firearms debate.

[Rocky]

i just don't see how you are any safer carrying a gun, there is no safety in that whatsoever

[[KMA]Avenger]

ah, you misunderstand, i'm not saying we should have the right to protect ourselves with guns, what i'm saying is, we should the right to keep guns.

[Valume]

yes, like in my case they are heirlooms passed on to each generation to use.
Or maybe you and a few or you guy freinds want to go out shotting (seeing who have a better shot)

i think they also make great for decoration, if its illegal for you to own a fire arm than is it illegal for you to have lets say a old gun on a plaque that been disabled?

[senjii]

Here is the thing guns are dangerous yes, but the thing is[u] guns do not kill people People have been killed by others long before the invention of the firearm, and will likely go on killing long after something else comes along. There was a time when I slept with a pistol in my night stand a sword in a stand on top of my TV Did I feel safer? Well yes, but that didn't stop me from having an alarm on my house either. I guess that the point I am trying to make is I never abused my right to bear arms there are always going to be people that will abuse things

[agapooka]

:P

Moi take: Guns have absolutely nothing to do with it, realy. Yup, really.

Take all guns, nukes, cannons, and all other modern weapons, and remove them from the face of the earth--and what do you get? Swords, knives, and all the other old school weapons. Take them, and you go back to sticks and rocks.

All comes down to the violent nature of the people themselves. The gun is just an extention of the owners will.

*points to Ghandi*



~Z~ -- /me crawls back to the temple

Well, even if that's the case, I would only advocate removing firearms if they were completely removed from the face of the earth. In which base my longbow and swords will prove to be great assets.

[Ridd1ck]

To defend your home you dont need a gun or even a knife, what you need is common sense & intelligence along with a somewhat halfway fit body.

If you had all that a simple 1ft length of wood would suffice and be just as deadly as a bullet through the head (and you'd likely miss trying to do that even at point blank if your target was missing, theres a reason marksmen aim for the central torso)

You obviously are from England or a democrat. And obviously have never been around a really bad neighborhood where the robbers are ALL armed when they come in your house. Well as a soldier and a former Police Officer, I have WORKED those cases and 99.9% of the time the "able bodied man with a bat" was blown away by the robber. The cases where the homeowner was armed, mostly the robber was the one killed.
I have owned anything from an actual M-4 carbine to a Remington 700 Sendero chambered in .300 Winchester Magnum. (a 1000 meter weapon easy). I see no problem in owning "exotic weapons" if they are used and stored responsibly. The problem I see happens to be in the legal system. It's a proven fact that over 90% of the crimes committed with a weapon is done by a repeat offender that should never have gotten out of prison.
A street punk that will sell crack to an 8 year old kid in school doesn't give a damn for yours or anyone elses gun laws. He'll carry a gun and dare you to do anything about it. I say fix the legal system, give the death penality to idiots like the affore mentioned street punk, take the weight rooms, internet, and phones out of prisons. Make them go back to doing hard time with minimum ammenities, (enough AC and heat to keep them from dying of heatstroke in summer or freezing to death in winter), a single 8x8 cell with a cot and a toilet, and 3 meals a day. NOTHING ELSE!! No free college, NOTHING!!

[Poppler King]

I imagine a decent paintball gun with the velocity cranked would suffice

A guy I used to hang out with a bit managed to get his paintball gun to shoot marbles, not as powerful as a gun but it would be easy to kill someone with one of those.

I personally prefer that guns are illegal in Ireland and the fact that our general police force don't carry guns either is strangely reassuring to me as its keeping gun crime as a major offence. Now don't get me wrong there still is gun crime here and i'm sure its alot different in America but it seems to be kept within the gangs here, I don't want guns to become readily available in Ireland because there is already quite a few shootings in my area and yet i still feel safe walking around my area at any time of the day or night, I think i'm just wary of a similar gun culture to America developing (By that i mean i don't want guns to become common for street crime) At the moment most ordinary robbery's (Whether its being robbed on the street or someone breaking into your house) are done with a knife or even a threat of a knife. It may seem odd but i'd prefer to be robbed by someone with a knife as it takes much more to stab someone than it does to pull a trigger.
But then again i've never even held a gun that wasn't decommissioned so for all i know they could be the most fun the world.

