asgard vs. ancients tech

[Tekin]

The Asgard are more technically advanced in some areas, shields, and such, but the Ancients had the DNA manipulator, and so if they were around could fix the cloning issu

[Man of God]

yeah. we know that the 4 great races consisted of ancients, asgard, nox, and furlings. we have seen the ancients, the asgard and a little of the nox.......but what about the furlings. they have got to reveal what the furlings were like. its killin me.

[Tekin]

The Furlings are Santa Claus and the Elves!

[Man of God]

o really......hmmmm. no wonder he flies. his reindeer are obviously very advanced power modules. designed to pull his sleigh. explains how he gets around so fast.

[Pakarinen]

no, thier magical... who needs power modules and gate dialers when your nox and can go super fast, turn invisible, and make the gate automaticly acces ur destination without any crapy DHD devices.

Furlings proly got alll sortsahv cool tricks, like playing dead, and shifting fazes, and perhaps they can even enter other parrallel universes at a thought, perhaps thats why they disapeared, they all had a bad nightmare on the same night and got seperated in different dimensions...

[Osi]

I think that the alliance was ment to keep the ori at bay and that maybe teh furlings were the first to fall and after the ancients left the nox and asgard broke ties

[Pakarinen]

nahh.. surely the asgard high council would have mentioned THAT to the tauri, i mean after they droped plutonioum or something into a star by breaking the codeing in the stargate dialing system.... not to mention all the other cautastrophes seem to be caused by the tauri... leaving out of talk a interdimensional threat seems... an odd quark on thier part if they had known... but who knows, nice concept of the reason for that though... but i think it was more... Meaning of life buesiness more or less... joke.

[Man of God]

back to the topic at hand. the ancients tech, is way better.

[General Midget Man]

What do you mean the ancients didnt have good shields are you forgetting the massive shield on atlantis... one that covers an entire city, one that kept the ocean at bay for 10,000 years after a massive siege with the Wraith, And the puddle jumpers have cloking devices **spoiler ahead**
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Which can also be used as shields, just as the atlantis shield can be used as a cloke. have to watch newest eps of atlantis to see that.

[Osi]

I know that obviously the ancient superweapon is later on in that season I mean that the asgard shields can hold out against the ancient super gun for a good period of time and it can take a beating from the hive ships i mean 10 2 one plus cruiser support a hatak would blow up but even on http://www.stargate-tech.net it says a few oniel class ships could "cleanse" pegasus if the asgard wanted to

Thats what is written in the section on the Deadalus
In short, God help the Wraith if the Asgard send a small group of O'Neill class warships to "sanitize" the Pegasus Galaxy. It raises questions about the Ancients ability to loose the war to the Wraith. Either they had so few warships that the 'great battle' Old Weird talked about in "Before I Sleep" was the only battle with their warships (and they simply got swamped by superior numbers), or, current Asgard military technology is superior to the Ancients best efforts. Which is a quite possible side effect of having to continually advance to hold off the Legobugs...

[Lord Dougy]

i think there was a huge battle and that there were thousands of Wraith hive ships and such, and that most of them were destroyed by the ancient fleet. And as they were defeated there was no reason to build more of them.....
And think about it, there were probably way more ppl in the huge war, so more human = more wraith can feed so bigger numbers.
ancients had better weapons and shields than the asgard.

and the ancient superweapon, well it was malfunctioning and it destroyed hive ships coz they have no shields and we have no idea if that super weapon could take down ancient shields.

[TheSoulHarvester]

Asgaard have focused on Attack/Defense and their capabilities in other areas are not as great as those of the Ancients.


Ancients were advanced in ALL areas( their shields were great, but consider this. they also had better powersources... given that Asgaard gain an equivalent, Ancients would be no match remember, Anceints were explorers and scientists...). Asgaard are also fewer in numbers which means fewer scientists to research stuff.


But in war, the Asgaard would probably win... I agree with the topic starter. Asgaard are concentrated on warring tech for long time! Ancients were explorers and scientists. Their ships couldnt even Handle Wraith. only with 3 ZPMs was Atlantis's shield powerful enough to withstand the bombardment.

Asgaard sfleet would easily wipe the Wraith from existence given the chance to once again build up their fleet and civilization.

but then again, we wouldnt have Atlantis

[Pakarinen]

errrhhh.... asgard sciences are backed and prehaps even in areas entirely based off of Ancient knowledge, Ancients could have made horrible weapons had they bothered to think of usieng technology in such a way, unfourtanetly for them, as we know, they sent all thier O'neill (proly surpased the O'neill tech wise, perhaps not in hull, but tech shields/power/weapons) equivelent class ships to the conference with the wraith to try to find a peaceful way...

unfourtanetly for them, while they have had between 35 and 180 of their Oneil equievalent class ships... proluy 45-80 in realistic terms to thier population... basicly the mainstay of all their warriers, thier best generals and tacticians, the admiralities and who knows how much of thier war folk, nearly the top of the top of all of them and others as well died thier. along with all thier Battle ships, leaving only suppport vessels and cruisers an a few outdated thigns an gunships that were floating along in other areas.

of course if they really did think in destructive terms, which they dont, they could used a few zpms to wipe out the conference, of course they didnt plan on betraying the wraith so it didnt occur, just thier fleet of the top of the top to help them escape should betrayel occur.

now... thiers about 60 hive ships (carrier fleets) in thier sector of pegasus, u know, around atlantis, but that leaves all the other sectors of pegasus, not to mention their may hav been hundreds more originally, so proly around 1500 to 1800 total hiveships (carrier fleets ) that jumped the atlantean fleet...if they took them out one or two at a time with them surrounded, they may hav took a few with thier sheilds not at full power, perhaps it takes awhile for shiellds to charge up if thier ubber poewrful normly. i mean, if enough ships jump a fleet it wil be destroyed, if thier weapons anyware near proper compared to shields...

thier were probly nearly 1500 cruisers and support vesels destoryerd with like 245, to 800 of those vessels being carriers destroyed.

a heavy cost really for 35-80 battleships

reminiscent of pearl harbor to me.... except the ancients actually pulled out a decent number of vessels destroyed...

[Osi]

um your wrong about there being 60 in the atlantis sector there are 21 hive ships in teh atlantis sector and at lest 60 in the entire galaxy so the idea that the asgard couldn't wipe them out or the goa'uld for that matter is absurd ball alone had about 75 ships in his super fleet and the replicators had at least a hundred hataks now if anubis had sent his supership all by itsself it would have kicked the wraiths blue asses back to hell there not that powerful there just at an advantage we have 1 ship 1zpm and about 100 men so obviously its hard to take them on. Now the Ancients sent a peace delagation there war ships had already been massed and wiped out about 3 warships joined the transports they were blasted by the entire wraith fleet the wraith most likely had there entire fleet there 70 or 80 ships against 3 so the ancient would have lost. Now The asgard could sent maybe 12 oniell ships and attack each cruiser fleet and blow them apart there not as bad as they look its just the ancients were down on there luck and to worried about saving humanity from another ori plauge that they didn't realize what they had created and were overpowered before they could use there final weapon "trinity wep"

[Lord Dougy]

i still hold the belief that asgard tech is ancient tech riped off, Wraith tech is the same as it was 10K yrs ago, asgard tech has become more advanced.
Ancient fleet was wiped out by superior numbers but most likely took down a hell of a lot of wraith with them. And the asgard couldn't take out the wraith coz they probably would have been massed like crazy, remember the wraith keep there numbers low on purpose as too share the food, who knows how fast they breed.