Reworking the old proposal: getting empire systems ingame

[BenjaminMS]

The oldtimers among us will recognise this one for sure: the proposal to add the ability to link several alliances as one single empire, to make declaring war etc easier. I'll include here a few of the old ideas, but also a few of my own:

Old ideas:
- Give alliance leaders the option to create an 'empire', where multiple alliances can be added into
- Allow the empire as a whole to declare war, instead of needing to have each alliance on its own to declare war (spamming up the war declarations)
- Allow an unified HC ingame, so there's an empire leader and an empire 2IC

New ideas:
- Allow the unified command to see the alliance logs of all empire members. In the way that they can see each log per alliance, so like a regular member could. But the unified command can see all the logs.
- Allow the alliance banks of all the alliances be putted together if all the alliance leaders and theirs 2ICs vote positive for it. That way the advantage of the bank would be empire-wide
- Allow to switch members easier between alliances (so for example, in case a member of DoO would apply for DDE membership and it would get accepted, that the DoO leader would put up an ingame check for movement in the empire for said member and that the DDE-leader or 2IC would need to accept it).
- Empires should consist of minimal 3 alliances

How do you like the added ideas? Perhaps I'll add more later on.
-Ben

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[Juliette]

Looks like an excellent plan!!

[Lore]

All this is being looked at in the alliance update for main, along with using the alliance bank.

The oldtimers among us will recognise this one for sure: the proposal to add the ability to link several alliances as one single empire, to make declaring war etc easier. I'll include here a few of the old ideas, but also a few of my own:

Old ideas:
- Give alliance leaders the option to create an 'empire', where multiple alliances can be added into
- Allow the empire as a whole to declare war, instead of needing to have each alliance on its own to declare war (spamming up the war declarations)
- Allow an unified HC ingame, so there's an empire leader and an empire 2IC

New ideas:
- Allow the unified command to see the alliance logs of all empire members. In the way that they can see each log per alliance, so like a regular member could. But the unified command can see all the logs.
- Allow the alliance banks of all the alliances be putted together if all the alliance leaders and theirs 2ICs vote positive for it. That way the advantage of the bank would be empire-wideI think this one is a bad idea. 2 massive aliances can funnel resources into a new alliance , but lets see how it all works first and see what admin says
- Allow to switch members easier between alliances (so for example, in case a member of DoO would apply for DDE membership and it would get accepted, that the DoO leader would put up an ingame check for movement in the empire for said member and that the DDE-leader or 2IC would need to accept it).Fully agree and reason being that "length of servise" or "alliance loyalty", or even "join date" should not be lost for swapping between dranches of the same alliance.
- Empires should consist of minimal 3 alliances

How do you like the added ideas? Perhaps I'll add more later on.
-Ben

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[BenjaminMS]

Lore, any news from admin about the coming updates...? And if some of my ideas fit(ted) in?

[Lore]

Lore, any news from admin about the coming updates...? And if some of my ideas fit(ted) in?

He said the MGM updates put him behind but alliance bank update is suposse to be next

[Caprila]

You know, funnily enough, my first thought here was,. . OMG he's starting his campaign on forum

It does show you though, what a little persistanec will give you in the long run.

As to the specifics :


Considering the lag on alliance logs, the idea of empire wide logs fills me with terror

Like Lore, I think allowing access by other alliances to your alliance bank, empire or not, is too exploitable.


I do like the idea of sending empire wide pm's, continued join length and allowing ingame structure though. Makes it a lot easier to see which alliances, are part of which grouping.

[Kroony]

why don't these alliance conglomerates just form one alliance?

if empires are introduced in 6 months will people be demanding another stage above empire where several empires can join as one?

[EdwardThatch]

why don't these alliance conglomerates just form one alliance?

if empires are introduced in 6 months will people be demanding another stage above empire where several empires can join as one?

There's a limit to how many members can be in an alliance, and it makes it easier for their enemies to farm them if they're in one alliance.

[Kroony]

A pop cap ehh. I was not aware. Anyone know the reasoning behind that?

[Nephite]

A pop cap ehh. I was not aware. Anyone know the reasoning behind that?

My guess would be because of the Crystal Force Alliances way back in the day. They had on average per alliance 120 ish people? And had atleast 3 but I think it was more like 4-5 seperate alliances. Dunno if that's before your time or not. Haha.

[Lore]

Well also alliances tend to set their numbers. A 5 to 7 man HC can run an alliance of 40 people and be in contact and know the goings on of EVERY member, but an alliance of 120? would be hard to do.

Not to mention, you have "clicks" in every alliance. Often different alliances in an empire can represent either the like minds/play styles, or maybe even the like play times/commitment levels. Different branches carry out different functions yet still work as a whole.

[Sarevok]

Regarding the log lag Caprila, how about just making each alliance log accessible to the Empire Leader and 2IC, and maybe the alliances leaders, but not the members. Basically, don't make a new log, just allow the current ones to be accessible (unless I'm misreading, and you mean the time to load the log from the database, in which case, ignore this post)