[cloak]

I imagine a decent paintball gun with the velocity cranked would suffice

A guy I used to hang out with a bit managed to get his paintball gun to shoot marbles, not as powerful as a gun but it would be easy to kill someone with one of those.

Sorry to semi deviate from topic on this but its thanks to people like this that those of us that actually play the sport and enjoy the sport are getting our lives made harder. Its a Paintball MARKER not a GUN but please, give governments all over the world more reason to instate laws that prohibit us from removing our markers from designated arena's and fields and from allowing us to service our own gear even though we have superior knowledge on the marker we have worked on 100's of times.

England: Nobody under the age of 18 may legally own a paintball marker
Australia: Markers MAY NOT leave the arena/field unless collected by a certefied gas technician/gunsmith

Its thanks to you nubs that run around with your velocities amped up above regulation(which is 280 - 300 Foot per second (FPS)) and shooting marbles, gum balls, darts and other such childish crap.

I hope you feel the wrath of the law and if you are really this **Filtered** stupid then give me a PM and ill come shoot you with gum balls rolling out the barrel @ 500 FPS...immature nubcakes

[Poppler King]

I imagine a decent paintball gun with the velocity cranked would suffice

A guy I used to hang out with a bit managed to get his paintball gun to shoot marbles, not as powerful as a gun but it would be easy to kill someone with one of those.

Sorry to semi deviate from topic on this but its thanks to people like this that those of us that actually play the sport and enjoy the sport are getting our lives made harder. Its a Paintball MARKER not a GUN but please, give governments all over the world more reason to instate laws that prohibit us from removing our markers from designated arena's and fields and from allowing us to service our own gear even though we have superior knowledge on the marker we have worked on 100's of times.

England: Nobody under the age of 18 may legally own a paintball marker
Australia: Markers MAY NOT leave the arena/field unless collected by a certefied gas technician/gunsmith

Its thanks to you nubs that run around with your velocities amped up above regulation(which is 280 - 300 Foot per second (FPS)) and shooting marbles, gum balls, darts and other such childish crap.

I hope you feel the wrath of the law and if you are really this **Filtered** stupid then give me a PM and ill come shoot you with gum balls rolling out the barrel @ 500 FPS...immature nubcakes

You seem very rude... All he did with it was shoot a piece of wood in his backgarden.
Oh and PMed.

[cloak]

[spoiler]

I imagine a decent paintball gun with the velocity cranked would suffice

A guy I used to hang out with a bit managed to get his paintball gun to shoot marbles, not as powerful as a gun but it would be easy to kill someone with one of those.

Sorry to semi deviate from topic on this but its thanks to people like this that those of us that actually play the sport and enjoy the sport are getting our lives made harder. Its a Paintball MARKER not a GUN but please, give governments all over the world more reason to instate laws that prohibit us from removing our markers from designated arena's and fields and from allowing us to service our own gear even though we have superior knowledge on the marker we have worked on 100's of times.

England: Nobody under the age of 18 may legally own a paintball marker
Australia: Markers MAY NOT leave the arena/field unless collected by a certefied gas technician/gunsmith

Its thanks to you nubs that run around with your velocities amped up above regulation(which is 280 - 300 Foot per second (FPS)) and shooting marbles, gum balls, darts and other such childish crap.

I hope you feel the wrath of the law and if you are really this **Filtered** stupid then give me a PM and ill come shoot you with gum balls rolling out the barrel @ 500 FPS...immature nubcakes

You seem very rude... All he did with it was shoot a piece of wood in his backgarden.
Oh and PMed.

Its a touchy subject and posting it on forums gives others Idea's. Many laws are being introduced regarding Paintball markers and Airsoft Rifles due to their use which is not intended by the manufacturer and is against the law to tamper with such devices. People lose eye's from stupid things like this, I myself have had my fingers broken because of some nub that was using ceramic pellets. It doesnt matter where you do it, the fact of the matter remains that it is AGAINST the law to do so, much like taking an unlicenced firearm into your backyard and squeezing a couple of rounds off, its illegal no matter where you do it.

