i look at the world and all i see is humanity sleepwalking!

[[KMA]Avenger]

i've been on these discussion boards from the start and i've been warning people of what is happening and what is to come but i've been ridiculed and dismissed as a "nut", well, its all coming to a head very soon.

independent reports estimate that the banksters have stolen over $14 Trillion dollars from the American tax payer, thats more than the yearly total American GDP! and that amount is STILL rising i've been trying to find out how much has been stolen from the UK taxpayer but i cant find the exact figure.

these 6 youtube links provide an insight to the American Congress as well as the Federal Reserves attitude or should i say, complete contempt for the American people by refusing to give definitive answers to a very simple question...where's all the money gone?

in the first clip we see the inspector general of the federal reserve's (that's a contradiction in terms?! as if the Fed do any inspecting!) complete ineptitude (or is she doing EXACTLY what she's sposed to do?!?!) before questioning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAv ... annel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAGzLfmV ... annel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyzXRE1_ ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S27yitK3 ... re=related

Ben Bernanke wont tell where the money went!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyl8c91qPbw

Bernie Sanders spanks Geithner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnoI9RsQ ... re=related




independent sources of information that have proven to be FAAAAR more accurate than the mainstream media:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-regul ... tates.html

http://www.infowars.com/bankster-holida ... september/


i've said it before and i'll say it again...the bankers of the WORLD not just in America are ALL in on the act, in plain English, they are partners, they are all acting together to kill the worlds economy and they are the scourge, indeed, they are the enemies of mankind acting on behalf of even more powerful banking dynasties with the soul intention of ruining and collapsing the worlds economy!

problem, reaction, solution, its their oldest and most trusted tactic, they did it in 1913 and in 1933 and they are doing it again today. they create the problem, wait for the peoples knee-jerk reaction, the people scream..."do something, anything, just save us", and then hang the solution in front of us...a 1 world Government and single currency.

we the people are sleepwalking and its about time we woke up and brought these criminal institutions to task for their crimes. the problem we face today is by FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more dangerous than was faced during the great depression for 1 simple reason, more people were self-sufficient back then, not so today and that is a hell of a dangerous situation if the food shelves ever go empty.



i'll leave you with this quote that's proved to be a prophecy and has come true!

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

--Thomas Jefferson

[Juliette]

Humanity is sleepwalking alright..
I don't quite agree with your theories (:P, would I be me if I did ) but I can definitely agree on the sleepwalking.

I think though that to an extent, sleepwalking is what is best for humanity. Suicides and depressions would only become more prevalent if they didn't.

[[KMA]Avenger]

what part of my "theories" don't you agree with?

@no one in particular: what part of "total" control don't people understand???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqHaUadsapc



Jefferson says is best

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
--Thomas Jefferson

[Kit-Fox]

Jefferson says is best

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
--Thomas Jefferson

Is a monumentally stupid quote to use as it has been used as the arguement defending all kinds of madness and actrocities since it was uttered.

The 'tree of liberty' does not need refeshing by blood or violent acts, it simply requires that people use their brains and use them to defend liberty which if done properly is bloodless.

using such an arguement (which is used by all kinds of groups like white power ones and many others in the US) only weakens your point.

[agapooka]

Yay, income tax! Here's what I've got to say about that.

When an official is asked exactly where income tax dollars go, no direct answer is ever given. Using general assumptions and implying potential falsehoods is the closest to an answer that is given.

In Canada, as in many countries, we may assume that income tax pays for roads, hospitals and schools. Roads are paid for by the gas tax, which represents about half of what is paid for gas (or petrol as your Brits call it). Hospitals, at least in Canada, are paid by state-controlled gambling and lottery, and schools are paid for by property and municipal taxes. So where does income tax go?

With a central banking system, the government no longer prints currency. That power is granted only to the central bank of that particular country, which prints the country's currency and lends it to the government at interest. In other words, bank notes are not money; they are debt. They are promisary notes. They are not money.

If we increase the money... err debt supply, essentially, the debt grows. Sound logical? Of course, because just about every country is so far in debt that they could never repay, we may as well call such countries bankrupt. Of course, a creditor does not lend to a heavily indebted entity without collateral. Does that make sense?

To summarise, we agree that:

1. The United States is heavily indebted.
2. The United States borrows money.
3. No creditor would continue lending to the United States unless it had some form of collateral.

The question is now "what collateral does the United States have to ensure that it can keep borrowing money?"

