up 10 negative ones to one of your 'positive' experience. Testimonies are not evidence.

Secondly, All births are painful, and no im not a medical miracle.

if you have this evidence, post it. show us our errors. all you've done so far, is say "i have evidence", and you have not once made efforts to post this evidence. this is the debate area for a reason, and a debate without proof is much like a soggy peice of bread versus a chainsaw. the argument with no proof (your argument) being the bread, the opposing side of the argument being the chainsaw. if you're not willing to post this proof, then you may aswell stop posting right here and now.

the only exception ive seen of you *trying* to provide proof was your dictionary definition, in which case you conveniently omitted certain details from your analysis, thus your "proof" turned out to be just an opinionated load of manure. ive said it before ill say it again. PROOVE to us what you're saying is right, dont just rely on heresay and that damned arrogance of yours. you arent getting anywhere otherwise.

How nice of you, but still, the ones who give up, loose.

actually he's given up somewhat victorious, you failed to provide a compelling argument and proceeded to make yourself look even more foolish. and not giving up a fight you've already won is kind of like repeatedly stabbing at a corpse for days on end with a rusty knife. we'd rather not resort to your level of idiocy.

Wrong.

You see, I consider it, realise it is wrong, and present the truth, that's all.

See above, again, provide proof that you are right. and of course the intelligent ones avoid battles they cannot win. do you honestly think that a soldier who has a broken weapon and now relies on a knife should risk going up against a battallion of armored troops with perfectly functional firearms? do you *really* think a soldier should be suicidal?

oh wait....

2. Death is a natural occurrence, not a sad time, rather joyful.

yeah, i forgot, you seem to think that death is a joyful time. nevermind the greiving families etc.

I do believe I will never stop experience new things, however, I dont believe there will be bumps that will shake me.

of course you will experience new things as you grow, and of course you will hit a proverbial wall, everybody does. times will get tough, you will be shaken, and there's no avoiding it. the difference between people is their motivation, and of course their perseverence. obviously you have the perseverence part down right, but in the near future, whats to say you wont question yourself or your motivation? who's to say they wont change? you cant exactly say anything here, you seem to have very VERY little understanding of human psychology.

all in all, stop trying to feed us BS, try to give us something convincing, because so far you really have made yourself out to be the resident debate section fool.

~soul

[shooty08]

I'm sad to say once I felt like sandman does. I will say however, as you learn more, you begin to realize how much you have yet to experience, and how stupid you once were.

I hope someone can save him from himself before he pisses off the wrong person. I got to experience the wrath of someone who saw me for what I was. It was not a pleasant experience, but it did change me, I hope for the better so I can learn from others where I am misinformed and misguided.

GL Sandman, I hope you can learn what I learned without it being a painful lesson, though it seems to be more common than not that it is.

[Taure]

IMO, cannabis should be legalised.

People are always going to use it. Legalising it brings the whole industry into the light of day.

It would separate out its connection with drug barons, who use the profit from it to fund far worse operations such as sale of hard drugs, human trafficking, etc.

It would allow the government to regulate it such that certain standards were upheld. At the moment most drugs aren't pure but cut with other, often more harmful, substances.

It would allow the government to tax it, profiting from its use and at the same time lowering consumption by raising price.

Legalising it would allow it to be used in situations where it has medical applications.

Legalising it would free up police resources and judicial time to focus on other, more serious, crime.

Finally, legalising it would lessen the appeal of the drug in the first place. If you look to the Netherlands, where it is legal, it is viewed as rather humdrum. Foreigners love to go there to smoke it, but the Dutch don't consider it anywhere near as big a thrill. It's the same with prostitution: it's fairly rare to find a Dutch person in the red light district.

[Thriller]

well, i dont know about the rest of you guys but i'm gonna tell it like it is...

Sandman, your a **Filtered** prick of gargantuan proportions and i for have had enough of reading your crap and will just ignore you from now on.

i was wrong regarding your over-sized ego and arrogance...you are just plain ignorant and stupid...

enough said!!!

lmao... ok.. ok.. I think that's quite far enough Avenger.

Don't post in this topic again.. and don't let me catch you going so far with an insult again.. or i'll ban you from the section.

Thriller... make sure you try and behave a bit better too. We ACCEPT peoples opinions HERE. If you cannot handle them... then please don't be so belligerent.

~Semper

Okay, but your talking about a guy who is purposefully insulting, justified rape, and the culling of entire population for not going along with his way of thinking.... (i think you said something like that as well once)Do you accept those kinds of opinions?

People are going to have opinions about things that upset others.

I felt what i said was justified, but this isn't my section.