Oh and you dont need to send me PM's containing "I'm Waiting", I have had enough schooling in my life to be able to read when someone has responded to my post[/spoiler]

[Kit-Fox]

You obviously are from England or a democrat. And obviously have never been around a really bad neighborhood where the robbers are ALL armed when they come in your house. Well as a soldier and a former Police Officer, I have WORKED those cases and 99.9% of the time the "able bodied man with a bat" was blown away by the robber. The cases where the homeowner was armed, mostly the robber was the one killed.
I have owned anything from an actual M-4 carbine to a Remington 700 Sendero chambered in .300 Winchester Magnum. (a 1000 meter weapon easy). I see no problem in owning "exotic weapons" if they are used and stored responsibly. The problem I see happens to be in the legal system. It's a proven fact that over 90% of the crimes committed with a weapon is done by a repeat offender that should never have gotten out of prison.
A street punk that will sell crack to an 8 year old kid in school doesn't give a damn for yours or anyone elses gun laws. He'll carry a gun and dare you to do anything about it. I say fix the legal system, give the death penality to idiots like the affore mentioned street punk, take the weight rooms, internet, and phones out of prisons. Make them go back to doing hard time with minimum ammenities, (enough AC and heat to keep them from dying of heatstroke in summer or freezing to death in winter), a single 8x8 cell with a cot and a toilet, and 3 meals a day. NOTHING ELSE!! No free college, NOTHING!!

Ahh yes the old 'i know better as i've been there' tactic. Well as an ex-policeman & a soldier you should be well aware of just how easy it is to take a firearm right out of someones hands and turn it against them.

Really having one just increases the chances of getting killed by the very thing you got to defend yourself with and yes its easy to take a weapon off even a fit/healthy person. Even soldiers dont hold weapons in such a manner to prevent it and niether do police officers & no this isnt something hollywood made it its actually realistically possible and is done more often than people think in a lot of cases

And as you brought it up yes I am british, I have also done marine green beret basic and know how to handle quite well thanks but i still dont support making such weapons as i mentioned previously widely available.

[Poppler King]

Cloak you are a sad individual, please keep threatening to shoot me with gumballs. Your responses are quite amusing

[cloak]

I didn't threaten you, it wasnt a threat, I just wish some people could learn the hard way what this kind of stuff does to people and to the sports which they are made to be used in. Currently in South Africa they are talking about banning all MILSIM markers due to people pulling them on other people, now I use a Tippmann A5 modded into an M107, I have spent tons of money getting my gear to a standard that suites my position (Sniper). If this law is passed I can kiss all of that goodbye. And don't tell me to join the army if I wanna pretend like im there because thats not what its about. Recently a paintball pistol was used on a paperboy standing at an intersection. The paper boy was put into ICU because he had 17 rounds of pepper pellets sprayed in his upper torso. If people just have some form of responsibilty then things like this wouldnt happen.

This discussion is for a completely different thread unless the Topic starter is fine with it being here though. If you wish to continue this conversation please feel free to do it via PM

[Colton]

@Cloak; I DID NOT say that I go around town with my goddamn paintball gun shooting up paperboys on intersections now did I? I'm the immature one because I would rather have my paintball gun waiting on the unsuspecting ****er than to go up against him unarmed, or even with a knife? Hell, you would rather me use a loaded firearm on a burglar and quite possibly kill him just to save your little paintballing investment?

Yeah I'm the moron abusing his paintball gun.

[[KMA]Avenger]

cloak is quite right, this has gone off topic and i would like it to stay on topic and all hostilities to end please
this is sposed to be a friendly and adult discussion regarding the right to keep and bear arms, for sporting, defence or ornamental use.

just so we are all clear, i do NOT think guns should be readily available to just anyone and i do believe that strict guidelines should be in place and that only people of sound mind (and have been trained in their use, keeping and storage) and clean criminal record should be able to have a firearm if they so wish.