Mister Sandman wrote:Kit-Fox wrote:This kind of discussion has involved Sandman before, hence I would think his reluctance to post again, especially as all of his reason are based upon biased and incomplete evidence and theories. There are many credible studies that show, without a doubt that marijuana is health, economic and social risks directly and indirectly associated with it.
For example in this thread alone Sanman mentions that it should be illegal for the 'obvious moral reasons'. Moral in this case is what Sandman himself decides is moral and of course as he alone is chosen by god to be the most holy upon this earth he must be right.It isnt just that.
As for health reasons, well again Sandman has overlooked that the plant from which cannabis is derived is Hemp which was used and in some countries you'll find still is used to created bandages (for all sorts of uses including cold compresses, which would release some of the active THC {albeit in small, tiny amounts}) and that the oli created from hemp was and is used to clean wounds. I have of course just mentioned those uses that I can verify are still in use today. Of course smoking cannabis releases THC into the bloodstream which is a relaxant, your blood vessels expand in size and your muscles relax while you are under its influence. All of which can be very helpful for a wide variety of conditions which once again Sandman has overlooked.
However that is widely irrelevant. Note your bold areas, you state "the plant from which cannabis is derived is Hemp". This is not in dispute. They arent technically the same thing. Thus, your argument, is irrelevant.
Go Here To look at the differences butween, marijuana and hemp.
And we have before gone round & round the well established fact that the effects drugs have on society is widely because of poor education and drugs been pushed onto those who cant afford them or shouldnt use them in the first place.
Folks what he says here is " If your rich, you can use whatever drug you want because well your rich and have a high education and can afford it so... enjoy..." (Lawyers would love you)
A comprehensive education (for all ages) about drugs would have to take place first before the effects on society can be minimised. However the people to blame for this arent the drug users but the people who drove it so far underground in the first place, ie el gov.
If a government places the law to make murder illegal , and someone murders, due to 'poor education' who is at fault? the murder or the government who placed the law?
If you drink and drive. And you get caught. Who is at fault?
The person who made the law or you? same principle applies here. Education does not = wisdom or any sense of logic. Age does not = Wisdom or any sense of logic.
God I hate people who answer inside of quotes but here goes replying to your rather bad points.
- Credible studies, would these be the credible studies carried out by government departments, quangos & think tanks who want gov money. These people come up with a conclusion first and then do the research to fit their conclusion.
Studies carried out by relatively more 'independant' bodies indicate that such effects social/economic effects comes down again to education. As for moral effects, well lets not go there you know full well the whole forum isnt gonna agree with you there.
- Cannabis & Hemp contain the same active ingredient which is THC. Besides the plants are the same, traditionally Hemp is allowed to grow whereas as cannabis has its growth stunted so its easy to hide.
- I'm not saying you can use any drugs you like if your rich or if your rich you can ignore the laws, but these days drugs are pushed onto those in society who are already into debt or who dont have the disposable income to be able to afford them (requiring loans or other sources of income to feed the habit)
It remains a fact that drugs are expensive and if you want to use them then you need to be able to afford them.
- Governments have withheld information about drugs from the general prublic and relied instead upon misinformation and lies. Such isnt the same when it comes to educationg the public about laws concerning murder or driving laws.
As such your comparisons are highly invalid and pointless, the blame lies entirely with the government for withholding such information.
And i'll leave you with one last thought, those who do recieve educations in drugs, such as doctors & pharmacologists are the ones who use both legal & illegal drugs the most. Its interesting that they also have the disposable income to use such drugs & yet such people make up less than 1% of all drug prosecutions. Oh and I forgot, it appears they had no problem learning how to become doctors, surgeons etc etc.