One claim is that the taxable labour of the people is that collateral. With every birth, a potential taxpayer is born and the government is allowed to borrow more money. As the person's taxpaying potential grows, say, through a higher education or by having a higher income, their value as collateral also increases.

Agapooka

[[KMA]Avenger]

@kit-fox:

you've missed the point mate. yes i agree that brains over braun is MUCH better and way smarter than resorting to violence, the problem lies in the fact no one uses there brains any more, as evidenced by all the banker bailouts when their the ones that caused all this mess in the first place.

it doesn't really matter who uses it and what their agenda is for using it, so long as the quote is used in the spirit it was intended to be used. the fact that white supremacists have taken the quote and twisted it to suit their needs just goes to show how little these twisted individuals understand.



good post pooky, the peoples labour is not the only thing that's taxed and used as collateral, the national parks have also been taken as collateral against the debt and now they want ALL the water, even rain water and puddles

this getting beyond sick and i sometimes wonder how much of the thick end of the wedge people will take before they stand up and grow a backbone

[Juliette]

Yay, income tax! Here's what I've got to say about that.

When an official is asked exactly where income tax dollars go, no direct answer is ever given. Using general assumptions and implying potential falsehoods is the closest to an answer that is given.

In Canada, as in many countries, we may assume that income tax pays for roads, hospitals and schools. Roads are paid for by the gas tax, which represents about half of what is paid for gas (or petrol as your Brits call it). Hospitals, at least in Canada, are paid by state-controlled gambling and lottery, and schools are paid for by property and municipal taxes. So where does income tax go?

With a central banking system, the government no longer prints currency. That power is granted only to the central bank of that particular country, which prints the country's currency and lends it to the government at interest. In other words, bank notes are not money; they are debt. They are promisary notes. They are not money.

If we increase the money... err debt supply, essentially, the debt grows. Sound logical? Of course, because just about every country is so far in debt that they could never repay, we may as well call such countries bankrupt. Of course, a creditor does not lend to a heavily indebted entity without collateral. Does that make sense?

To summarise, we agree that:

1. The United States is heavily indebted.
2. The United States borrows money.
3. No creditor would continue lending to the United States unless it had some form of collateral.

The question is now "what collateral does the United States have to ensure that it can keep borrowing money?"

One claim is that the taxable labour of the people is that collateral. With every birth, a potential taxpayer is born and the government is allowed to borrow more money. As the person's taxpaying potential grows, say, through a higher education or by having a higher income, their value as collateral also increases.

Agapooka

Central banks barter lives!?
I mean. I knew that..

That's one clarifying post, Pookems.

[Kit-Fox]

Well no I got the point, and what you wer e trying to say. Just couldnt think of anything to add or couterpoint to it at that point so thought I'd comment about the dubious use of quotage.

however if you really really want me too, here goes;

What exactly would you have us do? with perhaps the exception of prostitution, banking one of the oldest institutions that humans have grown accustomed too.

Not to mention that society as it exists now (ie not in tribal groupings, but living in cities etc) it requires that we have somewhere we can store what we consider to be money. That of course is false as well as things like gold/gems etc only have worth as we all agree they are worth an XYZ amount.

But really what would you have us do? would you rather has us reduced to stone-age societies?

[agapooka]

I would.

I think it'd be bloody awesome.

kthx

[[KMA]Avenger]

Well no I got the point, and what you wer e trying to say. Just couldnt think of anything to add or couterpoint to it at that point so thought I'd comment about the dubious use of quotage.

i see! no problem.

But really what would you have us do? would you rather has us reduced to stone-age societies?

that's the real question here isnt it?! what are you going to do, to start with, do you believe what i say is true?

i wont have you do anything, i've told people what's coming, its up to you to see if what i say about it is true. once you discover that our leaders are traitors to all of humanity and that their leaders want to murder you and yours because they see themselves as intellectual giants and its their divine duty to rule over us, then ask yourself that question again.

the threat is real, dont take my word for it, you can read all about their plans in open UN documents.
but, if you trust that i have done my homework and none of this is some fantasy or sick joke, you can start with what i do...inform others, spread the word, find out what is REALLY going on and what these eugenicist banking-Satan worshipping-murdering-child kidnapping-thieving-scumbag elite have in store for 80 to 90% of the worlds population.

believe me, if i had the know how i would do more than just spread the word...i now consider myself an activist but if i knew how i would be on the front lines instead of just taking part in the lines behind those that are in front.

if you want to know more then PM me and i'll show you were to start looking regarding their plans...

or, peeps can carry on living as they have done, in blissful ignorance for the short time we have left...

personally, i would rather know who it is that killed me and my family.