[lordernest]

Ido have to say that Void is right about almost everything he said except
There are rare cases where a young person proved to be very very educated beyond his years, My most favorite examples are;
Alexander The Great,
Mozart,
Napoleon,
Etc...
These are among the rare people who are more educated or well learned than most people beyond even their own age.

[Solus]

Ido have to say that Void is right about almost everything he said except
There are rare cases where a young person proved to be very very educated beyond his years, My most favorite examples are;
Alexander The Great,
Mozart,
Napoleon,
Etc...
These are among the rare people who are more educated or well learned than most people beyond even their own age.

educated, yes, but that education doesnt always equal life experience or wisdom. confusing education with intelligence on similar lines does happen often sadly to say.

thanks for the encouragement though.

~soul

[semper]

well, i dont know about the rest of you guys but i'm gonna tell it like it is...

Sandman, your a **Filtered** prick of gargantuan proportions and i for have had enough of reading your crap and will just ignore you from now on.

i was wrong regarding your over-sized ego and arrogance...you are just plain ignorant and stupid...

enough said!!!

lmao... ok.. ok.. I think that's quite far enough Avenger.

Don't post in this topic again.. and don't let me catch you going so far with an insult again.. or i'll ban you from the section.

Thriller... make sure you try and behave a bit better too. We ACCEPT peoples opinions HERE. If you cannot handle them... then please don't be so belligerent.

~Semper

Okay, but your talking about a guy who is purposefully insulting, justified rape, and the culling of entire population for not going along with his way of thinking.... (i think you said something like that as well once)Do you accept those kinds of opinions?

People are going to have opinions about things that upset others.

I felt what i said was justified, but this isn't my section.

I do.. nihilistic/moral nihilism are accepted philosophical points of view. The sacrifice of the many for the greater good of all. I do agree that in some circumstances mass genocide is needed to right this world.. as the human race has become stagnant and ignorant. It would be the logical outcome. We don't try and change a virus, we exterminate it.

However...I see very few circumstances in which rape con be justified. It's up to you guys discussing with him though, to counter these points without resorting to being unnecessarily aggressive. Extreme points of view are what change the world my friend, you.. as an American.. should be more aware of that in this day and age than most. Look up 'nonchalant'..it is a behaviour.. very important in some discussions.

[Mister Sandman]

Okay, but your talking about a guy who is purposefully insulting, justified rape, and the culling of entire population for not going along with his way of thinking.... (i think you said something like that as well once)Do you accept those kinds of opinions?

People are going to have opinions about things that upset others.

I felt what i said was justified, but this isn't my section.

1. Rape isnt justifed.
2. I never said culling the entire popluation just to get along with my way...
3. I dont purposely insult, you are just insulted by my stance.

IMO, cannabis should be legalised.

People are always going to use it. People are always going to rape, murder and steal.Legalising it brings the whole industry into the light of day.

It would separate out its connection with drug barons, who use the profit from it to fund far worse operations such as sale of hard drugs, human trafficking, etc. And just hook everyone else on pot.

It would allow the government to regulate it such that certain standards were upheld. At the moment most drugs aren't pure but cut with other, often more harmful, substances.Valid point. However, there always is going to some sort of unregulated source.

It would allow the government to tax it, profiting from its use and at the same time lowering consumption by raising price.

Legalising it would allow it to be used in situations where it has medical applications.

Legalising it would free up police resources and judicial time to focus on other, more serious, crime.However, treating the root, (no pun intended) is far better than controlling the symptoms.

I'm sad to say once I felt like sandman does. I will say however, as you learn more, you begin to realize how much you have yet to experience, and how stupid you once were.

I hope someone can save him from himself before he pisses off the wrong person. I got to experience the wrath of someone who saw me for what I was. It was not a pleasant experience, but it did change me, I hope for the better so I can learn from others where I am misinformed and misguided.

GL Sandman, I hope you can learn what I learned without it being a painful lesson, though it seems to be more common than not that it is.

Thanks for your concern however, im sure to be right.

[Taure]

People are always going to rape, murder and steal

Yes, but there isn't any kind of argument that society would benefit from legalising these things, or that legalising them would decrease the appeal of them in the first place.

Half of the appeal of pot to young people (which is usually when people first are introduced to the drug) is the rebellious aspect of it. Take that away and you've lost much of the appeal.

Moreover, pot only harms the individual who smokes it. Rape, murder, and theft are all crimes against other people.

Finally: pot isn't addictive. People may like the effects enough to do it again, but they aren't chemically addicted to the substance like those who smoke tobacco are.

[Kit-Fox]

Ahh I do so enjoy it when Soul's and my posts are ignored. We must have won he gave up after having his arguements burned