OH, btw, removing the present banking system,fiat money and government and replacing it with honest money and government WONT collapse society, it will be a new dawn of greater understanding, learning, endeavours and creation...and i do not say that lightly.

[agapooka]

I know it won't collapse society, but I'd still like to go back to the stone age. Thingz was purtier thar.

By the way, spreading the word isn't necessarily the solution. If your claims are true, then we could agree that it's very traumatic information.

In most cases, sharing it will either end in:

1. Refusal to believe,
2. Trauma through belief, or
3. Addiction to information of this nature

Trauma will especially affect those who believe your claims, but see no hope. Hope could be hope to change the situation or hope in serenity in a theoretical reality beyond the situation (e.g. "heaven"). Addiction isn't much better, because you're constantly flooded with new claims, new explanations, many of which aren't logically supported, regardless of whether or not they are true. This encourages the suspension of critical thinking.

Furthermore, you claim that this elite's plan for "80% - 90% of the population" is outlined in non-classified UN documents. If you want to convince people, you might want to show them things like that, instead of internet videos, although some of them may be better than others. Again, it depends a lot on approach in relation to the nature of the claims made.

If I ever share my position on something, I usually like to be able to defend it. First of all, the less I base my argument on "facts", the less I need to prove. Reason goes a long way. If I use facts to support my argument, I'll usually make them fairly straightforward and verifiable to all.

Agapooka

[[KMA]Avenger]

I know it won't collapse society, but I'd still like to go back to the stone age. Thingz was purtier thar.

By the way, spreading the word isn't necessarily the solution. If your claims are true, then we could agree that it's very traumatic information.

In most cases, sharing it will either end in:

1. Refusal to believe, that's usually what happens (see explanation for number 2).
2. Trauma through belief, or because the information is so incredible, its best people see it for themselves rather than have me guide them, do you thin i could believe the info when i first found out about it? it took years of hunting for the truth to finally break my conditioning and brainwashing before i could accept the truth.
3. Addiction to information of this nature yes it can be addictive, but its an addiction to truth. when we learn such info we HAVE to pass it on and open peoples eyes to the total corruption in our society.

this is just 1 of the many UN documents about population control, Kissinger himself has put out more documents on population control than probably even he can remember:
National Security Study Memorandum 200 (NSSM 200) - April 1974
http://www.mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=90207

http://www.infowars.com/eugenics-quotes ... c-maniacs/

“And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.”
- The Project for a New American Century, Rebuilding America’s Defenses, p. 60

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it."
- Jacques Cousteau, 1991 UNESCO courier

Google the Georgia Guidestones, they've put it in stone!

http://www.whale.to/m/sterile.html

Google for "Cancer Virus's in Vaccines".

Google this As well "Maafa".

and this "black eugenics".

and don't forget to Google "Pnac"

please understand that NONE of the above links or films i have posted are meant to be the be all and end all of my arguments, and should NOT be construed as total or partial proof, you should go independently research and verify it for yourselves.

you want more? try watching "Endgame-Blueprint for Global Enslavement". do what i did, watch the film and take notes and then research those key points to see if its true or not.

i agree that spreading the word is NOT the solution, but its a very good start...is it not?

[agapooka]

My main disagreement with you is that it is NOT an addiction to truth. It is an addiction to a mentality, to the overwhelming thought that the world is in a very different state than it may appear to most. It is an addiction to theories about the darker side of reality.

Even assuming that the theories that you believe are completely true, I'd still pity you if you think that the truth stops there. It'd barely begin there. If I bring my epistemological view into this, I'd say that your standards for knowledge, as implied by your usage of the word "truth" are incredibly low, whereas mine are incredibly high.

This is irrelevant of what my subjective self may or may not believe in regards to your claims. You'll notice that I very rarely give my opinion. You should also notice that I never argue against your claims, but rather the manner in which you present them. To be quite blunt, I dislike the manner in which you present them for reasons that I have mentioned before and shall reiterate.

1. You are obviously biased to your own opinions. The shock of such a paradigm shift does, quite often, create very strong beliefs. There are very good examples of this in many religions, actually.

2. Your addiction to this type of information, regardless of how true it is, has torpified your critical faculties to such an extent that you find it much easier to accept information that lacks support, but does not contradict what you already believe.

3. Even if your beliefs are true, they fail to represent greater reality. I'll give you a conspiracy to think about:

Have you thought, for a moment, that the extent to which this information is available and the fear and/or obsession that it creates in those who believe it could possibly help those whom you believe the information concerns? For example, if the information causes fear, that fear can do many things. It can paralyse the mind; effect strong, negative emotions and violence, all leading to irrational behaviour. Essentially, it disables people from opposing them effectively.

In cases where it causes addiction, it forces those affected to focus their time and energy on that, while they are way ahead of you. It's a great strategy. Think about it. They allow information to be released, concerning what they've already done and only now give it the appearance that it is about to be implemented. You run around, trying to stop something from being implemented that has already been implemented. It's pure genius! I wish I had thought of it.

Cheers, mate,

Agapooka

[[KMA]Avenger]

This is irrelevant of what my subjective self may or may not believe in regards to your claims. You'll notice that I very rarely give my opinion. You should also notice that I never argue against your claims, but rather the manner in which you present them. To be quite blunt, I dislike the manner in which you present them for reasons that I have mentioned before and shall reiterate.

ok, how do i respond to this so you can understand?!?! HMMMM....

i understand what your saying but try to understand what i have said on numerous occasions...

unlike those of you who respond to my posts, i am uneducated, everything i know i have taught myself, including reading,writing, critical thinking, history everything!

with that in mind, i cannot match your (or anyone else's who has had education and knows how to structure an argument in proper format so an educated person gets it) wit and eloquence when posting your thoughts...does that make sense?

just because i cannot place my arguments into a format that you would appreciate does not mean they are any less valid, real or true...does it?

in the end it boils down to this...

1, i always say go find out for yourselves because i am the first to admit my shortcomings.

2, don't attack the messenger without validating the message...its a cliché i know, but relevant.

3, i would NEVER post anything along these lines if i thought there was even a small chance i am completely wrong.

4, we do not live in the world we think we do and that's a shock to anyone's system and i understand (maybe not you) how difficult it is for the majority of people to be even open enough to go look for themselves.

5, if there is even a minuscule chance all this is real, doesn't everyone have the duty to go find out and do something...anything?

6, i have absolutely no agenda here other than waking people up so we can all benefit from REAL change and a better world, 1 ruled by love and compassion for one another and if i am wrong then i will be the first to admit it...i have no ego, i have learned the hard way that ego just gets in the way and stops critical and open thought.

7, i'm addicted to truth, regardless of the subject matter. i was always a student of history and loved learning once i discovered just how little i know because of my lack of education.

8, hope this helps you to understand where i'm coming from and why i post the way i do

[agapooka]

Format and method are two very different things. I have never mentioned your format and, as far as I know, education has offered me little in the scope of critical thinking and logical reasoning. I have found that conventional education has actually repeatedly attempt to crush critical faculties.

I am referring to your method of inquiry and what you call "truth" and your standards for calling something "truth". You say that you would not post something if you had any doubt about its complete validity, yet you never offer evidence that is beyond a shadow of such a doubt. Maybe formatting *would* help you do that, but there is a certain degree to which intuition plays a role in discerning the level of support that an idea has. Defining it in words might be problematic; however, from your words, I also sense a lack of that intuition.

I am also referring to the style of the arguments and whereupon they rest. Your arguments mostly rest upon the claims of others. You make claims based on other claims and then, in admitting that you cannot support them, save to the extent that you've managed to convince yourself of them, you transfer the burden of proof to others to tell them that they ought to investigate.

Now, I've already made a few points as to why I don't think it's a dire necessity for most people to know these things if they are true, unless they are in the proper state of mind. The ideal awareness of the architecture of the world around us, especially if your claims prove true, ought to be a passive one.

Who in their right mind would pursue darkness? Being aware of it is arguably a useful burden, but it is nothing after which one ought to thirst. It is dirty water. Know it's there, but stop drinking it.

Think of it this way: if this picture of reality is all there is to reality, then what's the point of even being aware of it? If there is no alternative, then ignorance really is a bliss.

If there is an alternative, wouldn't it be more productive to use positive thinking and concentrate on an alternative? The subconscious mind gives you what you think about, but it doesn't know the word "not". If you don't want something, it'll interpret it as you wanting that thing and it'll do its best to get you there, adapting your filters of perception accordingly.

Regarding history and in keeping with your tradition of posting quotes at the end of long posts, I shall quote Ambrose Bierce's The Devil's Dictionary.

PREHISTORIC, adj. Belonging to an early period and a museum. Antedating the art and practice of perpetuating falsehood.

Aagpooka